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Are you going to pay the household charge? [Part 1]

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    #7652
    BarackPyjama
    Closed Accounts Posts: 974 ✭✭✭BarackPyjama


    mickydoomsux wrote: »
    So. Many. Contradictions.

    I don't even no where to begin.

    Well why not start at the beginning then and we'll see if your blasé retort is anything other than just sound and idiocy?


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    #7653
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,568 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    I refuse to pay TWICE for the same walls and roof with TWO separate taxes on the same damn thing!
    Anyone that does - needs either their head examined or has been fooled by spin and lies.

    dvpower wrote: »
    So they're scaring people, but not deliberately.
    ... and we're back to it being deliberate, with added imtimidation now. Is the imtimidation deliberate or accidental?

    YOU tell us - by their actions, the result is still the same! NO?


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    #7654
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 20,486 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    The_Thing wrote: »
    There's plenty of housing estates where the council workers will simply refuse to visit for reasons of personal safety.

    I thought most owners of private property would try to avoid living in that sort of environment.


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    #7655
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    alastair wrote: »
    They can say that. But a demand will arrive one day regardless, and it's citizen's responsibility to make themselves aware of the laws of the land - no legal onus on the govt to leaflet them about it. It'll mean nothing in court. Ignorance of the law isn't a defence.
    dvpower wrote: »
    Won't the summons* tell them about the household charge?

    * In reality, there will be warnings sent before any summons, so anyone actually going to court still pleading ignorance deserves all they get.

    There will be no court.......... trust me.
    You will see an unbelievable uprising if a single citizen is hauled up in front of a judge for this charge whilst Bertie, bankers and all the real scum are still living the high life.
    If the government are foolish enough to even opt for this route then I predict things a lot more shocking than a march.


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    #7656
    jluv
    Registered Users Posts: 3,718 ✭✭✭jluv


    Ran out of space for reply:)
    So if any business you gave €10,000 to made no impact with that money would you like them to show you a well thought out plan to make a difference with an extra €100 from you. If they couldn't do it with the revenue they had in the boom(which was because there was a lot of dead weight floating around),Then I think they need to assure us that there is actually a solid plan to get things accomplished this time. So no I don't want to look at how they have spent the money. I want to see how they plan to spend this money.If there is a plan..


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    #7657
    crazygeryy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,065 ✭✭✭crazygeryy


    DONT PAY IT! spread the word.


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    #7658
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Has the result of the next election been decided already?

    Ask the 1.5 +/- million that have yet to register will they vote FG/labour back into govt, after this shamble, and after all the broken promises?

    What was your opinion on the link I attached earlier on the thread, ref Phil Hogans refusal to take a cut in his grossly overpaid salary?

    Is he, or any of the other member of govt truly deserved such money?

    (btw, he's on 170k a year........) Plus expenses.

    Are they truly doing their bit to get the country back on its feet, lining their own pockets is all their doing!


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    #7659
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 20,486 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Biggins wrote: »
    I refuse to pay TWICE for the same walls and roof with TWO separate taxes on the same damn thing!
    Anyone that does - needs either their head examined or has been fooled by spin and lies.




    YOU tell us - by their actions, the result is still the same! NO?

    I see your Party is in favour of a site value tax. But only when we get true local and regional democracy. I suppose we will have to wait until they are the majority in the Dail.

    http://www.irishdemocraticparty.ie/comment/household-charge-land-value-property-tax.php


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    #7660
    baldymac
    Registered Users Posts: 200 ✭✭baldymac


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Ask the 1.5 +/- million that have yet to register will they vote FG/labour back into govt, after this shamble, and after all the broken promises?

    What was your opinion on the link I attached earlier on the thread, ref Phil Hogans refusal to take a cut in his grossly overpaid salary?

    Is he, or any of the other member of govt truly deserved such money?

    (btw, he's on 170k a year........) Plus expenses.

    Are they truly doing their bit to get the country back on its feet, looking their own pockets it's all their doing!


    agree 1000% why aren't the GOV helping by paying the tax also instead of the lower class


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    #7661
    D1stant
    Registered Users Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭D1stant


    Biggins wrote: »
    The pubic is ALREADY paying a household tax!
    On average of a €300,000 home, ye are coughing up on average €1500 a year!
    So your paying TWICE now for the same four walls and roof!
    Most people don't realise this!!!

    The full debate thats clipped above is available in my earlier post here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=77761834&postcount=7386

    The FG and Labour schysters can spin all they can try BUT THIS IS FACT!

    Stamp duty is 1% so how is it 6% as in Mings example?

    And its a little disingenuous to calculate the interest on the stamp duty over the period of the mortgage as you wont be borrowing that. So in reality the cost on a 300k home is 3k. Not 37k. Shoddy and populist from Ming.


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    #7662
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,568 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    I see your Party is in favour of a site value tax. But only when we get true local and regional democracy. I suppose we will have to wait until they are the majority in the Dail.

    http://www.irishdemocraticparty.ie/comment/household-charge-land-value-property-tax.php

    Indeed - and that matter is still under debate internally.

