Dublin Airport New Routes 2016

basill · 02-09-2015 6:21pm

Can't see IAG being happy with CX into Dublin. It would be much better for AL to fly East and feed into Cathay at HKG and take on the ME players. Kill two birds with one stone.

02-09-2015 6:32pm

basill wrote: »

Can't see IAG being happy with CX into Dublin. It would be much better for AL to fly East and feed into Cathay at HKG and take on the ME players. Kill two birds with one stone.

Flip that on its head, Aer Lingus flying into HK Cathays market. Think about it this way, Aer Lingus concentrates on what it's good at for the time being North America and let Cathay do what it's good at Asia and bring traffic into its own hub and feed passengers into Aer Linguss Dublin hub.

IF it was to happen, it could also be an extension of a UK route, they wouldn't need to worry about runway length (already done with Garuda into Gatwick via Amsterdam). Cathay would have the fleet resources available better than little old Aer Lingus.

MoeJay · 02-09-2015 6:50pm

Deleted User wrote: »

IF it was to happen, it could also be an extension of a UK route, they wouldn't need to worry about runway length (already done with Garuda into Gatwick via Amsterdam). Cathay would have the fleet resources available better than little old Aer Lingus.

Wouldn't that defeat the purpose..? Pax can already transfer at LHR etc etc so the rationale would have to support a direct route. Oneworld would provide CX codeshares all over the place on EI flights.

Good rumour though!

02-09-2015 6:56pm

MoeJay wrote: »

Wouldn't that defeat the purpose..? Pax can already transfer at LHR etc etc so the rationale would have to support a direct route. Oneworld would provide CX codeshares all over the place on EI flights.

Good rumour though!

Yes possibly, but who knows, I think personally they would struggle off 28 in a 330 or a 777. Maybe they are looking at potential destinations for their soon to be delivered 350 fleet.

L1011 · 02-09-2015 6:57pm

MoeJay wrote: »

Wouldn't that defeat the purpose..? Pax can already transfer at LHR etc etc so the rationale would have to support a direct route. Oneworld would provide CX codeshares all over the place on EI flights.

Good rumour though!

Would be same plane, likely no unloading. A lot more attractive than transferring at LHR

MoeJay · 02-09-2015 7:07pm

Well I suppose what I mean to say is if the idea is HKG-UK-DUB and vv. then the rationale of using the aircraft for those 2 short sectors when feed already exists has got to eat into the economics to a substantial degree. If it's only "topping up" the load on an existing route then what kind of revenue would have to be generated to offset the current connecting feed? That's why I'd see it as a direct route.

Apologies this is a bit OT.

man98 · 02-09-2015 7:28pm

Dublin Airport has stated a DUB - PEK route will be in place for 2016 and Paris Chalons Vatry (Disneyland) website says next year they will have an Irish connection, Ryanair into Dublin I would presume... What happened with the carriers who were meant to be reopening Plymouth and another meant to be flying to Norwich or somewhere? I assume they jumped the gun a bit? Not much more in the way of confirmed news.

BuffyBot · 02-09-2015 8:34pm

basill wrote: »

Can't see IAG being happy with CX into Dublin. It would be much better for AL to fly East and feed into Cathay at HKG and take on the ME players. Kill two birds with one stone.

BA and CX have a long and unhappy history. I doubt Cathay give two hoots what BA feel about any route they develop, and I wouldn't bet on IAG going outof their way to assist them

02-09-2015 9:00pm

man98 wrote: »

Dublin Airport has stated a DUB - PEK route will be in place for 2016 and Paris Chalons Vatry (Disneyland) website says next year they will have an Irish connection, Ryanair into Dublin I would presume... What happened with the carriers who were meant to be reopening Plymouth and another meant to be flying to Norwich or somewhere? I assume they jumped the gun a bit? Not much more in the way of confirmed news.

