Jihad In Dublin

Capt'n Midnight · 11-06-2005 9:47pm

IRA peoples have trained with the PLO in Libya.
Nazi means National Socialists whereas the IRA describe themselves as .. oh yeah :rolleyes:

Considering what has happened in the middle east , people in refuge camps six decades later, people deprived of running water in a country that considers itself first world, I'm tired of anti-semitism being blown out of proportion. I've become immune to it with complaints over Swedish art and every LITTLE thing. It's been counter productive - cry wolf too often and no one will respond when something out of proportion happens. By out of proportion I mean when anti-semitic acts out side isreal are worse than the acts commited against the palestinians.

As for it being their country - for most of the last 1,500 years most of the population were non-jewish. The poles have a better calim to Kiev. Should we rule Scotland / British Isles because our ancestors used to live there ?

And there are some non-jews on the team too.

Let's face it the news is about the IRA hijacking something and the less publicity that goes to that shower the better. Will never forgive the sucm that chanted their slogans during the minutes silence for Omagh in front of the cameras.

Anyway storm in a tea-cup - Just the media doing a disservice

Estelle Manton of Ireland's Jewish Representative Council insisted: "I'm sure that the police were aware of those perpetrating it [the trouble]. The police do not tolerate any antisemitism."

Any trouble was dismissed by the rally's organisers, the Ireland-Palestine Solidarity Campaign, who described it as "a good-humoured event".

Orizio · 11-06-2005 10:17pm

Tell me what is the difference between blowing up school buses and firing missiles into a market place? Or burying people alive in thier own homes, or prehaps stealing the land since 9/11 and then giving a little back and claiming it is a sign of peace? Or how about sanctioning assasinations and pre-emptive attacks? Rounding people up and detaining them without rights.

You can go on about the horrible Hamas brainwashing the children, but when you have an enemy that is living up to that brainwashing you have to ask who is causing the problem for who.

Tell me:did you bother reading the post your attempting to reply to?

Did you happen to miss this...

Orizio wrote:

There is no excuse for the entrapment of the palestianian people by the Isrealis now

Or how about...

Orizio wrote:

Both sides are as desperate and stubborn as each other.

Tell me what is the difference between blowing up school buses and firing missiles into a market place?

Do you mean when Isreal is trying to kill high ranking Hamas officials to stop Hamas from blowing up innocent Isreali 6 year old? :rolleyes:

Rounding people up and detaining them without rights.

Or how about the PLO not only rounding up dissidents but executing them?

You seem to be under the impression that I don't grasp the full extent Isreali's terrorizing of the Palestian people.I do as is blindingly obvious from my above posts.

Time Magazine · 11-06-2005 10:28pm

netwhizkid wrote:

This is an illegal occupation by the israeli army,

Do you mean unjust as opposed to illegal?

It is perfectly legal to protest when a football team arrive, not necessarily just though.

And similarly, it is perfectly legal for America to veto an unanimously backed international motion against Israel's occupation.

Moriarty · 12-06-2005 12:28am

Hobbes wrote:

More then anyone claiming to have the moral highground should.

The "moral highground" is a political policy. Attacking militants with guided missiles in areas likely to kill civilians is most certainly a security policy. I'm not the one with the schism here, it's the Israeli cabinet. I most certainly do not agree with a lot of policys that come out of there.

Hobbes wrote:

There is no difference in my opinion. Once you treat civillians as just something that gets in your way to your getting your point across you are no better then those that you fight.

And what really makes you think that the Israelis care more about that than protecting their citizens? It's fine to have nice academic arguments over here about it, but it's Israelis that are getting blown up and then palastinians getting shot dead in response. They're in a state of war in their minds, international opinion is rather further down the list of priorities than the security of their people.

Hobbes wrote:

And that makes them ok? I don't follow your logic here.

