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Limerick ghost town

  • 18-09-2011 10:41pm
    #1
    Registered Users Posts: 1,155 ✭✭✭


    I was in Limerick city last weekend for the first time in 4 or 5 years. I couldn't believe how quiet the city centre was and the amount of shops that are closed down. I accept that we are in a recession, but I was shocked nonetheless.

    On our second day, my wife wanted to go to the Crescent Shopping Centre. This was a wonderful surprise. It is as good, if not better, than the likes of Liffey Valley or Dundrum etc. As a retail experience, it was excellent. But the O'Connell Street/Cruises Street/ William Street area just seemed run down and desolate.

    But has this taken the life and soul out of the centre of Limerick? It saddened me because my memories of going to Limerick when I was a child were always ones of vibrancy and energy.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,823 ✭✭✭Poxyshamrock




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭gloobag


    Maybe Limerick should just start marketing itself as a dilapidated old ghost town? I'd say we'd get €10million into the city no bother :D

    We could stage reenactments of various shoot outs like they do in those old wild west towns in the states :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,659 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Maybe people should make an effort and shop in the city. It amazes me that so mnay complain about paying for parking in Limerick but are willing to use multstory car parks when they drive to Dublin or Cork. :eek:


  • Registered Users Posts: 903 ✭✭✭bernardo mac


    William St.is an example of what has happened in other towns and cities:Tacky,if sometimes useful,Eurostyle stores have replaced the traditional shops;difficult and penal parking.Some stores blast ultra loud "music" to attract a particular clientele but imho that only diminishes the reputation of what was once a fine shopping area


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    phog wrote: »
    Maybe people should make an effort and shop in the city. It amazes me that so mnay complain about paying for parking in Limerick but are willing to use multstory car parks when they drive to Dublin or Cork. :eek:


    I agree with you to a point. Speaking for myself I have no problem paying for parking be it in Limerick, Cork, Galway etc. But the one thing I do want is a good range of stores that interest me and where I would want to spend my money.

    Limerick city centre just does not have this range and it has been a number of years since it did.

    The excuse that is often given about parking is just a white elephant that gets trotted out to avoid the fact that Limerick as a city centre has a store range closer to that of a big town than that of a city.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭hightower1


    Kess73 wrote: »
    I agree with you to a point. Speaking for myself I have no problem paying for parking be it in Limerick, Cork, Galway etc. But the one thing I do want is a good range of stores that interest me and where I would want to spend my money.

    Limerick city centre just does not have this range and it has been a number of years since it did.

    The excuse that is often given about parking is just a white elephant that gets trotted out to avoid the fact that Limerick as a city centre has a store range closer to that of a big town than that of a city.


    Completely agree. The range of shops in the city is terrible.
    If your a male between 18- 40 and want some fashionible clothes that arent part of the scumbag uniform you have a choice of 3 shops in the cit center (River island, connelys or jack jones) ....3.... in the entire city center. What a joke.

    I had to pick up a birthday present for my small brother last week and I live in the city center, off into town I trot to realise the ONLY place top get toys for a young child (not a toddler) was argos. WTF?

    plenty of places to buy booze or video games which sounds great but in practice if you actualy just want to browse in the city its ridiculous.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭gloobag


    I have to agree with what's been said. I live out in Raheen myself, but there's absolutley nothing that would entice me into the city during the day. In fact up until a few weeks back I hadn't been to the city centre during the day for over two years. And even then it was for a photo shoot (models choice, not mine) and not to shop/wander/enjoy the ambience. It was a gorgeous Saturday afternoon, the sun was shining, but as the OP said, it was a ghost town.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16 demon1


    Have to agree with what's said. Had to buy a new computer monitor and some networking equipment recently. I live in the city center but had to travel out to the childer's road to PC world to have any choice.