I would imagine that's Hainan airlines, they've been expanding quite rapidly internationally in the last 12 months.

man98 · 02-09-2015 11:01pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I would imagine that's Hainan airlines, they've been expanding quite rapidly internationally in the last 12 months.

The long running rumour is Air China... I suppose we won't know for another few months.

Aer Lingus TATL announcements are due this month too iirc.

Jamie2k9 · 02-09-2015 11:06pm

basill wrote: »

Can't see IAG being happy with CX into Dublin. It would be much better for AL to fly East and feed into Cathay at HKG and take on the ME players. Kill two birds with one stone.

They may not be happy but BA/CX have an agreement between them, not sure what the extend of it is though.

The long running rumour is Air China... I suppose we won't know for another few months.

Would prefer Air China or China Southeran than Hainan airlines but suppose any service is always a plus.

smurfjed · 03-09-2015 12:24am

Does Aer Lingus have any aircraft that can operated HKG-DUB (5318 NGMS) against the prevailing winds?

munchkin_utd · 03-09-2015 10:29am

only new route for Ryanair from Dublin is Amsterdam with 4x flights daily.

also "Extra flights on 14 routes: Alicante, Barcelona, Berlin, Birmingham, Brussels, Budapest, East Midlands, Liverpool, London Gatwick, Madrid, Malaga, Manchester, Venice Treviso, Warsaw"

http://corporate.ryanair.com/news/news/15903-dublin-summer-2016-schedule/?market=ie

for the increased frequency routes that leaves you with
Alicante 2 x daily
Liverpool 4 x daily
London Gat 6 x daily
Barcelona- 3 x daily
Madrid 3 x daily
Berlin 2 x daily
Malaga 3 x daily
Birmingham 6 x daily
Manchester 6 x daily
Brussels 3 x daily
Venice 5 x weekly
Budapest 9 x weekly
Warsaw 1 x daily
East Midlands 2 x daily

murphaph · 03-09-2015 11:38am

I'm liking the double daily to/from Berlin :-) With EI also on the route we'll have up to 4 flights a day now to DUB.

LXFlyer · 03-09-2015 11:46am

munchkin_utd wrote: »

only new route for Ryanair from Dublin is Amsterdam with 4x flights daily.

also "Extra flights on 14 routes: Alicante, Barcelona, Berlin, Birmingham, Brussels, Budapest, East Midlands, Liverpool, London Gatwick, Madrid, Malaga, Manchester, Venice Treviso, Warsaw"

http://corporate.ryanair.com/news/news/15903-dublin-summer-2016-schedule/?market=ie

for the increased frequency routes that leaves you with
Alicante 2 x daily
Liverpool 4 x daily
London Gat 6 x daily
Barcelona- 3 x daily
Madrid 3 x daily
Berlin 2 x daily
Malaga 3 x daily
Birmingham 6 x daily
Manchester 6 x daily
Brussels 3 x daily
Venice 5 x weekly
Budapest 9 x weekly
Warsaw 1 x daily
East Midlands 2 x daily

For comparative purposes, this summer the frequencies were:

Alicante 1 x daily + 3 weekly
Liverpool 3 x daily
Amsterdam - Not served
London Gat 5 x daily
Barcelona- 2 x daily
Madrid 2 x daily
Berlin 1 x daily
Malaga 2 x daily + 1 x 5 weekly
Birmingham 4 x daily
Manchester 4 x daily
Brussels 1 x daily + 1 x 6 x weekly + 1 x 3 weekly
Venice 3 x weekly
Budapest 1 x daily
Warsaw 6 x weekly
East Midlands 1 x daily

Locker10a · 03-09-2015 11:55am

lxflyer wrote: »

For comparative purposes, last winter the frequencies were:

