Tekken 7 Discussion Thread

I don't even know what to make of the trailer in relation to story. Will need more info. All I can say is that I am excited for T7 going UE4 because it heavily implies a PC release! With MKX and Skullgirls both on PC and now even possibly Tekken, I don't think I'll ever have to boot up my Ps3 again. I wonder how tekken will 'feel' not on the arcade engine, though... I hope they can pull it off.

Well a few things have been confirmed about Tekken 7.

1: They are going to make movement easier, no more KBDC! (at least as we now it)
2: Jun is going to feature in it.

I wonder which characters are going to get the cut? I hope Jin does. Soooo boring.....

I hope they cut a crapload of characters. A relatively small cast might convince me to start playing it.

Dreddybajs wrote: »

I hope they cut a crapload of characters. A relatively small cast might convince me to start playing it.

Yea and in game frame data. Maybe shave off 10-20 moves from each character as well?

Ramza wrote: »

Really? This is ridiculous. Movement is a crucial part of Tekken and always has been, they can't seriously be dumbing this down?

It was a tweet from Harada some few months ago. Given Harada's trolly reputation, I'd doubt this is concrete information.

I don't mind if they cut a lot of characters, you have to go back to T6 and ignore the additional TTT2 ones for clues.

But I do think that cutting moves AND characters would be a bit much. Maybe replace some moves (since every Tekken adds new moves) and that would certainly help.

With Jun confirmed in it, I guess there's no need for Asuka, although people seem to cling to the Asuka/Lili thing, so that'll probably save her. They're both way too popular to cut anyway.

Ignoring the TTT2 additions, I'd say that Baek is likely to go. Less likely but still possible might include... wang, raven, zafina and Ganryu.

I'd like to see these go, but I doubt it'll happen... A. King, Bob, Marduk, changs, Lars, Miguel, Paul, Roger, Dragonov.

@Ramza yeah, I'd say that they will dumb down the movement. It wont affect it too much I'm sure, most people (even the best players) screw up movement all the time, it makes the game look really bad. It's the biggest barrier stopping new players having a solid defense. Honestly the game is hard enough without having to worry about just f**king moving around the screen. I hope Harda wasn't trolling. Roll on the new game.

Eoin, you wanna see Julia/Michelle go? : (

I think making the roster smaller and maybe making some system changes is a move in the right direction. ATM Tekken is and always has been a game with an extremely high learning curve (3D fighters generally speaking are, because of their nature), because of the mechanics themselves, and also because the games have had such huge rosters in the last few iterations. These things make it really off putting as someone who wants to try to get into Tekken. The game is really fun and super rewarding, but only if an insane amount of man hours is put in. Tekken is the kind of game where it feels like constant hours of practice and experience never pay off, whereas the same amount of said practice and experience would, for other fighting games. That's just my 2 cents. I still think KOF13 and Tag 2 are the best FGs at the minute in terms of balance and overall gameplay mechanics

Competitively speaking, the current high level tekken scene consists mainly of extremely old school players (mostly korean, where tekken is the main game), or mid level players who take the game 100% seriously, but because of lack of years of EXP seem to dwindle when playing other players who just have an insanely huge edge over said players who have been maining the game for years, and thus know the games inside and out. Take EVO, or any other big US tourney, JDCR and Knee just go ham and wreck USA most every time, I'm pretty sure their win records in America are insanely high. It's like a whole different game they're playing. I know that time and experience will always be rewarded, and I commend that, but the point I'm making is that a comparison can not really be made to 2D fighters ; old school vets will always do well, but each SF is different in some way, brings different system mechanics etc, whereas Tekken doesn't really seem to do this. Old school players who played as far back as Tekken 3//Tag 1/4, have a huge advantage right now, because as far as I know, the games haven't changed much since then, at all, apart from new characters. Movement being such a huge part of the games, also transfers from game to game. The game isn't changing enough or making itself appealing to a different demographic, which IMO is what Tekken needs to bring it further in line with other FGs

Take SF4 back in 09, a lot of the same players top players STILL dominated, and still do, but SF is the kind of game where anyone with determination, can pick it up and put in serious work, and it will pay off. Not because I think it is easier, but because the system itself as not as punishing, and is also more appealing to a casual player. I'm pretty sure there's lots of 09ers who picked up SF as their first serious FG/SF game, and got really into FGS/SF, as a result, this scene itself is testament to that, and that's a great thing. Tekken 6 came out a few months after SF4 IIRC, but SF still dwarfed Tekken in terms of sheer numbers, even though Tekken still had a following here back then. I know myself and others were and still are really into Tekken, but it just did not seem worth it, or appealing, to grind at. For example, in a game like Tekken where something as simple as moving is not only EXTREMELY important, but extremely hard to master and get a hold of, that becomes a huge barrier, as that is a basic mechanic that new players try to naturally grasp first but never can. I think this is something that has to change

