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Dental Crowns

  • 12-12-2014 3:01pm
    #1
    marty66
    Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭marty66


    Been advised I need 2 x crowns and was quoted between €600-€800 per crown in Galway. I'm willing to travel anywhere North or South, Uk and if price is right would consider Poland. Obviously local would be best for follow up treatment. Any advice fellow Boarders?


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  • #2
    Oral Surgeon
    Registered Users Posts: 3,240 ✭✭✭Oral Surgeon


    marty66 wrote: »
    Been advised I need 2 x crowns and was quoted between €600-€800 per crown in Galway. I'm willing to travel anywhere North or South, Uk and if price is right would consider Poland. Obviously local would be best for follow up treatment. Any advice fellow Boarders?


    Don't go cheap, you'd be better off with the big fillings that you have than cheap crowns….


  • #3
    tooth_doc
    Registered Users Posts: 130 ✭✭tooth_doc


    Don't play with your health , just had a patient who had her work done in Hungary and it is all breaking apart less than 2 yrs from the date and she has no come back with the chaps who did it , and sorry to say not the first one that have seen recently , by all means go for a cheap holiday or buy some cheap electronics abroad . Go local for your health needs , things can go wrong anywhere but if something happens here you have a safety net , upto you
    marty66 wrote: »
    Been advised I need 2 x crowns and was quoted between €600-€800 per crown in Galway. I'm willing to travel anywhere North or South, Uk and if price is right would consider Poland. Obviously local would be best for follow up treatment. Any advice fellow Boarders?


  • #4
    leinsterdude
    Registered Users Posts: 523 ✭✭✭leinsterdude


    any suggestions on where to look for a keen price in Ireland though ?


  • #5
    Oryx
    Subscribers Posts: 19,425 ✭✭✭✭Oryx


    leinsterdude wrote: »
    any suggestions on where to look for a keen price in Ireland though ?

    Go to your own dentist and haggle.


  • #6
    Kora Obedient Bagpipes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,538 ✭✭✭ Kora Obedient Bagpipes


    leinsterdude wrote: »
    any suggestions on where to look for a keen price in Ireland though ?

    Depends on what level your aiming at. If your looking for top quality then maybe 1200 euro per crown is good value, if your looking at moderate quality then maybe 700 per crown is good value. If you looking at low price you will find places at 300 per unit. Dont be under any illusion that a 300 euro crown is the same as a 1200 euro crown.

    Price is what you pay, value is what you get. You will look at this purchase in the mirror every day hopefully for the next 10-20 years.


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  • #7
    Squiggle
    Registered Users Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭Squiggle


    Would a €700 crown fitted by a prosthodontist give a better result than a €1200 crown fitted by a regular dentist?


  • #8
    Kora Obedient Bagpipes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,538 ✭✭✭ Kora Obedient Bagpipes


    Squiggle wrote: »
    Would a €700 crown fitted by a prosthodontist give a better result than a €1200 crown fitted by a regular dentist?

    A bad crown is a bad crown regardless of who fits it, what it costs or where its made. A good crown the same. The average prosthodontist will fit a better crown than the average general dentist, they will cost more on average also

    Again look for photographs. A good dentist will photograph their cases and have examples a plenty to show you. Not photos from a stock book, but examples of their own work.

    I have found that the best work is generally not done by the lowest bidder, or the dentist with the biggest marketing or adwords budget.

    Davo if you can fit a Andreas Saltzer crown for €700 your going out of business quick, unless your fitting his economy range, thats not made by him and are deeply unimpressive, my last crown from him cost €583.15 so your really only going to find that quality in the higher price brackets. In crown and bridge the lab fee throws your otherwise valid point. If I charge 400 euro in professional fees for my time to make the crown and then send it to a lab that charges me 100euro, I can charge 500 euro per crown. If I take the same 400 euro fee but send it to a lab charging 500 euro then I charge 900 euro per crown. The patient gets a much better crown but I am appearing more expensive despite making the same fee as the cheaper dentist. Now the real issue comes when somebody charges 900 euro and then fits the 100 euro crown, thats bad value. Good dentist will not fit inferior crowns, and good dentists will have a high standard of what they consider acceptable.


