Chem trails

OK....even without the video to hand, I can tell you that they say the following:

1) The content put into the sky was chaff, not chemicals. It was small fibres of metal-coated plastic.

2) The "clouds" they reported were visible only on meteoroligical radar. If you looked up into the sky (or down on it with satellites) where there was the meteoroligical radar was reporting heavy cloud and heavy rain....you saw nothing but blue sky because there was no cloud.

3) The claim made by the meteorologist (Karsten Brandt) was that the military were attempting to modify meteoroligcal weather charts, not that they were trying to manipulate the weather/climate, as the translation claims.

4) Jockseire has claimed, and still claims that the translation is accurate, despite not even acknowledging or explaining how this gels with the content that I've already shown to be not compeltely incorrect. Nowhere in the German content - either the voice-over, or the text from the official report cited, is it claimed that chemtrails were sprayed at low altitude. Nowhere is anything even close to that claimed. What is claimed, as I've noted, is that the offical records show that only small quantities of chaff were deployed.

Jockseire wrote:

the point is they try to derail the message of german military spraying chenicals in the air by picking out other details from my posts

One of the details I've picked out is that they did not spray chemicals. They deployed chaff. I'm not trying to derail any message, other than a misleading one. Chaff is "chemicals" only in the loosest interpretation of the term...that all matter is comprised of chemicals - an interpretation which would also include qualifying perfectly regular engine exhausts.

and not the message presented in the report.

The core of the message - which you still maintain is correclty interpreted - is exactly what I've already shown to be false. The report stated small quantities of chaff wer deployed. The "perfectly correct" translation said chemtrails were sprayed at low altitude.

so lets see what bonkey understood from what the report

I've pointed out more than enough thats wrong with the report. You've yet to address any of those points, resorting instead to bluster that I'm trying to somehow divert from the message.Of course, givben that you seem to understand "perfect" as "something containing errors that we can overlook", perhaps by "diverting from the message" you mean "showing where its completely wrong".

For anyone who prefers the written word, here's a Spiegel article on the same subject....again, in German.

http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/mensch/0,1518,445727,00.html

1. I dont think theres anyone her who will say that chemicals arent being sprayed into the air. (Every single airplane that takes off emits exhaust gases which are of course chemicals) If these are now what are being called chemtrails because they are chemical trails then fair enough.

2. The conspiracy at the center of this topic is that governments are intentionally "spraying" chemicals in the air over us to poison us. (Barium was one chemical mentioned earlier on and a number of reports were cited about differing levels of chemicals in groundwater etc.

3. What has been reported in Germany doesnt really deal with point 2 at all in my opinion.

4. No one has answered any of my questions which were asked a few pages ago.

Kippy

I'll have a shot at your questions, Kippy....

1 Who is spraying?(actually flying the planes, refueling the plans and responsible for their safe trip through the sky)?

I don't know, but I'm willing to bet that there's a 1-1 correlation between registered flight-paths of commercial aircraft, and the trails that have been photographed.

2 Who finances this, who orders the spraying and who do they answer to?

Presumably the same shadowy, ill-defined cabal that's allegedly behind everything other conspiracy. Y'know...the ones who control everything, but are trying to gain control of everything.

3 Why do this? As mentioned earlier (which I have to say, was completely overlooked) spraying from the sky is neither targeted, stealthy or inexpensive) Why they hell dont "they" poison the water reservoirs directly? Dublin only has one or two sources of water and this appears to be the way to go for any such poisoning of the population of the city.

The only logical conclusion is that its a long-term plan to achieve some sort of critical levels of something in the entire atmosphere. Given the wind-speeds at the altitudes that 'trails (con- or chem-) occur, the occurrence of such 'trails over ocean as well as land, and various other factors, it simply cannot be actually targetted at anything. I'd refer back to the Spiegel article I linked to above, concerning chaff, where it is mentioned that chaff falls at 20-30 cm/sec. If dropped from a few thousand metres, its going to take hours to fall to earth. Now...if instead of chaff, we have fine particulate matter (e.g. something like smoke particules) or a gas, then it could easily stay in the atmosphere indefinitely (witness how far dust from teh sahara can be blown, and it starts at ground-level, or indeed where the radioactive fallout from Chernobyl was traced to, again, starting at ground-level).

4 Why spend so much time and effort doing this when there are easier and more effective ways of doing it?

If the aim is to reach critical levels of something in the entire atmosphere, there may not be easier and more effective ways of doing it.

The problem (for me) with this scenario is that you'll find it hard to find someone who agrees with the theory of chemtrails who also believes that man's entire impact on the earth can have any signficant impact on the atmosphere (e.g. the whole Global Warming thing). So if our entire impact - industrual, agricultural, and all the rest is insignificant...how can a handful of planes who's output makes up a tiny, tiny proportion of that do anything at all to the global atmospheric makeup.

5 What do you personally do to protect yourself from the effects of this spraying? Wear a mask?

I do nothing, because I don't believe I'm being sprayed.

6 Have you brought up your issues with your local politician? If so what has the response been? Similiarily have you written a letter to the department of the environment or the green party or the EU asking for clarification of what is going on in the skies above our heads? If so I would be interested in seeing any replies.

I have no issues, so this doesn't apply to me.

7 You mentioned before that there were a few countries that didnt actually get sprayed. To be honest I found that amazing.

Yeah...someone mentioned Switzerland, which is amusing because I've seen these 'trails in the morning sky over Bern more than once. Also, as I've already mentioned above, the windspeeds at altitude, coupled with the slow descent rate of anything that would/could be being used would mean that it wouldn't matter. Switzerland - if it were not involved in this alleged conspiracy - could do nothing against the 'fallout' from neighbouring countries.

What is perhaps a more pertinent question is why these allegedly-non-involved nations are keeping silent when they are unquestionably going to be as effected as anyone else.

How many undocumented flights, gallons of fuel/chemical and man hours would be needed for an operation of this size and who is logisticily and financially responsible for running it?

You're mostly repeating questions from above here, but here's my take on it...

If there were such a conspiracy, I believe it would be far better achieved by ensuring that there were additives in all aviation fuel. To achieve this would require a far smaller degree of coverup, and could leverage so many of the logistics already in place. Unfortunately, it would negate all these "on again, off again", "only some of the time", "suspicious patterns" arguments that are key to the whole argument.

Well, case closed, chemtrails are real. The next endeavour is to determine what purpose they are intended for and whether they are harmful to us.

STEVO B wrote:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO409F.html

http://www.sonic.net/~alden/Peas.html

Oh. My. God. We're all going to die on 12/9/2012 at 14:36.

beacuse all the chems work together to produce one really really really bad one. Plus, if you find out about one - like these chemtrails they'll get you with the others.

Who'd have thunk it?

scumbag sqpants wrote: »

what better way to poison us than to poison the atmosphere!??

By all of the methods listed. Then the posion could be delivered in concentrated amounts rather than via being dispersed miles up. How would that dispersion affect ground level could anyone tell me? I imagine it would be so diluted as to be insignificant.