Alicante 4 x weekly
Liverpool 3 x daily
Amsterdam - Not served
London Gat 5 x daily
Barcelona- 2 x daily + 1 x 2 weekly
Madrid 2 x daily
Berlin 1 x daily
Malaga 1 x daily + 1 x 4 weekly
Birmingham 4 x daily
Manchester 4 x daily + 1 x 2 weekly
Brussels 2 x daily + 1 x 4 x weekly
Venice Not served
Budapest 1 x daily
Warsaw 6 x weekly
East Midlands 1 x daily

The new announcement is for summer 16 not winter

5star02707 · 03-09-2015 12:18pm

me likey

dzilla · 03-09-2015 12:19pm

I wonder what is the 3rd flight to Malaga time wise. They only have 2 flights a day on the website at the moment

LXFlyer · 03-09-2015 12:23pm

Locker10a wrote: »

The new announcement is for summer 16 not winter

Apologies - have edited it!!

Corrections weren't that many in any case.

Pat Dunne · 03-09-2015 12:36pm

DUB/AMS starting October 27th, now that sounds like a plan.

Avada · 03-09-2015 12:36pm

Pat Dunne wrote: »

DUB/AMS starting October 27th, now that sounds like a plan.

On sale as well, from €10 at launch.

Locker10a · 03-09-2015 12:54pm

Pat Dunne wrote: »

DUB/AMS starting October 27th, now that sounds like a plan.

I wonder will FR schedule a longer turn around they will never do 25 mins in AMS ! The taxi alone is 20 mins !
EasyJet for example do it in 40-45 mins and still struggle

Idbatterim · 03-09-2015 12:54pm

did a quick check, currently all flights on 27th and 28th are E20 return fare with ryanair. Aer Lingus cheapest return is E82 and E98 most expensive. that is flying out on 27th October and back on 28th. I cant see the non budget carriers pleased at Ryanair coming into a major european hub! Would be good for Dutch tourist industry though...

weisses · 03-09-2015 1:04pm

9 flights going from Dublin to Amsterdam daily

A bit overkill .. Would rather have seen they served Cork or Shannon

03-09-2015 1:13pm

weisses wrote: »

9 flights going from Dublin to Amsterdam daily

A bit overkill .. Would rather have seen they served Cork or Shannon

Limited market from Shannon and Cork, plus you can't make much impact with one flight a day each way. That's why they will have choosen their first routes carefully and decided these two will do some business for us especially with a decent frequency.

LXFlyer · 03-09-2015 1:26pm

weisses wrote: »

9 flights going from Dublin to Amsterdam daily

A bit overkill .. Would rather have seen they served Cork or Shannon

Where are you getting nine daily flights from?

It's only four daily.

LXFlyer · 03-09-2015 1:29pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

did a quick check, currently all flights on 27th and 28th are E20 return fare with ryanair. Aer Lingus cheapest return is E82 and E98 most expensive. that is flying out on 27th October and back on 28th. I cant see the non budget carriers pleased at Ryanair coming into a major european hub! Would be good for Dutch tourist industry though...

I would imagine that the vast majority of people using Amsterdam as a hub airport are using through ticketing for their onward flights - that's not possible using Ryanair.

This will appeal to point-to-point traffic.

smurfjed · 03-09-2015 1:29pm

Aer Lingus has 5 daily flights

weisses · 03-09-2015 1:33pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Limited market from Shannon and Cork, plus you can't make much impact with one flight a day each way. That's why they will have choosen their first routes carefully and decided these two will do some business for us especially with a decent frequency.

Cork has two EI flights daily which are well occupied I found

My point is that 5x daily with EI is already a decent frequency imo

But they probably had their maths done

LXFlyer · 03-09-2015 2:02pm

weisses wrote: »

Cork has two EI flights daily which are well occupied I found

My point is that 5x daily with EI is already a decent frequency imo

But they probably had their maths done

Sorry - thought you just meant Ryanair.

Yes, I'd wonder if there is that much point-to-point traffic?

Hub traffic would account for a reasonable share of the route.

Dublin Airport New Routes 2016

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