  • #9
    davo10
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,926 ✭✭✭davo10


    Agree completely with above post, look for proof of previous good quality of work. Ask to be shown examples of treatments carried out similar to what you require, a single front crown is far more difficult to match to adjacent natural teeth than restoring 6 upper front teeth where crowns can be made to match each other.


  • #10
    davo10
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,926 ✭✭✭davo10


    Kora Obedient Bagpipes wrote: »
    A bad crown is a bad crown regardless of who fits it, what it costs or where its made. A good crown the same. The average prosthodontist will fit a better crown than the average general dentist, they will cost more on average also

    Again look for photographs. A good dentist will photograph their cases and have examples a plenty to show you. Not photos from a stock book, but examples of their own work.

    I have found that the best work is generally not done by the lowest bidder, or the dentist with the biggest marketing or adwords budget.

    Davo if you can fit a Andreas Saltzer crown for €700 your going out of business quick, unless your fitting his economy range, thats not made by him and are deeply unimpressive, my last crown from him cost €583.15 so your really only going to find that quality in the higher price brackets. In crown and bridge the lab fee throws your otherwise valid point. If I charge 400 euro in professional fees for my time to make the crown and then send it to a lab that charges me 100euro, I can charge 500 euro per crown. If I take the same 400 euro fee but send it to a lab charging 500 euro then I charge 900 euro per crown. The patient gets a much better crown but I am appearing more expensive despite making the same fee as the cheaper dentist. Now the real issue comes when somebody charges 900 euro and then fits the 100 euro crown, thats bad value. Good dentist will not fit inferior crowns, and good dentists will have a high standard of what they consider acceptable.

    I appreciate your point Fitz, the €700 was only used as a guide as it was referenced before, when using that lab, it does come with a premium price but price alone is not a guarantee of quality, the quality of the crown itself is. As you said, a bad crown is a bad crown, the issue arises when someone pays a premium expecting a good crown but gets a bad one. We both agree that looking for examples of previous good work is the best way to go.


  • #11
    Kora Obedient Bagpipes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,538 ✭✭✭ Kora Obedient Bagpipes


    davo10 wrote: »
    I appreciate your point Fitz, the €700 was only used as a guide as it was referenced before, when using that lab, it does come with a premium price but price alone is not a guarantee of quality, the quality of the crown itself is. As you said, a bad crown is a bad crown, the issue arises when someone pays a premium expecting a good crown but gets a bad one. We both agree that looking for examples of previous good work is the best way to go.

    There you go OP. Price is one factor but better rely on
    1. Reputation.
    2. Portfolio (examples of work)
    3. Recommendation (from patients or other dentists if referral, however beware of people who recommend based solely on cheapness)
    4. Qualification - some dentist will have extra qualifications in crowns and bridge or others areas of dentistry.

    If the dentist can hit a few of these criteria and falling into your price bracket then your onto a winner.


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  • #12
    tricky D
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,700 ✭✭✭tricky D


    Kora Obedient Bagpipes wrote: »
    Depends on what level your aiming at. If your looking for top quality then maybe 1200 euro per crown is good value, if your looking at moderate quality then maybe 700 per crown is good value. If you looking at low price you will find places at 300 per unit. Dont be under any illusion that a 300 euro crown is the same as a 1200 euro crown.

    Price is what you pay, value is what you get. You will look at this purchase in the mirror every day hopefully for the next 10-20 years.

    Add longevity to the value bit, which points to cheap crowns being a false economy in the longer run.


  • #13
    leinsterdude
    Registered Users Posts: 523 ✭✭✭leinsterdude


    Ok so can anyone advise a good place to go and get a quality job done ?


  • #14
    EoghanIRL
    Registered Users Posts: 4,080 ✭✭✭EoghanIRL


    tricky D wrote: »
    Add longevity to the value bit, which points to cheap crowns being a false economy in the longer run.

    A good crown might last twice as long but be twice as expensive . Whereas a poor crown might only last half as long but cost half as much . If you can't afford the more expensive crown at the start then you might just buy two poor crowns over the same time period .