TL DR ; If Tekken wants to appeal to a more diverse player base and become more accessible, changes have to be made

The problem is that, even with such a big roster we keep seeing the same characters pop up again and again. Admittedly this got better in TTT2 after T6, but mam oh man, I'm quite sick of seeing Bob and Lars, it's quite ridiculous how good they are in the tag system.

I'm half thinking that since it's using the unreal engine, maybe it will skip arcade altogether? But probably not, they use that time to fix bugs etc.

I'm not too concerned about how they change it, so long as it changes a great deal. Been pretty much playing the same Tekken for nearly 10 years now lol.

I have a pocket Lars/Anna and Bob/Ganny

Macal wrote: »

You mean offline or online, Skeering? I wouldn't ever use online to really justify to the rate of appearance of characters. As for offline, nobody in our scene mains Bob or Lars or even uses them as a pocket character, unless I'm mistaken. And EVO Top 8? We did have two Bobs with Genkids and Inkog, but Genkid's Bob is truly exceptional. And not a single Lars in sight.

Everywhere! Asim, Nobi, Knee, only practice, just practice to name the first few that came to my head. Online also, you know some one is all business when they have Lars as a partner, bob also.

@Fergus - Yeah I think that Julia either needs to go or get her style finalised. After so many years she's constantly been tweaked and still feels like a character with no real direction, despite a move list overhaul...

But if they really are determined to axe characters, I'd say that Wang would go and Julia would come back in classic form with Mad Axes

Yeah, they really have to take this opportunity to change things up and trim the massive amounts of chaff in the game. We're fresh on the heels of a dream match game with everybody and everything which could and should continue to be played in its own right while the new game does things differently.

My only concern with a roster trim is that while I like a lot of characters in Tekken, most of them would be on the chopping block because I don't really give a **** about any of the core plot relevant characters.

@Macal:
My bro has a pocket lars that he can and does bring out in tournament, but, yeah Bob/lars aint a big problem in our scene atleast.

BigStupidGuy wrote: »

1: They are going to make movement easier, no more KBDC! (at least as we now it)
2: Jun is going to feature in it.
3.Character roster willl get cut to between 32-38
4. He confirmed that he thinks Xaoyu, Baek and Anna (these where the characters specifically asked about) should probably get a buff in the next game
5. Eliza would appear if enough ppl requested it.
6. He would try to make the next game 'more dark'
7. He hates Kazama Can-can kicks too!!
See @ 1 hr 50 mins approx. onwards : http://www.twitch.tv/nycfab/b/547063616

I wonder which characters are going to get the cut? I hope Jin does. Soooo boring.....

Why don't you like Jin man?

The clones and probably the animals too will get cut.

My only real gripe with TTT2 is that the game is too juggle heavy.
If they reduced the juggle damage, reduce the roster size to T5~ish size and from an artistic/design perspective I hope they make a return to the more mature and story focused approach of T4.

I agree with Jun DP that in game frame data would make it soo much easier for the average player.
Perhaps some general play style choice guides for each character and definitely an improved fight lab!!

I disagree with Ramza that movement isn't extremely important, I think like Fergus that it's one of the most important things in the game, but I agree with everything else said.

Misty Chaos is completely right. SF4 is much friendlier to casual players/beginners and that helps draw ppl into it.
I don't know what they can/should do system mechanics wise to make this happen but a better introductory/fight lab would certainly be a major help.

@MistyChaos I agree with the huge learning curve that TTT2 given that's where I started trying to play Tekken competitively, it has taken me probably almost 9 months of playing and practice to even be considered solid. I found that trying to learn movement and throw breaking got put aside for working on character knowledge, which in a game of 50 something characters is imo the most important thing. However I don't agree that the USF4 is an easy game to get into now with all the 43 characters to learn and some advanced features in the game, and that the game has so many experienced players who've been there since Vanilla SF4. Honestly I find Third Strike is my game of choice when I just want to play an easier fighting game.

And yeah, Skeering is right on with Tekken becoming too comical. I can forgive TTT2 since it's a non-canon game. Just compare Paul's T4 ending to his T6 ending.