    When anyone morgage is paid off - maybe then the tax that a government wants to bring in, can be then applied FAIRLY - till then with this Household tax, I will say it again

    "YOU ARE PAYING TWICE!"

    This video needs to be shared to everyone:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgSsZ7ADPrA


    If they don't get it, they are being deliberately blind - don't want to know the truth and/or have just loads a money to give away!


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    #7663
    BarackPyjama
    Closed Accounts Posts: 974 ✭✭✭BarackPyjama


    baldymac wrote: »
    agree 1000% why aren't the GOV helping by paying the tax also instead of the lower class

    You'd wonder, wouldn't you?


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    #7664
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 20,486 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Ask the 1.5 +/- million that have yet to register will they vote FG/labour back into govt, after this shamble, and after all the broken promises?

    What was your opinion on the link I attached earlier on the thread, ref Phil Hogans refusal to take a cut in his grossly overpaid salary?

    Is he, or any of the other member of govt truly deserved such money?

    (btw, he's on 170k a year........) Plus expenses.

    Are they truly doing their bit to get the country back on its feet, looking their own pockets it's all their doing!

    Yes the only honourable people are Sinn Feinn and the Socialists who have to hand up most of their money. If making money is the motivation for politicians then why not make the salary €1 million a year so as to attract the people who earn that sort of money in the private sector. These people a la Michael O'Leary know how to run things and make big money and they would surely run rings around the Germans not like the muppets we get now. Right?


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    #7665
    baldymac
    Registered Users Posts: 200 ✭✭baldymac


    why dont we all declare bankrupt just like the developers, they couldnt finish they job why should i finish my mortgage


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    #7666
    mickydoomsux
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,290 ✭✭✭mickydoomsux


    D1stant wrote: »
    Shoddy and populist from Ming.

    Nothing new there so.

    An economically illiterate buffoon. It's rather laughable that the no campaign are holding him up as a champion.


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    #7667
    Chucky the tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    jluv wrote: »
    Ran out of space for reply:)
    So if any business you gave €10,000 to made no impact with that money would you like them to show you a well thought out plan to make a difference with an extra €100 from you. If they couldn't do it with the revenue they had in the boom(which was because there was a lot of dead weight floating around),Then I think they need to assure us that there is actually a solid plan to get things accomplished this time. So no I don't want to look at how they have spent the money. I want to see how they plan to spend this money.If there is a plan..


    This Government wasn't in power during the boom times. It's like giving one business €10,000 an then refusing to give any other business more money because that one business was terrible.


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    #7668
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Yes the only honourable people are Sinn Feinn and the Socialists who have to hand up most of their money. If making money is the motivation for politicians then why not make the salary €1 million a year so as to attract the people who earn that sort of money in the private sector. These people a la Michael O'Leary know how to run things and make big money and they would surely run rings around the Germans not like the muppets we get now. Right?

    Very good.

    That hasn't actually answered me though.

    (either of the questions) :rolleyes:


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    #7669
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    jluv wrote: »
    I guess I have more of a business head then yours. As stated before I paid over €10000 for services when I built my house.I then had to pay to get connected to water and sewage which is used by everyone in the area whether they have contributed money or not.There are no street lights,footpaths or such even though there are plenty of houses built in the last 10 years from which a lot of money was collected. Fair enough I hear you say. We still only have access to the same basic facilities that were always there whether they collected that money or not.In the wider community the only thing different is a 2 mile long footpath that was put in on a main road which had NO housing and that noone walks on??

    You're not getting anything extra for the tax - who suggested you were? It's an attempt to make up for a deficit that currently exists. As to the services that your local authority provides, and how much they cost - again - check your local authorities website - their accounts are publically available.


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    #7670
    lugha
    Registered Users Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭lugha


    Biggins wrote: »
    Indeed - and that matter is still under debate internally.

    When anyone morgage is paid off - maybe then the tax that a government wants to bring in, can be then applied FAIRLY - till then with this Household tax, I will say it again

    "YOU ARE PAYING TWICE!"

    Do I understand your correctly Biggins. You think that services should be paid for in the future by monies accumulated in the past via stamp duty, money that is now spent????


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    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    mikom wrote: »
    There will be no court.......... trust me.
    You will see an unbelievable uprising if a single citizen is hauled up in front of a judge for this charge whilst Bertie, bankers and all the real scum are still living the high life.
    If the government are foolish enough to even opt for this route then I predict things a lot more shocking than a march.

    Will it be a HUGE uprising, in the same vein as the HUGE national protest at the National Stadium?


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    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,568 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    D1stant wrote: »
    Stamp duty is 1% so how is it 6% as in Mings example?

    And its a little disingenuous to calculate the interest on the stamp duty over the period of the mortgage as you wont be borrowing that. So in reality the cost on a 300k home is 3k. Not 37k. Shoddy and populist from Ming.

    Go and bone up on your facts - then come back to us will you?

    The following are the rates of stamp duty which apply to sites and land in Ireland:

    1% for FIRST time buyers ONLY!