I have no qualms about Israelis blowing up militants of varying sorts, just as I have no qualms about palastinians blowing up any IDF that stray into their sights. I feel no need to lump one side or the other into the 'good' or 'evil' category. They're both doing things that they shouldn't be doing. They both have their reasons for doing them. I may disagree with those reasons, but they're obviously good enough for them to continue fighting.

Apportioning blame is irrelevant, not to mention verging on analytical masturbation. The only relevant thing is how to get them to stop. Getting them to stop is, at the end of the day, entirely removed from any military tactics either side followed during the conflict.

murphaph · 12-06-2005 8:57am

Moriarty wrote:

The only relevant thing is how to get them to stop. Getting them to stop is, at the end of the day, entirely removed from any military tactics either side followed during the conflict.

Well I don't think it is to be honest but I also don't think there will ever be peace between Israelis and Palestinians. There are too many extremists, however the best move would be to enrich the lot of Palestine because poverty does breed terrorism: Destitute boy x has nothing to live for in his eyes, rich Saudi funded terrorists tell him his family will want for nothing if he martyrs himself, boy x blows up schoolbus y.

halkar · 12-06-2005 8:57am

Sports and politics shouldn't miss, there are other days all around year for protests. International events like this should be a time to put differences aside and enjoy for both sides and others. Remember, we might have to go there again sometime and things like these might get forgiven but won't be forgotten.

That aside, not sure if anyone noticed but it was one of the roughest games I have witnessed, usually Irish games are calm and enjoyable but I thought it was turning in to boxing near the end of the game. Still can't beleive we didn't win though.

AmenToThat · 12-06-2005 7:04pm

halkar wrote:

Sports and politics shouldn't miss, there are other days all around year for protests. International events like this should be a time to put differences aside and enjoy for both sides and others. Remember, we might have to go there again sometime and things like these might get forgiven but won't be forgotten.

Comes back to my earlier argument being that that article is a baised crock of ****!
I have no doubts there was a few clowns doing nazi salutes around Lansdowne raod last sat which is totally unecaplable but the groups involved in the protest and indeed the aims of the protest were and are in my view perfectly acceptable.
If the Isrealis have a problem with that I would suggest that its an issue for them to deal with and not 'us' so to speak.
Nothing to be forgiven for and nothing to be forgotten about as the article is nothing but lies and propoganda.

Running Bing · 14-06-2005 8:20pm

unbelievable. I cannot believe some people are actually defending isareals behaviour in the past. Anybody who defends israels actions has no knowledge of the situation beyond scewed biased western reporting.

Dont get me wrong actions of groups such as the PLO are absolutely horrendous but no way are israel an innocent victim.

the palestinian people have been treated disgracefully in the past not only by israel but by the likes of great britian and america purely down to its fear of islam and the jewish vote.

the protest was basically about the palestinians right of return and nobody in their right mind who knows the facts could deny them that. ALthough on this board I wouldnt be surprised.

bonkey · 15-06-2005 8:08am

Babybing wrote:

Anybody who defends israels actions has no knowledge of the situation beyond scewed biased western reporting.

Or are using a similar line of reasoning to those who have defended Palestinian actions.

Both sides are taking a very simple line of "we will do what we feel we must". Both sides have fought - and continue to fight - dirty.

Dont get me wrong actions of groups such as the PLO are absolutely horrendous but no way are israel an innocent victim.

But.....

the palestinian people have been treated disgracefully in the past not only by israel but by the likes of great britian and america purely down to its fear of islam and the jewish vote.

So? Does this mitigates their horrendous behaviour in some way? Or is there some reason you mention their disgraceful treatment and not that of the Jews, and subsequently the Israelis?

I mean - you're not trying to suggest one is more entitled to act disgracefully or something, are you?

the protest was basically about the palestinians right of return and nobody in their right mind who knows the facts could deny them that.

So are you saying that the Israeli's en masse are not in their right mind, or that they just don't know the facts? In either case, I don't see what the aim of the protest was. Was it saying "you're all out of your minds", or was it saying "you don't know the facts"?

