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Better equipment for the Gardai
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I went to the Garda College Open Day yesterday, and this is what they had on display:
It looked really good, check out cool light on the roof. It was all leather inside too. Which I thought was kind of weird extra to be spending money on in the police car.
It has a dublin reg, but I didn't see it here before.0 -
I went to the Garda College Open Day yesterday, and this is what they had on display:
It looked really good, check out cool light on the roof. It was all leather inside too. Which I thought was kind of weird extra to be spending money on in the police car.
It has a dublin reg, but I didn't see it here before.
all garda vehicles have garda regs as far as i know
oh and ya cool car0 -
I went to the Garda College Open Day yesterday, and this is what they had on display:
It looked really good, check out cool light on the roof. It was all leather inside too. Which I thought was kind of weird extra to be spending money on in the police car.
It has a dublin reg, but I didn't see it here before.
Looks like a demonstrator. Volvo lend it to police forces hoping theyll buy it.
Look close, generic battenburg, minimal garda markings, no traffic corps labeling, no crest, no garda confidential number, or identification on the roof etc
This is quite common to see in the uk, not seen it here but thats what i say it is0 -
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What he means is that a mondeo handles better than a focus at high speeds, therefore safer at those speeds when the need arises.
Wishlist
Cars
Cars need to be made standard - forget the competition laws as its down to safety. Standardise to Mondeo/Volvo S40/Vectra 1.8litre minimum. Forget smaller cars as they are just not safe or capable for the job. They need to be specially fitted with:
> Durable and simple siren and light control (seriously - some of the panels are rediculous! The new ones are fairly good but some old ones are still around)
> Built in Radio Panel (not attached somewhere down by your leg or under the handbreak!)
> Sufficient Emergency Lighting (extra lights on the front grille, front and rear quarter panels - you can't have too many lights for some people!)
> Onboard Computer for doing person (including photo's) and registration checks (this would increase productivity for patrols and reduce workload and dependency on the station or controller and also reduce radio chatter)
> Mobile Phone (Extremely important for communications - in fact invaluable - have cradle included instead of signing phones out on each shift and having the phones loose in the car and then loosing them)
> Soil proof rear seat for prisoners (like what the cops in the US have and put a cage to seperate the prisoner from front passengers (this would also protect gardai from malicious claims and will alllow violent prisoners to calm down while in transit to garda stations)
> On Board camera front and rear to protect Gardai from bull**** complaints
> Introduce driving courses while on training on phase 3. Whats the problem with introducing this? Its such a big problem - everyone should be able to drive and use a pushbike.
Uniform
Get Rid of the Shirts, ties, trousers and maybe change them for polo shirts or polo necks and combat trousers. Running after scum can really chafe!
Collar burn on the neck, split trousers, ripped shirts and ties torm off! Its a bit impractical.
Organisation
> Fair and transparent promotion and interview proceedures. Nepotism is still very much alive in the organisation. In my opinion and it is probably shared, I have seen many excellent Gardai get disillusioned when an Officers son/daughter (who may or may not be better suited) is chosen in their place.
> Officers who aren't afraid to make decisions. What a breath of fresh air it is to meet a kick ass Sergeant, Inspector or Superintendent who is not afraid to get stuck in with the lads.
> Schduled fitness tests. As the job is extremely demanding, this should be introduced. Allowances should be introduced as an incentive.
Technology
> Email please, please, please. Eliminate paper!
> Make PULSE Web Based - its so slow as it has to load onto the pc each time from the central location.
> Individually issued radios to members (sometimes been forced to go without! Imagine getting into a hairy situation in that case)
> Every prisoner gets photographed and fingerprinted. It would help in solving burglaries/ stolen cars/ criminal damage etc. these can then be fed directly into a database from the station! The current system is a nighmare where the above need to be submitted seperately to HQ
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Buildings/Stations
Move away from the traditional station. Office buildings are far more suited. Most stations are overcapacity. No Guard has their own desk. Each Officer should have their own desk and pc to work from.
Weapons
Not in favour of firearms, however, the asp and spray seem to work very well. Its a really big deal when a baton is used, so i think we're still a long way away from guns - thank the gods!
