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AES - Wheelie bins gone from weekly collection to fortnightly!

  • 02-02-2015 8:51pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 2,359 ✭✭✭


    Anyone else on here pissed off about the bins going to a fortnightly collection with AES?

    Its like getting half the service for the same price. We would always fill our wheelie bin each week as we have a growing family, but its overflowing every fortnight now and christmas time was ridiculous with the amount of rubbish that is normally produced around that time of year anyway.

    They say its because they are going to a pay by weight model in July?!?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 406 ✭✭BRYAN Is Ainm Dom


    Where are yo getting that info from. I never received any confirmation of this from AES and cannot see it on their website.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,359 ✭✭✭Access


    Where are yo getting that info from. I never received any confirmation of this from AES and cannot see it on their website.

    This has been in since christmas on our route (outside Navan) - Got a letter before christmas week and its getting to be a hassle over the past few weeks.

    http://www.meathchronicle.ie/news/roundup/articles/2015/01/09/4034943-anger-as-bin-collections-go-fortnightly/


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,011 ✭✭✭Vego


    Errr maybe go and change supplier ....panda are local and cheaper tag a bin not so local also cheaper


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,298 ✭✭✭martinr5232


    Tag a bin have sold a lot of theyre route to Aes and i dont think panda collect in all of meath they dont in my area anyway so there is no options for a lot of people.
    I wouldnt mind we changed from aes to tag a bin because of aes putting up prices looks like they can do what they want now.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,359 ✭✭✭Access


    Tag a bin have sold a lot of theyre route to Aes and i dont think panda collect in all of meath they dont in my area anyway so there is no options for a lot of people.
    I wouldnt mind we changed from aes to tag a bin because of aes putting up prices looks like they can do what they want now.

    Martinr5232 is right... We have no other options on our route. So its not that easy to swap Vego.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,406 ✭✭✭chewed


    As well as AES, Mahons are also going fortnightly, yet not reducing their prices!

    There's nothing on their site as well. When I rang Mahon's I was told it's all to do with new EU regulations for food/bio waste. She told me I would be getting a 3rd bin for food waste. Yet, there was nothing on the letter about this! She said I should have got a letter explaining the reason.

    On the (only) letter I did receive, it states "In 90% of the households covered we have determined that a bi-weekly collection of the waste and recycle bins is sufficient to meet your needs". This seems to contradict what I was told on the phone! I'm still waiting to receive the letter explaining the food waste bin.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,715 ✭✭✭niallb


    I'm with Mahon's too, and only paid up for another year in November.
    I'm planning on calculating how many lifts I paid for and requesting them to extend my contract out that far rather than try to get a refund.

    Happy to hear about a 3rd bin though.
    I'm pushing the amount of compost I can cope with at the moment :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Thorntons are doing the same for 2015.

    Doesn't quite work for us who put the bin out roughly every 3 weeks :confused:

    As it's charge per lift. They will be getting an overflowing bin every 4 weeks as opposed to a half full bin (or 2/3's if you're being anal) every 2 weeks.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,406 ✭✭✭chewed


    Does this not sound like a cartel between all the different waste companies?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,359 ✭✭✭Access


    Wait for it... Give it a month or two and the ditches in the countryside will be full of black bags again. Illegal dumping will escalate again no doubt!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    chewed wrote: »
    Does this not sound like a cartel between all the different waste companies?

    No harm in contacting the newly formed competition and consumer protection commission. I'll let you know how the response goes.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Done:
    It came to my attention that my current waste provider "Thornton's Recycling" , who cover Co. Meath, are reducing their rate of collection for general waste from weekly to once every fortnight.

    Our household typically fills one wheelie bin every three weeks so we are faced with the options of putting a 2/3 full bin out every two weeks, which will cost us more due to the extra lifts involved. Or, putting an overly full bin out every 4 weeks, which will cost us less but with the added risk of the bin not being collected due to overfilling.

    Investigating our options in terms of providers it turns out that two more providers in the area are just this year (2015) also moving to fortnightly collections.

    When dealing with rubbish one might expect to encounter a furry friend from the order Rodentia. However, I hope this is not the case with regards collusion between several providers of what is, give or take, the same service.

    My query, is, is there sufficient grounds to make such an accusation based on the details provided above. And if not, what should be my next course of action as I don't envisage simply leaving this be.

    PS: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=94160617#post94160617
    Thank you for your query to The Competition and Consumer Protection Commission. We will respond to you within 3 working days. - See more at: http://www.consumerhelp.ie/index.jsp?p=109&n=158&a=396#sthash.nFZVmtTA.dpuf


  • Registered Users Posts: 259 ✭✭Brianmeath


    It's a fair joke. You will pay us the same amount as last year for half the service.


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 10,857 Mod ✭✭✭✭PauloMN


    chewed wrote: »
    As well as AES, Mahons are also going fortnightly, yet not reducing their prices!