I don't see anything regarding the protest making either of those messages clear, so if thats the justification you're offering, it would seem that the protest was either a p1ss-poor attempt at getting its intended message across, or has been the victim of some sort of media conspiracy to ensure that the truth is suppressed. I don't find either line of reasoning compelling, so I'm inclined to question the suggestion that the protest had the intention you say.

ALthough on this board I wouldnt be surprised.

So are you suggesting that posters here are out of their minds, or just that they must be misinformed because they disagree with you?

jc

Seaneh · 16-06-2005 4:42pm

netwhizkid wrote:

This is an illegal occupation by the israeli army, who will take take no notice of shooting anything that is not already dead, wheter it be a 3 week old palestinian baby in a pram, or a british journalist, i vauguly remember a few yrs ago they shot a british journalist who i think later died. There was some one or two palestinians "terrorists" in the Israeli eyes, send to Ireland not so long ago there was mossad agents send here to kill them, if they succceded innocent irish bystanders could also become targets inadvertantly. Why is nearly all of the worlds wars caused by Religion ? (well modern wars are caused by crooked corporations eg. Iraq, Us oil companies bought dubya's votes for him. Millions of people have died and more will encount of Religion, As a non-practising catholic, i view this as a disgrace, i myself was brought up catholic and would never go to war against someone because of their Religion, I would however go against great evil and injustice, World Religions like Judaism is based of fiction, we have no proof, we are here like the fishes, we live and we die and thats it, Watching "The real da vinci code Documentary last night on Discovery only steadfastened by belief that all Religion is a sham, Especially catholicism, We wan't to heal relations with other religions waht do we do we make an evil-nazi pope ! Come on people its all bull so why should we fight over it. The Israeli occupation is driven by Jewish zealots and them stupid americans backing them up, I retact my previous statment, America is the greatest threat to the World :- Enviornement and Politics, they are literally ruining the world as we speak,

Regards netwhizkid

I'm sorry but that was tripe.

Very few wars are caused by religion.
A lot of wars are caused by greed and idiotic nationalistic pirde disugised as religion.

Running Bing · 17-06-2005 3:07pm

Listen basically bonkey what my post boils down to is the palestinians right of return. I can defend neither side in this dirty war and i am not trying to. Nor am I trying to justify palestinian actions.

But you do not outline a stance on the issue Im talking about. Do you or do you not agree that palestinians are entitled to right of return? After all thats what the protest was originally about not a hatred of jews or justification of palestinian millitants.

Davei141 · 17-06-2005 7:11pm

Nothing is worse than people turning sport into a political football.

murphaph · 17-06-2005 7:22pm

Davei141 wrote:

Nothing is worse than people turning sport into a political football.

lol

Tha Gopher · 21-06-2005 12:18am

Orizio wrote:

I'm afraid China,the US,Russia and about a dozen other countries are far more dangerous then Isreal.

Yes i can see how some republicans would sympathise with the pals plight of blowin up jewish school buses.

The irony that you make fun of one poster for making what you see as generic rubbish comments about genocide etc then go off on a rant about blowing up Jewish schoolbuses? How long has it been since a Palestinian deliberately blew up a bus full only of Israeli schoolchildren?
Who exactly is the Russian government a threat to? Rogue scientists yes, but the government?
If you are going to make fun of other posters, please attempt to at least pretend you know what you are talking about

The arguement for Israel as a home for the Jews is tenous at best. As one poster said, are the Jews even really a race anymore? In the 2000 odd years from when they left Israel to 1945, they intermarried with the peoples of the locales they fled to to such an extent that today they are virtually identical physical feature speaking. If they were still one race, a Russian Jew would have the same complexion of one from Ethiopia. They dont. Why? Because they havent had an ancestor who resembles a person from the middle east for centuries. Even if they were still 100% descended from the original Jews, so what? The Celts originated in and around Austria- it doesnt mean we have the right to go back to Austria, throw the Austrians out and form our own state because the Brits oppressed us for 800 years. Northern Ireland had severe civil rights problems until recent years. Would it have been acceptable for thousands of Catholics to flee N.I for Austria in the 60s and 70s, then form rebel groups there to force the natives out and seize power? Do not attempt to say it is a completely different context, it isnt.