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,659 ✭✭✭✭phog


    But we did have some of most of the stores (aside from M&S ;) ) in the city centre and they just got squeezed out the foot fall wasnt there for them, hard for people to complain now when the stores weren't supported when they had a presence in the city.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    The upgrade will include the installation of a new one way traffic system, the widening of footpaths and the opening up of part of the square to pedestrians.

    Wow! I have mates in Australia and Canada that can't wait to fly over to see those! :rolleyes:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 870 ✭✭✭Jagle


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    Wow! I have mates in Australia and Canada that can't wait to fly over to see those! :rolleyes:

    indeed, i mean i look at the thomas and now william street area, after putting down new footpaths the tourists just flock to watch scum drink on the street and cause fights...

    who ever thinks that revamp will do anything other then waste is a joke.

    and worst part of all is, there is never anyone around their anyway, why would someone walk up that part of town, nothing their but funeral homes, old churchs an offie and chipshop


  • Registered Users Posts: 871 ✭✭✭savagecabbages


    Jagle wrote: »
    indeed, i mean i look at the thomas and now william street area, after putting down new footpaths the tourists just flock to watch scum drink on the street and cause fights...

    who ever thinks that revamp will do anything other then waste is a joke.

    and worst part of all is, there is never anyone around their anyway, why would someone walk up that part of town, nothing their but funeral homes, old churchs an offie and chipshop

    Lets not forget the jewel in the squares crown that is Mr Binman!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 870 ✭✭✭Jagle


    Lets not forget the jewel in the squares crown that is Mr Binman!


    and a doctors office too...

    and another pharmacy, actually, why so many bloody pharmacy's in the city


    anyone point is, what a waste of a million bucks, least the winos will ahve somewhere nice to drink by the fountain now


  • Registered Users Posts: 666 ✭✭✭constantg


    Jagle wrote: »
    indeed, i mean i look at the thomas and now william street area, after putting down new footpaths the tourists just flock to watch scum drink on the street and cause fights..

    Yeah kinda surprised by that one guys, its kinda weird being form cork and having worked/studied in Cork City, Dublin, Galway, Kilkenny and seeing more than a few people wander about the streets of Limerick at all hours drinking away.....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,916 ✭✭✭RonMexico


    The closer we get to the zombie festival the funnier I think it is being held in Limerick (in a morbid dark sense of humour kind of way)

    Maybe Bord Failte could market the place as Zombie City. It could be worth €10million to the city...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 563 ✭✭✭BESman


    constantg wrote: »
    Yeah kinda surprised by that one guys, its kinda weird being form cork and having worked/studied in Cork City, Dublin, Galway, Kilkenny and seeing more than a few people wander about the streets of Limerick at all hours drinking away.....

    Yup, I think Limerick is the worst for purely bizarre behaviour at all hours of the day. Too many beggars as well. Limerick has zero tourism and this is a big problem. Tourists in Dublin, Cork and Galway make up for the lack of footfall from domestic consumers. Limerick also lacks a decent sized university in the city centre. UL is too removed and Mary I and LIT are too small. Cork and Galway both have a large university campus in the city centre with 15,000 to 20,000 people being added to each city centre as a result.


  • Registered Users Posts: 666 ✭✭✭constantg


    I haven't lived here really for long enough to be able to say with any certainty, but in 8 years I can say though the place has dis-improved, it wasn't too great to begin with. Can anyone tell me when the city was better? Like what yardstick are we using here to measuer success or failure?


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    constantg wrote: »
    I haven't lived here really for long enough to be able to say with any certainty, but in 8 years I can say though the place has dis-improved, it wasn't too great to begin with. Can anyone tell me when the city was better? Like what yardstick are we using here to measuer success or failure?


    Just thinking back to what Limerick city centre was like around 1991 to 1999 or so.

    There was the O'Connell Mall (which was Woolworths before that) which had Tony's Music scene (there may be a theme here with me remembering music shops lol), the next block up had Nestors sports store and Empire music straight across from it (think Empire was in the Williamscourt mall before that).