    The rest? 6%

    Don't take my word for it!

    See: http://www.propertyfile.net/stampduty.htm

    ...and thats ONLY from 2010.

    ...And be it 1% or 6% - its STILL A TAX ALREADY on your household!
    Got it yet?

    lugha wrote: »
    Do I understand your correctly Biggins. You think that services should be paid for in the future by monies accumulated in the past via stamp duty, money that is now spent????

    Dear god! Please educate people more!

    You are paying every year as part of your mortgage monthly (or whenever) payments!


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    #7673
    Ghost Buster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    mickydoomsux wrote: »
    Nothing new there so.

    An economically illiterate buffoon. It's rather laughable that the no campaign are holding him up as a champion.

    Any more economically illiterate than those who didnt bother their holes regulating the banks, created a property bubble and ignored the george lees, David Mc Williams etc of this world who told them over and over again what was going to happen;)


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    #7674
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Biggins wrote: »
    Indeed - and that matter is still under debate internally.

    That money was only resting in my account!


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    #7675
    baldymac
    Registered Users Posts: 200 ✭✭baldymac


    of course im going to pay it "im irish and stupid"


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    #7676
    mickydoomsux
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,290 ✭✭✭mickydoomsux


    Ghost Buster wrote: »
    created a property bubble and ignored the george lees, David Mc Williams etc of this world who told them over and over again what was going to happen;)

    The general public?


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    D1stant
    Registered Users Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭D1stant


    Biggins wrote: »
    Go and bone up on your facts - then come back to us will you?

    The following are the rates of stamp duty which apply to sites and land in Ireland:

    1% for FIRST time buyers ONLY!

    The rest? 6%

    Don't take my word for it!

    See: http://www.propertyfile.net/stampduty.htm

    ...and ONLY from 2010.

    ...And be it 1% or 6% - its STILL A TAX ALREADY on your household!
    Got it yet?

    Oh dear. My ears hurt

    Stamp duty is 1%. whether you are a first time buyer or not up to a value of 1 million. It says so on the link you just posted (?)

    You pay stamp duty up front. You do not borrow it and you do not pay interest on it

    Before you start shouting and holding up Ming as some kind of economic visionary. Check the facts

    He says 37k. The reality is 3k. End of


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    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 20,486 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Ghost Buster wrote: »
    Any more economically illiterate than those who didnt bother their holes regulating the banks, created a property bubble and ignored the george lees, David Mc Williams etc of this world who told them over and over again what was going to happen;)

    Fine Gael missed a trick when they turned down Vincent Browne. Now there is a man who knows how to tell that troika where to get off. I suppose George Lee could be Taoiseach by now if he hadn't found politics a bit beyond his capabilities.


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    #7679
    lugha
    Registered Users Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭lugha


    Biggins wrote: »
    Dear god! Please educate people more!

    You are paying every year as part of your mortgage monthly (or whenever) payments!

    Calm yourself laddie!
    You are paying it to a bank, not into the government coffers.

    Are you proposing that we go act nicely ask the banks (our banks!) to simply hand over the stamp duty portion of what their customers pay as part of the mortgage?


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    #7680
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    alastair wrote: »
    Will it be a HUGE uprising, in the same vein as the HUGE national protest at the National Stadium?

    If you want to start comparing prick sizes then start with the number of non-payment protesters.

    With 5 days to go your prick is only 20% of its full potential.
    Better start gobbling those viagra Al.

    If you are lucky.... big Phil may give you a reach-around


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    #7681
    porsche boy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,560 ✭✭✭porsche boy


    alastair wrote: »
    The government will thank you for helping bump up the revenue intake of this tax by a ballpark 35%.

    Well, you missed that point didn't you.
    If the national movement that's in action dont manage to completely overturn this then you will only have to pay that bit extra if you decide to pay at all. Remember a national movement similar to this overturned the water rates in the mid ninties and a movement like this managed to back Maggie Tatcher into withdrawal of Poll Tax in the UK.
    BarackPyjama wrote: »
    Um, I think a lot of the people that would end up getting taxed in that case would be people who didn't benefit from the boom. Many of those who are finding new wealth were probably fairly frugal with their money and didn't join in on the 'keeping up with the Joneses' mental illness that swept the country. Myself included. I never benefited in any way from the Celtic Tiger. On the contrary, I was poor for the last 12/13 years of my life. Now that things are finally getting better and business is improving, I don't feel it's fair that I be taxed for the excesses of others.

    Perhaps a better suggestion might be to go after the wealth of those that caused the economic collapse in a CAB like fashion and use that money instead. If there's any left.

    I dont know your pesonal circumstances but the people I refer to would be more than capable of helping get this country back on track with their own money.

    28% of all wealth in Ireland is owned by the top 1%.

    I want to break that down to simpler numbers, 1% of the population is approx 36'000 adults.
    28% of the nations wealth is €130 billion
    So on average there is 36'000 people with a bank balance of 3.8 million, approximately.
    These people are also expected to pay €100. Is that fair or just? is that what a democratic republic is about?


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