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M17/M18 - Gort to Tuam [open to traffic]

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    #1802
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    In Google maps, here. You can see the wider stretch of tarmac for the off-ramps.


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    #1803
    notharrypotter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,112 ✭✭✭notharrypotter


    Thanks,

    Its about 15 km from the roundabout near the Galway clinic?

    If so will it actually do much for Claregalway traffic?


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    #1804
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    notharrypotter wrote: »
    If so will it actually do much for Claregalway traffic?

    No.

    The traffic from the roundabout near the clinic through Briarhill is already bumper to bumper stop/start at rush hour, if the volume doubles to carry all the Claregalway traffic, it'll just be stop/stop.


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    #1805
    tharlear
    Registered Users Posts: 130 ✭✭tharlear


    The moral of the story: this is not just about Galway.

    Correct, its about building a national motorways system rather than a dublin centric motorway system
    Build them and they will come.

    and with "them" comes jobs and economic opportunity


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    #1806
    AugustusMinimus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,541 ✭✭✭AugustusMinimus


    I've argued previously in this thread about the 3 level stack junction planned for M6 - M17 - M18 junction. In this day and age I cannot fathom why the NRA is complicating it with a 3 level stack which will cost just as much (if not more) than a partially unrolled cloverleaf.

    For instance, her is the proposed junction for M20 - M40 which would be ideal.

    aywwo9.jpg


    Just remember, the M17 has an AADT of 21,000 cars and everyone going from Tuam to Galway will have to use the roundabout.


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    #1807
    veryangryman
    Registered Users Posts: 5,531 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    AugustusMinimus wrote: »
    I've argued previously in this thread about the 3 level stack junction planned for M6 - M17 - M18 junction. In this day and age I cannot fathom why the NRA is complicating it with a 3 level stack which will cost just as much (if not more) than a partially unrolled cloverleaf.

    For instance, her is the proposed junction for M20 - M40 which would be ideal.

    aywwo9.jpg


    Just remember, the M17 has an AADT of 21,000 cars and everyone going from Tuam to Galway will have to use the roundabout.

    As will those Dublin - Tuam, Gort - Dublin and so forth.

    Probably should have given priority for those going Galway direction to encourage them to use this as they already are clocking up mileage by avoiding old N17


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    #1808
    AugustusMinimus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,541 ✭✭✭AugustusMinimus


    I don't think people realise how little traffic it will take to cause a lot of traffic at this junction at rush hour in both the mornings and evenings.

    While it won't be as bad as say the Dunkettle Interchange, it will still be bad enough to cause considerable delays. I just think its absolutely mental that in this day and age they are building such a stupid junction when the it may cost less to build a better junction and when there is no reason whatsoever to build the one they are building.


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    #1809
    jenningso
    Registered Users Posts: 131 ✭✭jenningso


    http://www.galwaybayfm.ie/component/k2/item/4851-contract-for-gort-to-tuam-motorway-to-be-signed-this-week

    I hope this is finally true, a long time coming! As I said before, nice and close to the local elections; it's no coincidence I'm sure!


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    #1810
    f2
    Registered Users Posts: 231 ✭✭f2


    No coincidence Im sure, hopefully this time!


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    #1811
    f2
    Registered Users Posts: 231 ✭✭f2


    Galway Bay FM this morning Ciaran Cannon said he expects contracts to be signed Wednesday morning at NRA hq in Dublin


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    #1812
    LFC Murphy
    Registered Users Posts: 825 ✭✭✭LFC Murphy


    Fingers crossed........


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    #1813
    glineli
    Registered Users Posts: 1,098 ✭✭✭glineli


    LFC Murphy wrote: »
    Fingers crossed........

    and everything else you can cross!!! :D


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    #1814
    Truckermal
    Registered Users Posts: 6,048 ✭✭✭Truckermal


    f2 wrote: »
    Galway Bay FM this morning Ciaran Cannon said he expects contracts to be signed Wednesday morning at NRA hq in Dublin

    Just heard the same thing from a TD so it's looking good.


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    #1815
    veryangryman
    Registered Users Posts: 5,531 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    Chris_533976 wrote: »
    My guesswork is that Galway - Limerick will be done to appease the west, much as the Western Rail Corridor. Cork to Limerick will be done around the later timescale, but as a tolled PPP. Galway - Tuam bypass will be done or there'll be a riot over here.

    Apart from that, we might see the New Ross bypass and maybe Ballincollig - Macroom.

    I think the stuff that will be culled is secondary schemes like the N24 Limerick - Waterford.

    Again, guesswork tho.


    6 years old but brilliant guesswork


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    #1816
    Chris_5339762
    Registered Users Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Not bad, eh? :D

    I'll still eat my hat if Ballincollig to Macroom gets going anytime soon... New Ross is still a possibility over the next few years. N24 still a pipe dream, sadly :(


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    #1817
    notharrypotter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,112 ✭✭✭notharrypotter


    N24 still a pipe dream, sadly

    Agreed


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    #1818
    spacetweek
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,955 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    7 years and 122 pages of updates and contracts still not signed!
    Hopefully tomorrow...