    There's nothing on their site as well. When I rang Mahon's I was told it's all to do with new EU regulations for food/bio waste. She told me I would be getting a 3rd bin for food waste. Yet, there was nothing on the letter about this! She said I should have got a letter explaining the reason.

    On the (only) letter I did receive, it states "In 90% of the households covered we have determined that a bi-weekly collection of the waste and recycle bins is sufficient to meet your needs". This seems to contradict what I was told on the phone! I'm still waiting to receive the letter explaining the food waste bin.

    It seems Panda are taking over Mahons, as I found out when I rang Mahons to send me a 2015 collection calendar. Got a letter from Mahons last week explaining about the brown bin and the bi-weekly collections. No mention of Panda in that letter for some reason, but if you ring Mahons you get put through to Panda.

    I seem to remember getting a letter from Mahons about 3 years ago saying we were shortly getting a brown bin, but nothing ever happened.

    We hardly fill our waste bin in the winter, so the bi-weekly collection doesn't bother me, but I wish they'd collect the recycle bin more as that's the one we fill most. The waste bin can get filled quick enough in the summer as I put grass cuttings into it.

    I guess Mahons/Panda will move towards a pay-by-weight and per-lift system as per the others also now, rather than the single annual sub.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,360 ✭✭✭washiskin


    I got that letter form AES before Christmas & emailed them saying I expected the bill for 2015 to reflect the twice monthly collection. got no reply so decided to wait for the letter looking for payment to arrive - when it did I was expected to fork out 300 lids for the privilege. Rang them and some impudent little get told me I was indeed privileged to have enjoyed a weekly collection before this and I could take it or leave it with a discount, I said expecting the same money for half was a bit rich to which he snapped that that was the service other routes had been getting & now it was this route's turn.

    Was considering going with Panda (very reluctantly) but if they are going bi-weekly too I don't see much point.:mad:

    BTW, marked increase in black sacks appearing in the local ditches already.... :mad::mad:


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    There you have it:
    Dear Mr. Dubhgeannain,

    Thank you for contacting the Competition and Consumer Protection Commission with your contract query for waste disposal.

    In the first instance, if the company wish to amend their terms and conditions and change the type of bin they provide as part of their collection service, this would be considered a commercial decision by the company. It would be considered good business practice that the company notify their customers of any changes to their contracts and we understand that the company did inform you of the changes of collection. If, however, you feel that this is a significant alteration to the original contract, you may be entitled to cancel the contract without penalty and move to a different provider. This should be discussed with the company in the first instance, if you wish to proceed in this manner.

    You can find general information on waste service contracts on our website, here;

    http://www.consumerhelp.ie/waste-collection-services

    With regards to the environmental regulations and the safety aspect of your issue with the bins not being collected within certain time frames, we would suggest that you refer this part of your complaint to the Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government:

    http://www.environ.ie/en/ContactUs/

    Based on the information provided in the attachment enclosed with your email, this is a civil matter to be resolved between the parties involved and therefore not one in which the Commission can become involved. However, if you have any additional evidence in relation to the competition aspect of your complaint, you can submit a complaint regarding this issue, here;

    http://www.tca.ie/Complaints.aspx

    We would also suggest that you review your areas waste management plan:

    http://www.environ.ie/en/Publications/Environment/Waste/WasteManagement/FileDownLoad,37567,en.pdf

    We hope you have found this information useful and if you have any further consumer related queries please do not hesitate to contact us on 1890 432 432 or (01) 4025555.

    Yours Sincerely,
    <snip>

    The content of this E-Mail is provided for information purposes only. It does not constitute legal advice and should not be relied upon in that regard.

    Summary,
    (1) Need additional evidence in relation to the competition aspect of the complaint for the CCPC to get involved. Otherwise it is just a civil matter regarding contracted services.

    (2) In terms of the health and safety aspects of the bins not being collected as often then we can contact the Department of the Environment.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,928 ✭✭✭Irish Aris


    I was also a tag-a-bin customer. I live in Grangerath, Drogheda (which is in co.Meath).

    In the schedule they sent me, they still mention same collection pattern, weekly for general waste, fortnightly for recycle.
    (I will admit that I haven't checked it yet, as I wasn't always around the last couple of weeks, will see what's the story during February).

    That thing with the fee paid in advance is really handled from their side.
    I created an online account with AES yesterday. I discovered that I could make a payment online for whatever amount I wanted. To me it looked like a top-up account of sorts. So I paid for 5 months. Now my account shows that I still owe them 147 EUR for 2014, but also that my service is covered until the end of June. A bit confusing, I have to say.
    But I do agree that the way they have created the bill, it looks like they are looking for the whole year's fee in advance.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9 elBootho


    Once you get the brown bin you'll have little need for the main bin any more. You'd be surprised how much of it is food waste and that'll be all going in the brown bin.
    The pay per weight model on the black bin is going to be mandatory, it's in the new regulations that came from an EU directive designed to reduce landfill and get people recycling compostable waste.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,359 ✭✭✭Access


    elBootho wrote: »
    Once you get the brown bin you'll have little need for the main bin any more. You'd be surprised how much of it is food waste and that'll be all going in the brown bin.
    The pay per weight model on the black bin is going to be mandatory, it's in the new regulations that came from an EU directive designed to reduce landfill and get people recycling compostable waste.