    Downstairs in Todds/Brown Thomas had a Golden disc store. Arthur's quay had a golden discs store. Tots to teens had a music store under it, and HMV is where it is now. Plus there were music shops like Black spot and the one in the celler on Cecil street.

    Patrick street had a Forbidden planet store, and there were far more by way of clothes shops, electrical shops etc.

    There was a Sony centre on O Connell street, plus genelles (spelling) newsagent. There were great pubs like Quins knocking about as well as places like Javas.

    Cruises street had full units as did Arthur's Quay

    Boyds was busy on William street and Roches Stores was where Debenhams is now. Sarsfield Bridge had Dunnes stores beside it and there were other shops in that centre. Around the corner on Liddy street there was an electrical store, a paint shop, and a few other shops.


    There were cinemas at the Theatre royal, plus at the Carlton on Shannon street and Central on Bedford row. Then there was a cinema at the Savoy on bedford row which also had a bowling alley, and a venue for live gigs and for clubbing.

    The Crescent Shopping centre was still busy (the new section, which is basically from Lifestyle sports to River Island, was not built until the late 1990's if memory serves right) as it had been since it opened in 1973.

    The Parkway shopping centre was also pretty much stocked with full units.

    The Jetland was a big Dunnes stores.

    Towards the end of the decade the Dock road had the likes of Compustore etc in the Riverside Business park which at the time was full in terms of units as well.


    I'm sure that there are plenty of Limerick heads on here that can remember lots of other busy stores during that time.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 870 ✭✭✭Jagle


    +1 remember all of that, so much more life 10 years ago


  • Registered Users Posts: 252 ✭✭theparish


    Its all the fault of the new polished sandstone on the upgraded streets,death traps I tell ya death traps.:eek:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,048 ✭✭✭Amazotheamazing


    Hmm, the rise of the Crescent and decline of the city centre....

    More tellingly, a lot of shops went to wall when the internet came in, music shops, specialist stores etc.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,015 ✭✭✭✭Mc Love


    The extension on the Crescent was built in the early 00's as I remember working in Tesco when I was 16 and from the canteen window you could see them building the underground carpark.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,823 ✭✭✭Poxyshamrock


    Mc Love wrote: »
    The extension on the Crescent was built in the early 00's as I remember working in Tesco when I was 16 and from the canteen window you could see them building the underground carpark.

    Yeah it would have commenced in 2000 with the first shops opening in June 2001!


  • Registered Users Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    Yeah it would have commenced in 2000 with the first shops opening in June 2001!

    I worked in the Omniplex in 2000 and it was under construction at that stage because we had to cross the car park to get to the cinema, its mad how far away it was from the crescent, which used to end right about where that zumo juice bar and claires accessories is, from there on is the extension.

    the town has gone to sh1t in recent months though, I go in there twice a month, once to get a prescription and another to buy a magazine that most places dont sell, if Easons had a shop in the crescent I'd have even less reason to go in there.


  • Registered Users Posts: 667 ✭✭✭Cherrycoke


    [QUOTE=Jagle;74483384and worst part of all is, there is never anyone around their anyway, why would someone walk up that part of town, nothing their but funeral homes, old churchs an offie and chipshop[/QUOTE]

    There's actually a lot of people living in this area, myself included :rolleyes:

    Crosses Funeral home is one of the most used funeral homes in the city, Fords chipper is probably the best known chipper, and one of those "old churches" is a stunning cathedral, in my opinion, the most beautiful in Limerick.

    It's not fair to dismiss the area just because it isn't of any interest/use to you


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,823 ✭✭✭Poxyshamrock


    krudler wrote: »
    I worked in the Omniplex in 2000 and it was under construction at that stage because we had to cross the car park to get to the cinema

    It's mad to think the Omniplex once had a big set of steps up to it!


  • Registered Users Posts: 395 ✭✭Simon Adebisi


    Ha, id forgotten that. We went to see Sleepy Hollow years ago half cut and i fell up them steps :D

    The city centre is bollixed but its nearly eerie after 7 or 8 its gone so quiet.


