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What happens if People decide enough is enough and take to the streets?

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  • #122
    Foxhound38
    Registered Users Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭Foxhound38


    Deleted User wrote: »
    This video says it all! It's NOT the residents protesting!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOO3VWDUziY

    Who are these idiots?


  • #123
    Jonny7
    Registered Users Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    Foxhound38 wrote: »
    Who are these idiots?

    4 people who really, really don't want to pay for water apparently


  • #124
    For Forks Sake
    Registered Users Posts: 11,470 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    Foxhound38 wrote: »
    Who are these idiots?

    Ah, Ballyphehane, or translated 'Village of the Freemen'. Home to a wide variety of headbangers.

    There has been plenty of mention of them in the Freemen thread in Legal Discussion.. They've even been known to hold their own trials


  • #125
    Foxhound38
    Registered Users Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭Foxhound38


    For Forks Sake wrote: »
    Ah, Ballyphehane, or translated 'Village of the Freemen'. Home to a wide variety of headbangers.

    There has been plenty of mention of them in the Freemen thread in Legal Discussion.. They've even been known to hold their own trials

    Ah, these lads so!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iRCD54tWBQ


  • #126
    washman3
    Registered Users Posts: 3,646 ✭✭✭washman3


    BuilderPlumber wrote: »
    Ireland would not survive with small government. Things are not equipped at all for that culturally. As said, there are too many greedy people who care more about high profits than the good of their fellow man and doing a good service. Just listen to the likes of Bill Cullen and Michael O'Leary for proof. Their policies are good for themselves and their families ONLY!!

    And now this charleten Bill Cullen reckons he doesn't have to pay back €8.2 million he borrowed during the 'Celtic Tiger'
    His brass neck and arrogance just beggars belief. And to think that this guy was constantly wheeled out as, an example by the media, as to how we should all aspire to become. Still makes my blood boil when I remember him telling people to work for free. Indeed it often looks like our Government got their Job-bridge brainwave from the great Bill, young people stacking shelves in Tesco etc allowing these capitalist companies to make even more millions..:mad:


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  • #127
    Greenmachine
    Registered Users Posts: 5,063 ✭✭✭Greenmachine


    washman3 wrote: »
    And now this charleten Bill Cullen reckons he doesn't have to pay back €8.2 million he borrowed during the 'Celtic Tiger'
    His brass neck and arrogance just beggars belief. And to think that this guy was constantly wheeled out as, an example by the media, as to how we should all aspire to become. Still makes my blood boil when I remember him telling people to work for free. Indeed it often looks like our Government got their Job-bridge brainwave from the great Bill, young people stacking shelves in Tesco etc allowing these capitalist companies to make even more millions..:mad:

    Cut from a similar cloth as Charles J. Haughey, and Bertie Ahern. Let the muppet stay in a hostel.


  • #128
    washman3
    Registered Users Posts: 3,646 ✭✭✭washman3


    Greenmachine wrote: »
    Cut from a similar cloth as Charles J. Haughey, and Bertie Ahern. Let the muppet stay in a hostel.

    He would probably expect the taxpayer to pay for the hostel too.
    But no worries, his cronies in power, whom he has always been a cheerleader for, will look after him...!!


  • #129
    micosoft
    Registered Users Posts: 2,359 ✭✭✭micosoft


    emo72 wrote: »
    thats the message that the government are trying to get out,that things are improving. i can honestly say that since the new year i have never seen the retail sector as bad. im talking the worse ive seen since ever. im shocked when figures are released showing improvements.

    as for unemployment figures, they should also release jobsbridge and other such schemes also. the true figure may be closer to 500k?

    remember a couple of weeks ago FG spent a week of dail time pushing the positives they had achieved? that was to try impress on us how good things are coming up to the locals. well things are dire. and the true state of things will be hidden for as long as possible. i never realised spin had gotten so big in ireland.

    So I must be imagining the extra traffic on the roads everyday. Imaging I saw enormous queues for the Christmas village on Stephens Green. Imagining the crowds in Kildare village travelling from all over for the luxury goods shopping.

    You're as bad as the Government when it comes to spin. But at least when the Government/political parties exaggerate it's arguably for the good - consumer confidence = jobs. When people like you exaggerate negatively it is entirely for negative reasons and helps nobody. And I'm not talking about cheerleading. I'm talking about making up "negative" views when everyone I've spoken in the hospitality and retail sector is quickly pleased at how the economy is doing. The figures factually back that up.


  • #130
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    To answer the question posed by this thread when it was initially started, I think we have now established that what happens when people finally take to the streets and protest is that we win and the government backs down spectacularly. :)


  • #131
    NIMAN
    Registered Users Posts: 32,975 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Wondering how these people think the country is meant to function?

    They don't want to pay for water, or for a household charge or for anything else, they want free healthcare, increased child benefit, increased minimum wage, increase benefits etc.

    The Troika already hinted today that if the money is not gathered from the promised water charges then it might have to be got from further austerity.

    I just just like a straight answer to where all this money is meant to come from?


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  • #132
    kikidelvin
    Registered Users Posts: 109 ✭✭kikidelvin


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Wondering how these people think the country is meant to function?

    They don't want to pay for water, or for a household charge or for anything else, they want free healthcare, increased child benefit, increased minimum wage, increase benefits etc.

    The Troika already hinted today that if the money is not gathered from the promised water charges then it might have to be got from further austerity.