    Maybe a false economy but If you can't afford the more expensive crown then what. All comes down to what you can afford really . If everyone had enough money for expensive crowns then there would be no need for cheap crowns.


  • #15
    tricky D
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,700 ✭✭✭tricky D


    Agreed on the 2nd para, but the 1st has many mights and I can only speak from my own experience which that is mine have lasted disproportionally longer, much longer and that's also despite grinding.


  • #16
    leinsterdude
    Registered Users Posts: 523 ✭✭✭leinsterdude


    anyone tell me a good place ? in Dublin/Kildare areas ?


  • #17
    marty66
    Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭marty66


    leinsterdude wrote: »
    anyone tell me a good place ? in Dublin/Kildare areas ?

    ** Mod edit no names please, recommendations by PM only thanks ***


  • #18
    gtansey44
    Registered Users Posts: 81 ✭✭gtansey44


    Due to a mix of sporting trauma (no gum shield) and grinding almost all of my teeth are chipped are cracked in some way.

    I am wondering due to the relatively healthy nature of most of my teeth apart from the cracks in the enamel etc. could I opt for cosmetic crowns and if it was possible to go for fused crowns instead of singular crowns on the molars and pre molars?

    Looking to get this done after Christmas


  • #19
    Kora Obedient Bagpipes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,538 ✭✭✭ Kora Obedient Bagpipes


    gtansey44 wrote: »
    Due to a mix of sporting trauma (no gum shield) and grinding almost all of my teeth are chipped are cracked in some way.

    I am wondering due to the relatively healthy nature of most of my teeth apart from the cracks in the enamel etc. could I opt for cosmetic crowns and if it was possible to go for fused crowns instead of singular crowns on the molars and pre molars?

    Looking to get this done after Christmas

    The choice of crown material would be a specific clinical decision for you situation. Anything is possible. Maybe even some good quality white composite bonding might do the trick.


  • #20
    gtansey44
    Registered Users Posts: 81 ✭✭gtansey44


    Kora Obedient Bagpipes wrote: »
    The choice of crown material would be a specific clinical decision for you situation. Anything is possible. Maybe even some good quality white composite bonding might do the trick.

    Thanks for the reply. I guess I was wondering if there were any advantages to going for fused crowns over individual ones..? Also I have always wanted to fix a slight misalignment in my bottom front teeth so I think if I were to go for crowns, I would want to get a full mouth restoration.

    I know the question cannot be answered with any certainty but would a full set of crowns cost in the region of €20,000 without any other treatments necessary?


  • #21
    Kora Obedient Bagpipes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,538 ✭✭✭ Kora Obedient Bagpipes


    gtansey44 wrote: »
    Thanks for the reply. I guess I was wondering if there were any advantages to going for fused crowns over individual ones..? Also I have always wanted to fix a slight misalignment in my bottom front teeth so I think if I were to go for crowns, I would want to get a full mouth restoration.

    I know the question cannot be answered with any certainty but would a full set of crowns cost in the region of €20,000 without any other treatments necessary?

    Fused crowns are not joined together, it refers to the way the white ceramic is fused to the metal substructure. Crowns joined together are called splinted and are to be avoided at all costs except where a tooth is missing (bridge). Self diagnosing a full mouth of crowns is a drastic step, You have not described the type of destruction that would require work on that scale. Certainly 20k is a handsome budget and there is little you could not get for it. You need to find a dentist that can provide you the result you are after with as little intervention as possible. This usually involves a combination of treatments, its slower but leaves you with a much healthier and better looking mouth.


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  • #22
    gtansey44
    Registered Users Posts: 81 ✭✭gtansey44


    Kora Obedient Bagpipes wrote: »
    Fused crowns are not joined together, it refers to the way the white ceramic is fused to the metal substructure. Crowns joined together are called splinted and are to be avoided at all costs except where a tooth is missing (bridge). Self diagnosing a full mouth of crowns is a drastic step, You have not described the type of destruction that would require work on that scale. Certainly 20k is a handsome budget and there is little you could not get for it. You need to find a dentist that can provide you the result you are after with as little intervention as possible. This usually involves a combination of treatments, its slower but leaves you with a much healthier and better looking mouth.

    Much appreciated,

    Thank you


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