And on the subject of football, the Arab who plays for Israel is a disgrace

bonkey · 21-06-2005 6:55am

Babybing wrote:

Listen basically bonkey what my post boils down to is the palestinians right of return.

Yes. I got that. It was the "unboiled form" of the message that I was questioning though.

But you do not outline a stance on the issue Im talking about.

Perhaps thats because it wasn't your stance I necessarily took exception with, but rather how you chose to express it - which interestingly is pretty much the same type of criticism that has mostly been levelled at the protest in question.

swimtwobirds · 22-06-2005 3:12pm

Tha Gopher wrote:

The arguement for Israel as a home for the Jews is tenous at best. As one poster said, are the Jews even really a race anymore?

Am I the only one feeling a little quesy at that?

Tha Gopher wrote:

Even if they were still 100% descended from the original Jews, so what? The Celts originated in and around Austria- it doesnt mean we have the right to go back to Austria, throw the Austrians out and form our own state because the Brits oppressed us for 800 years.

oh come on. This is a slightly different kettle of fish no? In any event, were the Irish to have attempted such, I doubt Truman would have been inclined to formally recognize the state, as he did with Israel. I'm not madly well informed on this, but I have a personal, sortof instinctive belief in the jewish birthright to the Israeli state. Their be-times treatment of the palestinians is another matter. Sharon's 'liquidation' speech springs to mind. Its worth noting too, that there are a lot of secular jews in Israel, who have a pretty uneasy co-existence with the ultra orthodox elements. They just live & work there.

bonkey · 22-06-2005 3:54pm

swimtwobirds wrote:

I'm not madly well informed on this, but I have a personal, sortof instinctive belief in the jewish birthright to the Israeli state.

At a guess, it wouldn't be unrelated to the fact that said state has existed for your entire lifetime.

Am I the only one feeling a little quesy at that?

Most certainly not. I'm sure there's every reaction from pracdtically standing up and applauding to wanting the guy to die horribly for being so anti-semitic by people who've read this post, or something similar which has said the same thing in the past.

I guess it depends on why it makes you feel queasy. Do you believe a religion and a race/people are the same thing? Or - at least in the case of the Israeli Jews - that they're close enough? What would this then say about Jews of a comparable origin but who choose not to be or become Israeli?

jc

bonkey · 22-06-2005 3:58pm

swimtwobirds wrote:

This is a slightly different kettle of fish no?

Can you explain why?

In any event, were the Irish to have attempted such, I doubt Truman would have been inclined to formally recognize the state, as he did with Israel.

And? Are you suggesting that the Jewish right to Israel as a nation is somehow dependant on the state being recognised by the US. Surely all Truman did was help ensure its existence....he neither validated nor invalidated the right of the Jewish people to have that state. Unless, of course, we accept that American support for something makes it right. After all, they've leant their support to some fairly horrific things and people in their time.

jc

Zombrex · 22-06-2005 4:03pm

swimtwobirds wrote:

I have a personal, sortof instinctive belief in the jewish birthright to the Israeli state. Their be-times treatment of the palestinians is another matter. Sharon's 'liquidation' speech springs to mind. Its worth noting too, that there are a lot of secular jews in Israel, who have a pretty uneasy co-existence with the ultra orthodox elements. They just live & work there.

I disagree with you about the birth-right thingy (anyway it is seem more as a "promise from God" than an issue of birth right)

But you are spot on about a large number of secular Israelis who oppose the current actuion in Palestine. Even some members of the army have refused to be stationed in Palestine, and faced accusations of being disturters and traitors because of it. Good on them

Zombrex · 22-06-2005 4:11pm

swimtwobirds wrote:

Am I the only one feeling a little quesy at that?

