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FF long term election strategy & 2016 celebrations

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  • #32
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    FlutterinBantam wrote: »
    Why are (.....)forum;)

    That wasn't what I was referring to, as well you know.


  • #33
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    trapsagenius wrote: »

    Before I go any further-how is commemorating 1916, in the south anyway, "triumphalist"?.

    I suspect that he's inserted that as an attempted dig at me, as I reported a thread of his on those grounds. I would pay it no heed.


  • #34
    Coillte_Bhoy
    Registered Users Posts: 7,884 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    PomBear wrote: »
    did he? link? :rolleyes:

    Whats with the roll eyes? What kind of link you want?? On seciond thoughts why would i bother....


  • #35
    Permabear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39,022 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


    This post has been deleted.


  • #36
    kmick
    Registered Users Posts: 3,375 ✭✭✭kmick


    Unless its a new bank holiday I suspect most people will be as uninterested as they were in 1916. Ignoring the pro-treaty anti-treaty question which has long since ceased to matter since our grandparents day I think it has little relevance.

    Id much prefer if the money was spent on creating a few jobs for people who are about to lose their houses once the mortgage moratorium passes.

    However this is coming from someone who does not believe (rightly or wrongly) that one should lay down your life for your country so my colours are on the mast so to speak.


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  • #37
    PomBear
    Registered Users Posts: 1,885 ✭✭✭PomBear


    Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »
    Whats with the roll eyes? What kind of link you want?? On seciond thoughts why would i bother....

    Because the link doesn't exist.


  • #38
    PomBear
    Registered Users Posts: 1,885 ✭✭✭PomBear


    trapsagenius wrote: »

    I don't think anti-imperialism equates to socialism.And I don't think a people's republic technically has to be a socialist republic either.

    well the proclamation is essentially a socialist document, this was agreed upon amongst the leaders. I don't know where you could prove any were capitalist


  • #39
    Coillte_Bhoy
    Registered Users Posts: 7,884 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    PomBear wrote: »
    Because the link doesn't exist.

    So are you denying that he was involved in establishing the party?? What with looking for a link anyway. Pretty childish on your part but no surprise there.


  • #40
    Coillte_Bhoy
    Registered Users Posts: 7,884 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    PomBear wrote: »
    well the proclamation is essentially a socialist document, this was agreed upon amongst the leaders. I don't know where you could prove any were capitalist

    Where does he mention capitalists???


  • #41
    anymore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,672 ✭✭✭anymore


    I wonder if FF are really looking forward to the people of 1916 being compared with Haughey, Bertie Ahern, John O Donogue, Willie O Dea, Beverly Cooper Flynn etc ? :confused::D


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  • #42
    PomBear
    Registered Users Posts: 1,885 ✭✭✭PomBear


    Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »
    So are you denying that he was involved in establishing the party?? What with looking for a link anyway. Pretty childish on your part but no surprise there.

    He had a founding part in the Socialist Labour Party along with others


  • #43
    PomBear
    Registered Users Posts: 1,885 ✭✭✭PomBear


    Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »
    Where does he mention capitalists???

    Well what were they if they weren't socialist?


  • #44
    Coillte_Bhoy
    Registered Users Posts: 7,884 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    PomBear wrote: »
    He had a founding part in the Socialist Labour Party along with others

    Exavctly isnt that what i said??


  • #45
    trapsagenius
    Closed Accounts Posts: 410 ✭✭trapsagenius


    donegalfella wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    You view it as a "mindless suicide pact".I view it as agroup of dedicated idealists willing to lay down their lives for the country in the hope of inspiring others to do the same.And they did inspire others.So, in a sense they succeeded.Hardly "mindless" then.
    PomBear wrote: »
    Well what were they if they weren't socialist?

    The world isn't split between socialists and capitalists, you know.


  • #46
    anymore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,672 ✭✭✭anymore


    trapsagenius wrote: »
    You view it as a "mindless suicide pact".I view it as agroup of dedicated idealists willing to lay down their lives for the country in the hope of inspiring others to do the same.And they did inspire others.So, in a sense they succeeded.Hardly "mindless" then.



    .
    That is a fair analysis and the comment regarding midless suicide pact shows no understanding of the Rebellion at all -


  • #47
    oncevotedff
    Registered Users Posts: 232 ✭✭oncevotedff


    RATM wrote: »
    Whatya think?

    I think that FF may well be close extinction by 2016. They certainly won't be back in power in 2017.


  • #48
    oncevotedff
    Registered Users Posts: 232 ✭✭oncevotedff


    loldog wrote: »
    Ireland, like any other EU member, is not really a sovereign country anymore, so I don't think 2016 will be such a big deal.

    .

    Oh it'll be a big deal alright. A smorgasbord of military parades, mawkish sentimentality, paddywackery and everyone from RSF to the Legion of Mary claiming to be the inheritors of the 1916 tradition. I'll be taking my holidays early that year.


  • #49
    RATM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,591 ✭✭✭RATM


    oncevotedff wrote: »
    I think that FF may well be close extinction by 2016. They certainly won't be back in power in 2017.

    nah extinction is a long way off for FF- even now they are at their lowest ebb and they are still polling 20-23% or so. That seems to suggest that the party have a very loyal base who would put them back in power irrespective of how bad the economy is.

    They might well be an older generation some of who still vote along civil war lines. And there's that bunch who trot out the famous FF propaganda line 'ah schure the other lot are no use anyway' without even contemplating giving the other lot a chance to find out.


