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National ID card for Ireland?

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    #32
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    There's already fuken kuntz foreign gangs working away at getting your laser details (easily). A bluetooth rifle and a linux laptop will steal whatever you'd like from your phone.

    An ID card is essentiallly the keys to your whole life, hanging around for all to access. You'd want to be some fuhken moron........


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    #33
    Coriolanus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,879 ✭✭✭Coriolanus


    I think the proliferation of identity and card theft has shown the perils of some types of information technology.
    Before, when you had to be known to people, to get anything donee ie: bank manager was your neighbour, doctor was your cousin from a town over etc, fraud was less prevalent.

    So we need to either go back to that, or swing to the opposite extreme... Chips in everyones wrists and biometric testing at every atm, till, hospital and welfare centre in the country. :pac:


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    #34
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users Posts: 33,016 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    mikom wrote: »
    Schengen, it's an area in Kneurgen, near the Joergen Fjords.
    That's in the Klargen Province, near the Biburgen River.

    EAGLE RIVER???!

    Sitec wrote: »
    What the fcuk is a Schengen?

    Sound like a lidl beer.

    Nice to know you've researched the topic. Schengen is a continental european agreement that allows citizens to travel from country to country without a passport. It is, however, in Luxembourg, so you can rule out any fjord associations :)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Agreement

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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    #35
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,021 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    squod wrote: »
    There's already fuken kuntz foreign gangs working away at........

    Im sure theres domestic ones too


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    #36
    sdanseo
    Registered Users Posts: 9,233 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    So why do you think you need yet another ?

    I don't - but not everyone has a driving licence or student card. My point was that it is utterly zero inconvenience to me, and I;d say most people, to carry it.

    People seem to object to this based purely on "big brother's watching you" drivel. In reality, it won't affect you at all unless you have something to hide when stopped in the street.

    Another advantage to these would be as an age card - if it were mandatory it would likely be free and save you the €10 or €20 or whatever getting an age card.


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    #37
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    sdonn wrote: »
    I don't - but not everyone has a driving licence or student card. My point was that it is utterly zero inconvenience to me, and I;d say most people, to carry it.

    Except when your wallet is stolen or lost............. then it's just another in a long line of cards you have to replace.


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    #38
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,021 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    sdonn wrote: »
    In reality, it won't affect you at all unless you have something to hide .

    Oh no not this again :rolleyes:
    sdonn wrote: »
    if it were mandatory it would likely be free and save you the €10 or €20 or whatever getting an age card.

    Are you sure ?

    The proposed scrapped UK one was to have cost £30 (lowest estimate) In Poland there is a charge for issuing, renewing and even updating* their national ID cards. Even in the unlikely event that there were to be no charge for any that might be issued in Ireland the scheme will cost (a lot of) money to set up and run and unless the Government have some kind of secret magic money tree that they can fund it from..............

    * Supposed to be done everytime one moves house etc


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    #39
    donkey balls
    Registered Users Posts: 3,426 ✭✭✭donkey balls


    Ikky Poo2 wrote: »
    If said ID card didn't cost 85€ and is NOT cumpolsory, then yes, I like the idea.

    most bus/truck drivers since 2006 have had to use a drivers digi card issued by the RSA for 50e,its a duplicate of your drivers licence(credit card size)and these are printed in the UK as we dont have a facilty here in Ireland to produce them.


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    #40
    bob50
    Registered Users Posts: 535 ✭✭✭bob50


    Stinicker wrote: »
    A national ID card programme could be implemented in a far better way than the UK went about it, they were to create a massive database of personal information and monitor everything, in the process creating massive expenditure and jobs for the public sector. Labour's political ideaology of statist socialism derailed a good plan by making it so bloated and full of H.S.E style "jobs for the boys" that it was the first thing Cameron snipped when he got in. Plus there were privacy concerns due to the way they implemented it. By rolling out our ID card as a travel document rather than a big brother survlliance database then I can imagine the government even making a bit of money out of it.


    Bringing in ID cards would be just the thin end of the wedge

    on this issue best to follow Camerons plan to scrap them too much big brother for my liking


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    #41
    Lentil
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10 ✭Lentil


    Tattooed barcode IDs on the back of the head FTW


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    #42
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,021 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    You mean like this


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    #43
    Lentil
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10 ✭Lentil


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    You mean like this

    I was kinda aiming for a Fortress w/ Christopher Lambert type vibe. Apologies if I overshot the mark.


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    #44
    Coriolanus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,879 ✭✭✭Coriolanus


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    You mean like this
    Don't be silly, that wouldn't scan. :rolleyes:

    Something sexy like this would be preferable.

    http://archvillain.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/jennifer_government.jpg


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    #45
    DazMarz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,493 ✭✭✭DazMarz


    Might do no harm, if it had practical uses. If it was just something equally as useless as that bloody Garda I.D. card, then no.


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    #46
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Lentil wrote: »
    Tattooed barcode IDs on the back of the head FTW
    They have already started to barcode horses in some country, we could be next. :eek:


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    #47
    sdanseo
    Registered Users Posts: 9,233 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    I just dont understand the big brother shíte.

    What are the government going to do? Hunt you down and torture you for slagging biffo? FFS grow up. There are no big conspiracies and certainly not in Ireland - all we have is a pile of corrupt buffoons. They couldn't organise espionage if their lives depended on it!

    Freedom is once thing - but objecting to a piece of platic that you have to carry is petty, i think.


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    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    sdonn wrote: »
    I just dont understand the big brother shíte.