He is right, the idea of "race" as a biological distinction doesn't hold water anymore, it has very little scientific basis. So what we used to call "race" is really just social/cultural/religious groups. So what makes a person a "Jew" if it is more than simply a religious following?

And if it is simply a religion following, saying one religion has more of a right to a piece of land because of the beliefs of that religion doesn't really fly in this day and age, especially if the religion claims that they are promised the land. I don't think the Muslims in the middle east give a flying hoot about what Jewish people believe their god promised them any more than Jews would listen to Muslims if they said Allah wanted them to take back all of Isreal.

Sand · 22-06-2005 6:56pm

He is right, the idea of "race" as a biological distinction doesn't hold water anymore, it has very little scientific basis. So what we used to call "race" is really just social/cultural/religious groups. So what makes a person a "Jew" if it is more than simply a religious following?

I doubt Jews would view themselves as a race apart, except in the most extremist cases, but the diaspora and casting out from Israel by the Romans thousands of years ago is part of the shared Jewish heritage - be it religious or nationalistic. Obviously 2000 odd years on that heritage means less and less in either case.

And if it is simply a religion following, saying one religion has more of a right to a piece of land because of the beliefs of that religion doesn't really fly in this day and age, especially if the religion claims that they are promised the land. I don't think the Muslims in the middle east give a flying hoot about what Jewish people believe their god promised them any more than Jews would listen to Muslims if they said Allah wanted them to take back all of Isreal.

Well, the Zionist movements would argue that in history nice guys finish last.
As for their right to the land - its a moot point. They have it, and they have the means of holding it, and the Gaza strip aside they dont seem terribly anxious to hand it back. In the real world, the Palestinians only right to the land is they used to live there, that they took it fair and square from the people who lived there before hundreds and hundreds of years ago. Israelis would have the same point of view. And as you said above, its not the rightness or wrongness of the cause that counts.

swimtwobirds · 23-06-2005 11:31am

Sorry, got dragged off to actually work. Disgrace.

bonkey wrote:

Can you explain why?

Weelll, for one we don't have a race/culture/religion orientated (at least in part) around a small church in the Austrian veld , its surrounding hills and our enforced exodus from it 2000 years ago, the nature of said exodus & continuing persecution in the intervening centuries being one of the defining aspects of our shared heritage. I don't have a cultural memory of being a Celt in Austria; they sure as hell have a cultural memory of being Jews in Israel. And if they were to forget bits, they could always look up the bible..

bonkey wrote:

Are you suggesting that the Jewish right to Israel as a nation is somehow dependant on the state being recognised by the US?

Well no.. But in realpolitok terms it was conceivable, indeed it happened, that they got that recognition. That a forcible Irish Celtic renewal occupation of a section of Austria would be similarly recognised is pretty inconceivable. American support doesn't, I suppose, make something right, but it may well make it a reality. God knows; lately they've taken to calling themselves "history's actors" or as the scary new neo-con spin puts it "We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality..."

Niiiiice. Bit off topic that, but what a freaky quote.

Wicknight wrote:

Even some members of the army have refused to be stationed in Palestine, and faced accusations of being disturters and traitors because of it. Good on them

Yep. Wasn't there a thing about a bunch of them writing an open letter.. saying that they were expected to go out after a given Palestinian attack and basically ensure that an eye for an eye was observed, civilian or no? I mean, given that the Israelis have all the advantages of proper western economic & political ties, they should be getting slapped over the head by all quarters (western diplomatic) for this kind of carry on. Its crazy, and in this respect, methinks they're their own worst enemy..