    Yeah, but it doesnt explain why we are paying the exact same for half the amount of collections.


  • Registered Users Posts: 35,573 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Best thing you can do it use food bin and recycling bin and get rid of the black bin. No need for a black bin, unless you have nappies.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,966 ✭✭✭Soups123


    Just as an FYI I went out to Thorntons on this and they gave me a second black bin, They collect both bins every second Tuesday which does the same job for me just with the hassle of having two awkward looking things out the back window


  • Registered Users Posts: 51 ✭✭ali123


    Completely disgusted with Mahons,

    As of this week our collection is changed to fortnightly due to the Compost bin.

    Rang to see when we would be getting our Compost bin and was told 2-3 months!!!!!!!!!!!!! Has anyone received these yet from Mahons?

    What are we supposed to do til then.

    Anyone recommend any other bin collectors in the Trim area as I will definitely be changing in June.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,406 ✭✭✭chewed


    ali123 wrote: »
    Completely disgusted with Mahons,

    As of this week our collection is changed to fortnightly due to the Compost bin.

    Rang to see when we would be getting our Compost bin and was told 2-3 months!!!!!!!!!!!!! Has anyone received these yet from Mahons?

    What are we supposed to do til then.

    Anyone recommend any other bin collectors in the Trim area as I will definitely be changing in June.

    I was wondering when we'd get the compost bin as well. I received the letter explaining the collection dates, but not a mention of the compost bin.


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 10,857 Mod ✭✭✭✭PauloMN


    ali123 wrote: »
    Completely disgusted with Mahons,

    As of this week our collection is changed to fortnightly due to the Compost bin.

    Rang to see when we would be getting our Compost bin and was told 2-3 months!!!!!!!!!!!!! Has anyone received these yet from Mahons?

    What are we supposed to do til then.

    Anyone recommend any other bin collectors in the Trim area as I will definitely be changing in June.

    That's ridiculous, they should not introduce the new collection schedule if you don't have a compost bin.

    We got our compost bin about a month ago (I'm in Trim). Still had not got the collection calendar for 2015 after numerous phone calls up to last week. Finally got it the other day.


  • Registered Users Posts: 51 ✭✭ali123


    I just think its a disgrace feel like we are being badly treated as we don't have many alternatives.

    I couldn't believe it when my husband called them and they said it could be three months.

    Trim is hardly that big and if it is such an issue to deliver a few thousand bins then set up a collection depot, I'm sure most people would prefer to collect their bin than have to wait 3 months.

    I'm wondering if I rand as a new customer would I be told the same?


  • Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭nirvana78


    I couldn't help but fill you in on our bin collection situation. We are based in Offaly and up until last week were getting both bins collected each week by Mahons. Out of the blue get this letter saying they are discontinuing the service and will pass on our name and address to AES. AES only collect every fortnight, so now we're going to be paying at least the same amount of money if not more for half the service!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 187 ✭✭coolabula


    nirvana78 wrote: »
    I couldn't help but fill you in on our bin collection situation. We are based in Offaly and up until last week were getting both bins collected each week by Mahons. Out of the blue get this letter saying they are discontinuing the service and will pass on our name and address to AES. AES only collect every fortnight, so now we're going to be paying at least the same amount of money if not more for half the service!!

    I'm in westmeath and I'm the same situation. Mahons posted me a bill for €312 for the coming year, then a letter saying aes are taking over collections. Mahons are part of panda now and I can still keep my account with them even though aes are managing collections. So I can pay mahons €312 for a reduced service or go online and switch to aes for €294!!!!
    Still not sure if tags might be the way to go, I have heard nothing about brown bins


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,359 ✭✭✭Access


    We dont start getting charged by weight till June as far as i can gather.

    So that is roughly 6 or 7 fortnightly waste collections between now and then.

    So i am filling every spare inch of room on top of my normal waste with rocks, old bricks and anything else i can find behind the shed.

    Aes are charged per tonne landfill levys so a few extra kgs from me till june might not be big to them but would at least make me feel better!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,813 ✭✭✭chrysagon


    cartel springs to mind!

    And you can forget customer service,they don't need to provide a smile with their service as theres a lack of competition!!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 827 ✭✭✭Jonnykitedude


    I called them and demanded a bigger bin as they are only colleting every two weeks....sent me out the larger bin no problem. I was told that charges are coming in around June/July time.


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