    What are the government going to do? Hunt you down and torture you for slagging biffo? FFS grow up. There are no big conspiracies and certainly not in Ireland - all we have is a pile of corrupt buffoons. They couldn't organise espionage if their lives depended on it!

    Freedom is once thing - but objecting to a piece of platic that you have to carry is petty, i think.

    Scenario:

    Paul Chambers joked on Twitter that he was going to blow up Robinhood Airport if he didn't make his flight at the end of the week.

    A week later doors were kicked in, his PC's phones confiscated in a police "anti terrorist" raid. He was arrested and convicted and fined £1000 with his name on record.

    This guy will be questioned and possibly banned from entering the US and other countries because of his criminal conviction.

    Every time the authorities electronically scans his ID card this dirty streak will appear.


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    #49
    Lentil
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10 ✭Lentil


    sdonn wrote: »
    I just dont understand the big brother shíte.

    What are the government going to do? Hunt you down and torture you for slagging biffo? FFS grow up. There are no big conspiracies and certainly not in Ireland - all we have is a pile of corrupt buffoons. They couldn't organise espionage if their lives depended on it!

    Freedom is once thing - but objecting to a piece of platic that you have to carry is petty, i think.

    I jest about the Orwellian stuff. Personally I wouldn't have a major problem with it. The reservations I would have would be the (a) cost at a time when we can't really afford such schemes and (b) the fact that the govt would probably make a dogs dinner out of it, a la Electronic Voting.


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    #50
    Lentil
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10 ✭Lentil


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Scenario:

    Paul Chambers joked on Twitter that he was going to blow up Robinhood Airport if he didn't make his flight at the end of the week.

    A week later doors were kicked in, his PC's phones confiscated in a police raid. He was arrested and convicted and fined £1000 with his name on record.

    This guy will be questioned and possibly banned from entering the US and other countries because of his criminal conviction.

    Every time a cop electronically scans his ID card this dirty streak on his record will show up.

    Point taken, but imo that is more an indictment of the surveillance / PC-mad culture behind the enforcement rather than the notion of another ID-card scheme.


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    #51
    Stinicker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,102 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Scenario:

    Paul Chambers joked on Twitter that he was going to blow up Robinhood Airport if he didn't make his flight at the end of the week.

    A week later doors were kicked in, his PC's phones confiscated in a police "anti terrorist" raid. He was arrested and convicted and fined £1000 with his name on record.

    This guy will be questioned and possibly banned from entering the US and other countries because of his criminal conviction.

    Every time the authorities electronically scans his ID card this dirty streak will appear.

    Serves him right really for being such an idiot to post such a thing. As a British citizen he probably doesn't have an ID card so won't worry him. However he was a child molester or pedophile wouldn't having this on his ID card be a good thing to alert authorities to his presence. Anyway this is going off topic from my original suggestion which is to introduce a National ID card to make travel easier and cut out some of the paperwork and the bureaucracy that goes with losing a passport.


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    #52
    oppenheimer1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,084 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Scenario:

    Paul Chambers joked on Twitter that he was going to blow up Robinhood Airport if he didn't make his flight at the end of the week.

    A week later doors were kicked in, his PC's phones confiscated in a police "anti terrorist" raid. He was arrested and convicted and fined £1000 with his name on record.

    This guy will be questioned and possibly banned from entering the US and other countries because of his criminal conviction.

    Every time the authorities electronically scans his ID card this dirty streak will appear.

    How is this relevant? ID cards or not its still a conviction on his permanent record.


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    #53
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    How is this relevant? ID cards or not its still a conviction on his permanent record.
    Difference with the next generation ID cards your record is exposed every time your card is swiped.

    Current ID cards / passports in Ireland ATM you just show it to the authorities when leaving or entering the country. It is not scanned, Once scanning comes into effect every minute violation with the law will show up on a computer screen along with your medical history, social welfare status etc. You will be pulled aside and hassled with the slightest discrepancy.

    Chambers was an idiot, he will pay for this when he eventualy gets his next generation ID card. (Which will proibably come as some trojan such as a driving license or social welfare card since he lost his job over his fcuk up)


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    Mike 1972
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    Nevore wrote: »
    Don't be silly, that wouldn't scan. :rolleyes:

    Theres a think called OCR you might have heard of it :P

    Its the reason why you dont have a barcode on your numberplate


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    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    Theres a think called OCR you might have heard of it :P

    Its the reason why you dont have a barcode on your numberplate
    Bar codes are on the way out. Powder chips are on the way in, current cost is the only draw back atm, wait until they are EAN / UPC approved and then the globe will be full of them. :eek:


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    #56
    Killer Pigeon
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    Why don't we just go the whole way and implant microchips into people's brains from birth containing your identity and can trace where you are at all times and when the government don't like you anymore a deadly poison is released from the microchip capsule and then you die.


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    #57
    stovelid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    This won't affect my little cottage industry of buying alcohol for local under-age drinkers at 400% interest, will it?


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    Anita Blow
    Registered Users Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭Anita Blow


    Just randomly found this thread while searching on google and found this.
    To the people saying "What would the government do if they had these details". Sure, this government may not abuse the system, but what's to say future governments won't? Anti-terrorism legislation is being used by councils in the UK to spy on people (Example)
    This is just one example of legislation which had been introduced without ulterior motives, being abused.
    Also, to go along with the "Those who don't know their history are doomed to repeat it" line, Identity cards were mandatory in Rwanda at the time of the Genocide. Each citizen was defined by their characteristics and affiliation as a Hutu or Tutsi. The government used this information to attack mixed marriages and during the genocide, depending on which affiliation was on your card decided whether you were murdered or not.
    This is an extreme example, but to say that it could never happen again is naive.


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