Boggle · 23-06-2005 12:03pm

As for their right to the land - its a moot point. They have it, and they have the means of holding it, and the Gaza strip aside they dont seem terribly anxious to hand it back. In the real world, the Palestinians only right to the land is they used to live there, that they took it fair and square from the people who lived there before hundreds and hundreds of years ago. Israelis would have the same point of view. And as you said above, its not the rightness or wrongness of the cause that counts.

Essentially you are saying that might is right....

sceptre · 23-06-2005 2:17pm

Boggle wrote:

Essentially you are saying that might is right....

Straw man. Obviously he's saying no more than "might is rather effective".

Zombrex · 23-06-2005 2:23pm

Boggle wrote:

Essentially you are saying that might is right....

I think he is saying there is no point arguing over if Israel had a right to exist in 1946 (or when ever it was offically recongised), because the fact is it does exisit now and not a lot is going to change that.

One the other hand, Israelis still use the "promise from God" excuse for the expansion of settlements and the treatment of the Palestinians. I say a BBC doc a couple of years ago (2 or 3) about American Jews who are emmigrating to Israel and living in the settlements and they were claiming that it is their right to do so because the land was promised to them by God, it was "their land" even though these people were born and lived in the US

Boggle · 23-06-2005 4:38pm

I think he is saying there is no point arguing over if Israel had a right to exist in 1946 (or when ever it was offically recongised), because the fact is it does exisit now and not a lot is going to change that.

I don't think that anyone (no matter how imaginitive his imagination) could argue that Israel had a right to exist back then. So how can you argue that because they were able to take it and hold it that they are now justified in their actions against Palestinian freedom fighters/terrorists.

Would you have condemned the French Resistance?

Sand · 23-06-2005 7:36pm

I say a BBC doc a couple of years ago (2 or 3) about American Jews who are emmigrating to Israel and living in the settlements and they were claiming that it is their right to do so because the land was promised to them by God, it was "their land" even though these people were born and lived in the US

I saw an even better documentary about these fundamentalist Christian Americans who absolutely championed the Israelis taking back the Holy Land, and feted Sharon when he visited them. Why did they love Israeli expansion so much when they werent Jewish?

Apparently the creation of Israel and its struggle against the Arab nations around it is a sign of the coming apocalypse and the return of Jesus. They were effectively cheerleading for the end of the world. The freaks.

I think he is saying there is no point arguing over if Israel had a right to exist in 1946 (or when ever it was offically recongised), because the fact is it does exisit now and not a lot is going to change that.

True.

I don't think that anyone (no matter how imaginitive his imagination) could argue that Israel had a right to exist back then. So how can you argue that because they were able to take it and hold it that they are now justified in their actions against Palestinian freedom fighters/terrorists.

I think you should prepare a thesis proving the Israelis have no right to the land they hold and send it the the Israeli embassy. When they realise their frightful mistake theyll certainly head off back to Europe, the US and Russia. Probably all a big misunderstanding.

Look at the Germans - after WW2 their was a massive, deliberate policy of ethnically cleansing German communities that had existed for centuries from Eastern Europe. Civillians were attacked, beaten, thrown out of their homes and marched hundreds of miles to the west. Borders were redrawn and swathes of "old" Germany were handed over to the Warsaw pact states. Was that wrong or right? Did these ethnic German civillians get what was coming to them? Conquerers justice perhaps?

Either way, it happened, and whilst it may be recognised as wrong now that doesnt change the fact that it happened and its pretty much irreversible. Germans are understandbly unwilling to go round moaning about it.

And its the same with Israel - it exists and thats all there is to it. As to its right to the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, thats debateable and relevant today. 1946 isnt.

Would you have condemned the French Resistance?

As for the French Resistance - Look, Im tired of all this "Ohh such and such a group that are generally respected did X, hence X is respectable". If Martin Luther King raped a child would that make raping children something admirable?

Its a ****e argument. If the French Resistance had an accepted policy of recruiting people - including a boy of 10 who was so scared he bawled his eyes out at the checkpoint he was sent to attack whilst the IDF defused the bomb - and sending them on suicide bombing missions against school buses and birthday parties then they would be terrorists. End of.