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    Hmm, the rise of the Crescent and decline of the city centre....

    More tellingly, a lot of shops went to wall when the internet came in, music shops, specialist stores etc.



    The Crescent opened in 1973 so it should have had an effect on the city centre a lot sooner than the start of the 2000's. Even before the new section it had over 70 stores in it so blaming the Crescent for the decline of the city centre is a bit of a cop out imho.

    Granted the internet would have had a big impact on some stores, but many of the brands (or very similar types of retail) that were in Limerick city centre 10 years ago, 15 years ago etc are still doing well in the likes of Cork city centre. A wide variety of clothes shops (both independent and chain), music shops, comic stores, book stores etc are all doing well on Patrick street in Cork and on many of the streets off of there.

    What is interesting is how things like rates and rent in the city centre started to skyrocket towards the end of the 90's and have pretty much continued to do so to this day. Cork and Galway on the other hand have rates now that are something like 25% less than they were there 10 years ago. To me that looks like their city authoritioes reacted quickly when the downturn started whereas their Limerick counterparts continued to try to squeeze whatever they could from retailers and businesses. Hence why many businesses have left Limerick city centre in recent years to set up elsewhere and have quoted to the media that the high rates were a major part in why they moved.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭hightower1


    Cherrycoke wrote: »
    There's actually a lot of people living in this area, myself included :rolleyes:

    Crosses Funeral home is one of the most used funeral homes in the city, Fords chipper is probably the best known chipper, and one of those "old churches" is a stunning cathedral, in my opinion, the most beautiful in Limerick.

    It's not fair to dismiss the area just because it isn't of any interest/use to you

    I used to live on john street and I can say without a doubt that it IS a Kip. The amount of hassle youd get in a month for simply walking home there is a joke and sure the church is nice but I would go there week after week just to see something beautiful again and again least of all which while your looking up all you'll hear is the scumbag accent surround you down there.

    The other points of crosses being the most used funeral home is irrelivent, yeah, its a popular funeral home? Does that redeem the area at all? Is it a nice or use full reason to visit there for the casual shopper?

    Donkey fords is one of the scummiest chippers in existence and certainly not worth the trip to that street unless ur mad after its unique taste, don't mind the accents round that area for ten mins and have a car you can run in and out of to minimize the time spent down there.

    /end rant, bottom line..its a hole.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,048 ✭✭✭Amazotheamazing


    Kess73 wrote: »
    The Crescent opened in 1973 so it should have had an effect on the city centre a lot sooner than the start of the 2000's. Even before the new section it had over 70 stores in it so blaming the Crescent for the decline of the city centre is a bit of a cop out imho.

    Granted the internet would have had a big impact on some stores, but many of the brands (or very similar types of retail) that were in Limerick city centre 10 years ago, 15 years ago etc are still doing well in the likes of Cork city centre. A wide variety of clothes shops (both independent and chain), music shops, comic stores, book stores etc are all doing well on Patrick street in Cork and on many of the streets off of there.

    What is interesting is how things like rates and rent in the city centre started to skyrocket towards the end of the 90's and have pretty much continued to do so to this day. Cork and Galway on the other hand have rates now that are something like 25% less than they were there 10 years ago. To me that looks like their city authoritioes reacted quickly when the downturn started whereas their Limerick counterparts continued to try to squeeze whatever they could from retailers and businesses. Hence why many businesses have left Limerick city centre in recent years to set up elsewhere and have quoted to the media that the high rates were a major part in why they moved.

    I disagree tbh, loads of the best specialist shops in Galway have closed down too. Shop Street in Galway, for example, used to have way more independent shops but slowly but surely they are being replaced with phone shops and tourist shops and this process will continue everywhere in Ireland.

    Even Grafton street is getting more homogenised year on year.

    Also, I would say the Crescent did have an effect on the city centre from the 1970's on, it just became more pronounced when the new wing opened.


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