  • #50
    mcmickey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33 ✭mcmickey


    oncevotedff wrote: »
    I think that FF may well be close extinction by 2016. They certainly won't be back in power in 2017.
    FF will be back in power in 2017 ( not that I'm looking foward to it :mad: ) After we ahve 4 years of a similiar fiasco from FG and Labour, FF will be back, like it or not. It's 6 of one and half a dozen of the other.


  • #51
    mcmickey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33 ✭mcmickey


    Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »
    You forgot to mention one more thing

    Leaders of 1916 were f**Kin idiots
    I would have thought that the f**Kin idiots were the British soldiers killed and wounded who fought against them as 1916 rising gave rise to the objectives of the leaders - breaking away from British rule for independence.
    donegalfella wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.
    Do you think all military commerations are " celebrating a mindless suicide pact " or just Irish ones ?

    But I'll tell you what a mindless suicide pact is, the idiots from the36th Unionist divisionwho tried to run the machine guns down at the battle of the Somme :)


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  • #52
    goose2005
    Registered Users Posts: 4,798 ✭✭✭goose2005


    mcmickey wrote: »
    FF will be back in power in 2017 ( not that I'm looking foward to it :mad: ) After we ahve 4 years of a similiar fiasco from FG and Labour, FF will be back, like it or not. It's 6 of one and half a dozen of the other.

    But think of all the dyed-in-the-wool FFers who'll die 2010-17.
    mcmickey wrote: »
    I would have thought that the f**Kin idiots were the British soldiers killed and wounded who fought against them as 1916 rising gave rise to the objectives of the leaders - breaking away from British rule for independence.
    Even the unarmed culchies who were Dublin police officers? Or the Shropshire peasants' sons who knew nothing about "Paddy" and his nation?
    Do you think all military commerations are " celebrating a mindless suicide pact " or just Irish ones ?
    Most of them are, in fairness.


  • #53
    PomBear
    Registered Users Posts: 1,885 ✭✭✭PomBear


    Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »
    Exavctly isnt that what i said??

    Well by that logic Arthur Griffith set up Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael


  • #54
    PomBear
    Registered Users Posts: 1,885 ✭✭✭PomBear


    trapsagenius wrote: »
    The world isn't split between socialists and capitalists, you know.

    No but the 1916 leaders had socialist roots and was potrayed in a socialist document, my point was they were nothing but socialist


  • #55
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,078 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    mcmickey wrote: »
    But I'll tell you what a mindless suicide pact is, the idiots from the36th Unionist divisionwho tried to run the machine guns down at the battle of the Somme :)

    Certainly not very smiley :cool:


  • #56
    paddyland
    Closed Accounts Posts: 932 ✭✭✭paddyland


    RATM wrote: »
    nah extinction is a long way off for FF- even now they are at their lowest ebb and they are still polling 20-23% or so. That seems to suggest that the party have a very loyal base who would put them back in power irrespective of how bad the economy party is.

    FYP

    In fact why bother having the expense of general elections at all. FF supporters seem to think they have grandfather rights over the running of the country. If we were going to put them back in every time, regardless of how corrupt and self serving and immoral they are, then we might as well save the expense, and sit at home and have a nice cup of tea, and leave FF to bleed the dregs of the country for themselves.

    Hands up who's for abandoning democracy and simply returning FF automatically every time, giving them a clap on the shoulder, and saying not to worry lads, sure maybe you'll get it right next time? The Berties and the Seanies and the Fingletons seem to have done all right for themselves, so FF can't be ALL bad...

    We declare the right of [a small band of] the people of Ireland to the ownership of Ireland, and to the unfettered control of Irish destinies... etc.


  • #57
    hallelujajordan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,080 ✭✭✭hallelujajordan


    anymore wrote: »
    I wonder if FF are really looking forward to the people of 1916 being compared with Haughey, Bertie Ahern, John O Donogue, Willie O Dea, Beverly Cooper Flynn etc ? :confused::D

    If you are talking about their impact on Irish history and how they will be remembered in generations to come . . I think Bertie Ahern will compare very favourably as the man who, along with Adams, Hume, Blair and Trimble delivered permanent peace in Northern Ireland after a century of division and unrest. . .


  • #58
    LordSutch
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    hallelujajordan wrote: »
    If you are talking about their impact on Irish history and how they will be remembered in generations to come . . I think Bertie Ahern will compare very favourably as the man who, along with Adams, Hume, Blair and Trimble delivered permanent peace in Northern Ireland after a century of division and unrest. . .

    Not sure I'd compare Adams achievements 'very favourably' in the same breath.


  • #59
    loldog
    Registered Users Posts: 634 ✭✭✭loldog


    Camelot wrote: »
    Not sure I'd compare Adams achievements 'very favourably' in the same breath.

    I would, because he had to travel a lot farther than most from his original position. Same goes for Paisley and Peter Robinson.

    .


  • #60
    hallelujajordan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,080 ✭✭✭hallelujajordan


    Camelot wrote: »
    Not sure I'd compare Adams achievements 'very favourably' in the same breath.

    Nor would I personally, but history will . . just like history has forgotten the cold blooded killings carried out by Michael Collins and his men.


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  • #61
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,078 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    loldog wrote: »
    I would, because he had to travel a lot farther than most from his original position. Same goes for Paisley and Peter Robinson. .

    But Paisley & Robinson were not part of a Terrorist network, they never failed to comdemn bombings & murders during the troubles, whereas Adams murky past includes actually being involved with the PIRA, hence my demarcation between him, and Trimble, Paisley, Hume, Ahearn, & Robinson.


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