Criticisms Welcome!
nice wish list... you'd have a better chance giving it to santa next December. The car issue is something that definitely has to be looked at though. it's a joke when you end up doing calls in the compol fiesta cos the station car is off the road.... never mind a ford focus... the safety issue of bigger cars is not just down to being faster. its to do with better suspension, handling, in-car safety systems etc etc.0 -
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German motorway police have few porsches at their disposal. That would be something.
So what kind of cars would you try?
We operated a Honda Accord Type S demonstrator for a while, with basic police markings, non-force specific. Very nice it was too. We also ran a Vauxhall Astra estate for a while that the Transport Police have now adopted.
At present the Commish is looking at getting rid of the Vectras in favour of BMWs for all boroughs as area cars. On my old ground we used Vectras and they were rubbish. I prefer the BMs, sturdier and braking distance is far less than that of the Vectra. All round handling is better too.
The Flying Squad (Serious Crime Armed Detectives aka The Sweeney) have even nicer motors to play around with....Saabs, Audis, Mercs.....and so on, but as tactical firearms officers with a national remit they have a requirement for very high performance motors.
Speaking of demo cars, what about this for a pursuit vehicle?
Met Traffic Demonstrator0 -
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I dont think its as bad as that story suggests. Yes some have guns, some wear vests and some have serious machines under their asses but not the majority.
As stated, papers run what will sell said paper. Afterall, today the paper will say the Gardai need more equipment, they are great guys doing their best and the government and courts need to back them up. Next week they will be moaning about tax payers money being wasted, lazy fat Gardai being corrupt and how we need accountability and more safe guards to keep an eye on them because all they do is beat people up.
Want a prime example? Compare May day to Love Ulster.
All I know is management couldnt give a **** what beat men say or what independent experts say. If they did we would already have spray and cages in cars instead of yet another working party, of office staff who havent been on the beat since they graduated, looking into it. Remember, it was a working party that decided the new uniform. The one thats had to be replaced twice now with better versions and still fails basic safety standards. The same uniform that was amended to suit the Minister for justice who will never ever have to wear or work in it.
I agree with Metman, the courts are the biggest problem. Not just in sentencing which is a joke: "You have 200 convictions but I believe that you really are sorry this time/ getting treatment / job and will therefore give you (another) suspended sentence (which will not be enacted no matter what) now off you go and dont be bold (again)". And thats from the judges that dont just blatantly hate the Gardai. ONce a judge decided that a flat complex grounds are Proivate property and because the Garda didnt have an arrest warrant the scumbag was entitled to kick the crap out of him in the name of self defence. Obviously scumbags being allowed use far more aggressive 'self defence' than normal people.
Oh and Met, your arm would fall off writing reports if you crashed that! 0 -
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ForegoneReality wrote: »I know there were issues with the new uniform but (aside from the hi-vis and boots)most members are yet to receive any re-issue of the original which was released in July 05.
Hell; many patrol jackets are washed to the extent that the badge is faded on the front/back.
What amendments were required by the Minister..? If it's making the above jackets incompatible with the anti-stab vests and also provide the 'jolly pot belly' look then I will not be impressed.
High vis jackets are on the 3rd edition. I know most havent gotten the 3rd edition which is more akin to traffic but they are on the way.
Epulettes which the buttons fell off, trousers which the arse came out of after 1 wash. Ties that bobbled. You didnt get replacements for them? Ok so not everything was replaced but they should be. Fleeces which the epulette holders rip off and are they meant to be that short? Patrol jackets 'Garda' patches lose their reflectiveness if washed but yes, havent been replaced.
Stab vests must be worn under jackets because the minister thought they were too aggressive. Ties must still be worn because the minister thought no ties were unprofessional and combat trousers were out because of McDowells famous 'robocop' statement. Baseball caps were kicked to touch but Im not sure I can completely blame McD for that, management had an input into that one.
Also, wont say why online but look at the high vis jacket warning on the label, if thats not against health and safety I dont know what is!
Jolly pot belly, must remember that one
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Karlitosway1978 wrote: »Oh and Met, your arm would fall off writing reports if you crashed that!
:eek: I'd be a major shareholder in Bic Pens by the time I was finished!0 -
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