    I just just like a straight answer to where all this money is meant to come from?
    We have been paying high taxes that has paid for all of these things mentioned,now they want us to pay again .:(


  • #133
    Essien
    Registered Users Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭Essien


    kikidelvin wrote: »
    We have been paying high taxes that has paid for all of these things mentioned,now they want us to pay again .:(

    You'd imagine we wouldn't have several billion euros of a deficit in our national budget then.


  • #134
    relax carry on
    Registered Users Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭relax carry on


    kikidelvin wrote: »
    We have been paying high taxes that has paid for all of these things mentioned,now they want us to pay again .:(

    Not enough. We spend far more than we take in, hence we have to keep borrowing to keep the country running.

    A better argument to have would be are getting value for the money we are spending to run the country and can it be done more cost effectively.


  • #135
    kartoonhead
    Registered Users Posts: 39 ✭kartoonhead


    roll on the 10th december ...dont pay not a cent


  • #136
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Love this piece in todays Sindo - an apology to Paul Murphy TD http://www.independent.ie/news/paul-murphy-td-an-apology-30765893.html


  • #137
    Icepick
    Registered Users Posts: 2,454 ✭✭✭Icepick


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Love this piece in todays Sindo - an apology to Paul Murphy TD http://www.independent.ie/news/paul-murphy-td-an-apology-30765893.html
    €1,343,117 in salary, expenses, staff costs and various other outgoings in 3 years

    Yet these socialists would have you believe they all live like hermits, who understand what it is to be poor.


  • #138
    ThunbergsAreGo
    Registered Users Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    Icepick wrote: »
    €1,343,117 in salary, expenses, staff costs and various other outgoings in 3 years

    Yet these socialists would have you believe they all live like hermits, who understand what it is to be poor.

    For some reason i read that as €1,343 initally. That is mental money!!


  • #139
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    lol

    I'd love to see the breakdown in that 1.3mn

    Maybe spent on all that champagne?

    Or how about you have educated people that could make more but instead want to help a community? Look at the issues they stand for.


  • #140
    Icepick
    Registered Users Posts: 2,454 ✭✭✭Icepick


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Wondering how these people think the country is meant to function?

    They don't want to pay for water, or for a household charge or for anything else, they want free healthcare, increased child benefit, increased minimum wage, increase benefits etc.

    The Troika already hinted today that if the money is not gathered from the promised water charges then it might have to be got from further austerity.

    I just just like a straight answer to where all this money is meant to come from?
    Billionaries are gonna pay for everything. At least that's what SF and the other socialists tell us all the time.


  • #141
    fr336
    Registered Users Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    Icepick wrote: »
    Billionaries are gonna pay for everything. At least that's what SF and the other socialists tell us all the time.

    Don't call me a socialist but nobody's 'work' is worth billions, let alone the vast majority of billionaires. That is obscene wealth and it should be banned. Nobody on the planet gets by completely independently, and in any organised society they do so very much with that society's assistance either directly or indirectly.


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  • #142
    BuilderPlumber
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,378 ✭✭✭BuilderPlumber


    Icepick wrote: »
    €1,343,117 in salary, expenses, staff costs and various other outgoings in 3 years

    Yet these socialists would have you believe they all live like hermits, who understand what it is to be poor.

    Yes. No mistake about it, these guys are 100% capitalist. Just like some of these so-called socialists 'on the side of the poor':

    Joseph Stalin: practically industrialised the USSR/Russia. Under the banner of collective farms, he continued the Tsarist landlord system and he and his cronies did extremely well and made his country the second most powerful in the world. But wealth was not distributed equally: Stalin and his friends/supporters did well but the regime also presided over a system that was brutal to opponents and where extreme poverty lived side by side with extreme wealth. The Red Tsar.

    Ayatollahs Khomeini and Khamenei: 2 former priests, they fronted the Islamic Revolutionary Guards controlled Republic of Iran. Only thing, there was no Republic. Both occupied the position of Shah/King and were unelected. Both were officially said to live in poverty and both voiced support for the poor across the world. Only thing is: black South Africans were entitled to their freedoms, Western governments were on the side of the rich and all the world's population deserved democracy, freedom and equal distribution of wealth. Apart from Iranians that is! The reality was a regime that imposed almost Taliban like laws on the poor while the regime and its rich Bazaar friends lived in luxury.

    Nicolai Ceaucescu: Ironically, Ceaucescu was cosying up to Shah Khamenei on a visit to Tehran days before he was killed on his return to Romania. On hindsight, he should have joined Iran's 'Islamic socialist' regime! Instead, he returned home to face execution. Ceaucescu like the others acted like a king and again imposed repressive laws on his people (a communist Taliban you could say albeit nothing like those of Pol Pot) inspired by that lovely gentleman Kim Il Sung of that lovely lovely paradise of North Korea. Meanwhile, he and his wife lived in luxury.

    Of course, Pol Pot, the Taliban, the Kims, Milosevic, etc. all likewise voiced their support for the poor. Yet all created more poverty. Apart from Stalin and Russia, they other countries (Romania, Iran, Serbia, Korea, Cambodia and Afghanistan became poorer because of the great socialists who gained power).

    Coppinger and Murphy sound very like what many of the above said. Rather scary too is they act the same too.


  • #143
    theNooge
    Registered Users Posts: 1 ✭theNooge


    A thoroughly well researched and accurate piece by the Sindo....no doubt that's why it's been taken down!!!!!! (There's no icon with an extended middle finger.)


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