Which way will you vote (if at all)

cglanton123 wrote: »

I never really liked Bertie But that is a whole new THREAD so I'll stop now!! Yes, but HE WAS FF until unaccountable reasons!! if we started a thread on polititions and taoisigh we would get ALOT!!!

Yep. And none of it would be relevant to the topic at hand.

cglanton123 wrote: »

What dumbass would vote on the treaty when we could kick FF ass around the floor for a bit? Surely personal gratification is more important than proper governing? :rolleyes:

ShooterSF wrote: »

I think the boards poll may be slightly flawed now as it had an 80 % turnout. Guess it's down to which sides voters decided there was something better on tv. If nothing else it's a sad day when only 40 ish % turned out even if it was expected

It's irritating when you see how much effort both sides put in discussing the issue here, that most of the rest of the country didn't give a monkey's

Irish and Proud wrote: »

Now, I don't know if the post is entirely correct, but at least it's a balanced overview of what's happening in relation to the Lisbon Referendum. There is a certain amout of drama and scare mongering, but I when I hear people at work talking about Lisbon, those on the No side tend to be well informed and reasoned, while a lot of those on the Yes side are not sure what they are voting on. They go with the view that Europe has been good for Ireland, so a vote for Europe is automatically is Ireland's best interests.

From the very start, I was very suspicious about the way in which our politicians were brow beating us into a Yes vote for Lisbon. To me, this flouts the priciples of our democracy. I wondered how could I trust these people and what they were telling me.

Also, why do EU negotiations take place behind closed doors - why can't the EU citizens see how their representatives perform - surely this would make bullying on the part of the bigger states a lot more difficult. Now, I was told that Lisbon will do away with negotiations behind closed doors, but the fact remains that Lisbon itself was negotiated behind closed doors. Now, what I think should happen is that a new EU constitution should be negotiated from scratch and in full view of the public. Such a constitution would need to include complete transparency, accountability and democracy. That is where I stand in relation to the EU.

Regards!

In two seperate posts you've said things like "I can only imagine what the EU Lisbon Treaty looks like" and "I don't know if the post is entirely correct". In other words you haven't a clue about the issues. If you spent some time reading here you would see that many Yes supporters did argue their case very well, and in fact while there were No voters who had genuine issues, most No voters were like yourself. They just didn't know the facts.

Its a sad day for democracy when people like yourself, who are admittedly ignorant of the issues at hand, are not just voting but being abusive to people who have bothered honouring their responsibilities to democracy. Namely understanding the issue before voting.

Regardless of the result today I think this entire referendum has been nothing short of a democratic tragedy. Two campaigns with no substance and a huge amount of the electorate ignorant to the issues even though the info was available for them to familiarise themselves with it. And over the last few years we've seen people in Iraq braving death to vote and politicians braving death in places like Pakistan and Zimbabwe to bring true democracy to their people. Is this what these people are ultimately dying for? Is this what the boys from 1916 and the War of Independance fought and died for?

Agent Smith wrote: »

What what?

In the butt....

I&P,

This article says different....

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mhgbojidojgb/

Irish and Proud wrote: »

Let's build a better Europe together!

You, along with absolutely everyone who's voted No, have failed to come out with a clear consensus on how we should go about doing that.

http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2008/0613/breaking60.htm

Possibly more devastated than anyone elese by the emerging No vote... what a hoot !

There was a time when I believed everything my parents told me , life was easier then .

I was obviously quiet naive for a long time as I believed the main broadsheets when they reported on all things political or worldly so too the TV news programs . I never once questioned their reporting , only the quotes given to them . Then one day while imprisoned on a journey in my car I heard a speech made by a certain person over the radio . Twenty minutes later the News came on and they reported what had been said ... and right there and then I was hit by a bolt of lightning . I had heard the speech and it was not the same as what was reported , a variation of it yes , but not the same and parts of it out of context . It actually made me very angry .The news for the rest of the week followed a similar vein .


Worse that that it made my life very hard because I lost , at a late age I might add , a certain innocence and at that time did not see the massive impact it would have later on in almost everything in my life .

So , on to the vote . I read the booklets , the leaflets , heard the interviews , read the web , tried to follow the arguments and tried to get an understanding for what it was all about . My problem , I didn't believe any sides argument and had developed so much mistrust that I ended up not even voting ..

In this age of Information , where anyone can post an opinion and state it as fact we are left to make up our own minds , easy enough for a lot of things , but when it comes to things as complex as the Lisbon Treaty ( which I heard a lot of experts struggle over ) it really becomes a problem .

I wonder how many others were effected in this way .


This is a post for the Lisbon Treaty but I also think I might post it as a topic of conversation in another section where the whole mistrust aspect could be discussed ... not really sure where it would suit though .

Yeah 45.75% -v- 54.25%

Amazingly similar for once.

Good sample too. This forum thing might work out as an indicator in future, after all.

Just need to have fair/logical questions.

just wondering if this tread was sent to the politican's they could see why we voted no and do somehing about it, seeing as they are stumped it might help.
i personally didnt like the fact of giving power to the eu government without voting them in (true or untrue i don't know anymore i tried to inform myself but nothing was clear) and then ther's the threat's from europe this is supposed to be a democracy:mad:,that was the straw that broke the camel's back it swayed me to the no side i was 50/50 before i read that.

anywho that's just my two cent's

oh ya i'm very much in favour of europe

Vote YES next time or else