And Im tired of the "desperation" exscuse for Palestinian terrorism. The Israelis have as much right to the "desperation" exscuse - they were being stuffed wholesale into ovens 60 years ago, theyre effectively constantly at war with their neighbours who are at the very least funding the terrorists who are killing their children, attacking schools, discos, pizza parlours. Their enemies are so fanatical they raise their children to be suicide bombers - Im sure their must be great grounds for negotiation in such an enviroment. You think they arent desperate too?

Boggle · 24-06-2005 12:08pm

I think you should prepare a thesis proving the Israelis have no right to the land they hold and send it the the Israeli embassy. When they realise their frightful mistake theyll certainly head off back to Europe, the US and Russia. Probably all a big misunderstanding.

Sarcasm really doesn't suit you...

Look at the Germans - after WW2 their was a massive, deliberate policy of ethnically cleansing German communities that had existed for centuries from Eastern Europe. Civillians were attacked, beaten, thrown out of their homes and marched hundreds of miles to the west. Borders were redrawn and swathes of "old" Germany were handed over to the Warsaw pact states. Was that wrong or right? Did these ethnic German civillians get what was coming to them? Conquerers justice perhaps?

Not even almost similar. Weak.

And its the same with Israel - it exists and thats all there is to it. As to its right to the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, thats debateable and relevant today. 1946 isnt.

How long so do you have to hold conquered land before a people should give up their claim for it?

And Im tired of the "desperation" exscuse for Palestinian terrorism. The Israelis have as much right to the "desperation" exscuse - they were being stuffed wholesale into ovens 60 years ago, theyre effectively constantly at war with their neighbours who are at the very least funding the terrorists who are killing their children, attacking schools, discos, pizza parlours.

1) The Palestinians never threw them into any ovens so why take their land?
2) Why the hell wouldn't the palestinians be attacking the Israeli's when they threw the people off their land and stripped them of their rights? And this still in living memory...

As for the French Resistance - Look, Im tired of all this "Ohh such and such a group that are generally respected did X, hence X is respectable". If Martin Luther King raped a child would that make raping children something admirable?

You seem under the impresion that the French resistance were angels...

bonkey · 24-06-2005 1:00pm

Sand wrote:

The Israelis have as much right to the "desperation" exscuse

Yes indeed they do. And just like the Palestinians, they too are wrong in their use of it.

jc

Horeb · 26-06-2005 8:27pm

The Amount of Anti-Semitism on this post is digusting from idiots who have never seen or been in Israel, the Fourth Reich is here and don't annoy me with this Palestinian Tripe you all go on with let me see:

1.) Gaza = people there are egypitian and Yugoslavian Muslim and hold Egypitian passports must be egyptian

2.) West Bank of the River Jordan = mmmm Jordanians with Jordanian passports.

A Football match and people have a stab at sports men and supporters the ignorance of this filthy country, oh yeah we are supposed christians mmm we pay for perverts to run riot in ours churches and we are so pure.

I was proud to wear the Israeli Flag at the match amongst the filthy Irish Behaviour, disgusting foul morons must be some here...

Israel will have the last laugh and you can all say and do what you want the fact is that the PA is the Pirate State and the Lands of Judea and Samaria will be in ISRAELI hands again and for good.

You are all driving by western sh1te media and bullsh1t but you know it all.

As for the filthy IRA who kill young girls, 30 years ago and then take the blame away from the brits are'nt they lovely to get involved in protests

DID IRISH FANS SORRY DRUNKARDS get a reception like that in Tel Aviv mmmmmmmmmm NO. Why because the Israeli people have more Balls and Respect that the Filth of this Island and anyone of you little ANTI-SEMTIC BASTARDS want some I will be at the next boards beer whenever it is and lets see how hard and dedicated you are to the FARCE that is the Palestinian cause.

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