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    #1819
    serfboard
    Registered Users Posts: 4,675 ✭✭✭serfboard


    spacetweek wrote: »
    7 years and 122 pages of updates and the biggest global economic collapse since the Great Depression and contracts still not signed!
    FYP ;)


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    #1820
    Banjoxed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,844 ✭✭✭Banjoxed


    Will it be as successful as the untolled yet empty M9, or as bountiful a source of taxpayers' money to landowners like the M3?


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    #1821
    Vanquished
    Registered Users Posts: 1,018 ✭✭✭Vanquished


    Banjoxed wrote: »
    Will it be as successful as the untolled yet empty M9, or as bountiful a source of taxpayers' money to landowners like the M3?

    It will be far more useful and successful than the "western rail corridor" anyhow! :rolleyes:


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    #1822
    dloob
    Registered Users Posts: 1,831 ✭✭✭dloob


    Vanquished wrote: »
    It will be far more useful and successful than the "western rail corridor" anyhow! :rolleyes:

    Actually it will make the western rail corridor an even less attractive option by further reducing the travel time to Limerick by road.


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    #1823
    Banjoxed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,844 ✭✭✭Banjoxed


    Vanquished wrote: »
    It will be far more useful and successful than the "western rail corridor" anyhow! :rolleyes:

    Well it will certainly be useful to those who own the land ;)


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    #1824
    tonc76
    Registered Users Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭tonc76


    dloob wrote: »
    Actually it will make the western rail corridor an even less attractive option by further reducing the travel time to Limerick by road.

    I don't think that it would be possible to make the WRC less attractive :pac:


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    #1825
    Vanquished
    Registered Users Posts: 1,018 ✭✭✭Vanquished


    Banjoxed wrote: »
    Well it will certainly be useful to those who own the land ;)

    Wow you might be on to something there!

    In actual fact I think that's the only reason the road is being built!


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    #1826
    serfboard
    Registered Users Posts: 4,675 ✭✭✭serfboard


    Vanquished wrote: »
    It will be far more useful and successful than the "western rail corridor" anyhow! :rolleyes:
    At the moment, for those using public transport between Galway and Limerick, we have a bus that takes 1:20 versus a train that takes two hours (when it's running and not replaced by a replacement bus service because the line is flooded).

    When the M18 is finished, I'd expect at least 10 minutes to be knocked off the bus journey - making the train journey nearly twice as long as the bus journey.

    And still puzzling some people as to why the line is not successful!


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    #1827
    Banjoxed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,844 ✭✭✭Banjoxed


    serfboard wrote: »
    At the moment, for those using public transport between Galway and Limerick, we have a bus that takes 1:20 versus a train that takes two hours (when it's running and not replaced by a replacement bus service because the line is flooded).

    When the M18 is finished, I'd expect at least 10 minutes to be knocked off the bus journey - making the train journey nearly twice as long as the bus journey.

    And still puzzling some people as to why the line is not successful!

    I can just imagine the sqeeling online on Irish boards if there was ever any proposal to invest enough money in the railway network to do what railways do best- faster and more comfortable journeys. BTW not all buses do the LK to GY trip in 1:20 and even those timetabled to do so, not all do it in that time.


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    #1828
    Bards
    Registered Users Posts: 2,689 ✭✭✭Bards


    Banjoxed wrote: »
    Will it be as successful as the untolled yet empty M9, or as bountiful a source of taxpayers' money to landowners like the M3?

    Check out the latest AADT figures before quoting stupid coments like that and compare to mid section of M8 more or less on a par.

    M9 is far from empty


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    #1829
    Banjoxed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,844 ✭✭✭Banjoxed


    Bards wrote: »
    Check out the latest AADT figures before quoting stupid coments like that and compare to mid section of M8 more or less on a par.

    M9 is far from empty

    Thanks for the heads up. Interesting reading, and our new motorway network is certainly not getting so much wear that the shine is wearing off it.

    I picked Friday 17th January 2014 as the sample date.

    M18 at Ennis North, daily volume 11,797 vehicles.

    Link: https://www.nratrafficdata.ie/c2/tfmonthreport.asp?sgid=ZvyVmXU8jBt9PJE$c7UXt6&spid=NRA_000000020181&reportdate=2014-01-01%2000:00:00&enddate=2014-01-01%2000:00:00

    This compares to the M1 between J2 Airport and J3, Swords where the daily volume is 94,476 vehicles.

    Link: https://www.nratrafficdata.ie/c2/tfmonthreport.asp?sgid=ZvyVmXU8jBt9PJE$c7UXt6&spid=NRA_000000020011&reportdate=2014-01-01%2000:00:00&enddate=2014-01-01%2000:00:00

    As an aside, the M9 at Mullinavat had a vehicle count of 9,479. I'll revise my estimate of empty to half-empty.


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    #1830
    f2
    Registered Users Posts: 231 ✭✭f2


    No contract signing today early next week reason scheduling difficulties


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    #1831
    sonnyblack
    Registered Users Posts: 231 ✭✭sonnyblack


    f2 wrote: »
    No contract signing today early next week reason scheduling difficulties

    FFS


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