Has anybody visited Gallipoli?

Sundew · 09-11-2009 1:51pm #1

Just curious if anybody on here has visited Gallipoli either on a guided tour or independently?
Would like to visit the area around Cape Helles but I believe this is often overlooked on guided tours!

Sundew · 12-11-2009 3:20pm

Seems Gallipoli is not as popular as the battlefields of France & Belgium

Fuinseog · 13-11-2009 5:55pm

it was a great place to dispose of Paddies and oher colonials. a wise and great man was winnie.

FiSe · 13-11-2009 7:38pm

Fuinseog wrote: »

it was a great place to dispose of Paddies and oher colonials. a wise and great man was winnie.

What's wrong with you? Seriously like.
Is your hate to everything British so bad that you can't even answer 'yes' or 'no' to a simple question?

You had some useful posts in 'pillboxes' and some other threads too, if I remember correctly, only to start behave like a total child in any and every thread which mentions both wars and Ireland in the same sentence.

We are having heated discussions here and some of us do have different points of view on any of these topics than the others, but so far, we've always managed, somehow, to keep the discussion civilized, though boiling perhaps, that's true...

Apology for totally OT post.

No, I haven't been there

Manic Moran · 14-11-2009 9:38am

Official-type slap on the wrist given to Fuinseog.

NTM

rugbyman · 14-11-2009 9:51am

got drawn in here by the heading

people like Fuinseog are best completely ignored following comments like that.

FiSe. your comments, though echoing my thoughts can leave the instigator of such comment feeling that at least he/she drew you out. Ignoring is better I feel.

I visited the Tower of Ireland in Messine twice. on one occasion I wandered inside the tower and found Books in which the names of all those( IRISH I think) who died on active service(first world war only?)
In these books, which were originally the idea of some woman, I found two people with my Surname, one from my home town and one from a neighbouring town. I hope to do some research, before the hundreth anniversary, into these two men.

One died at the Somme and the other in Gallipoli.

perhaps someone can point me in the right direction

regards, Rugbyman

Fuinseog · 14-11-2009 7:46pm

Manic Moran wrote: »

Official-type slap on the wrist given to Fuinseog.

NTM

this is ridiculous. most of those who died there were the colonnials. churchill did not want to risk English soldiers there.

you should have said that only pro British comments were welcome here. I had no idea this was a gathering of the British Legion.
people nere have been less than courteous to me here, but I don't get all worked up over this, but once I criticise the british army the santctions appear.

God shave the Queen!

Fuinseog · 14-11-2009 7:47pm

rugbyman wrote: »

got drawn in here by the heading

people like Fuinseog are best completely ignored following comments like that.

and people like you cannot provide a simple counter arguement

Manic Moran · 14-11-2009 8:06pm

Fuinseog wrote: »

this is ridiculous. most of those who died there were the colonnials. churchill did not want to risk English soldiers there.

Your response had absolutely nothing to do with the question posed, instead you chose to inject partisan opinion which contributed nothing positive to the thread.

I will not react well if you query me again on this matter.

NTM

Sundew · 14-11-2009 10:39pm

Personally you have offended me and I suggest you crawl back under the little rock you came out of. :mad:

Apology for totally OT post.
No, I haven't been there

FiSe: Thank you for your gracious reply and apologies for my angry response.
I have had got some good info on Trip Advisor but was hoping there may have been somebody on this forum who may have visited there.

Fuinseog · 14-11-2009 10:55pm

Sundew wrote: »

Personally you have offended me and I suggest you crawl back under the little rock you came out of. :mad:

FiSe: Thank you for your gracious reply and apologies for my angry response.
I have had got some good info on Trip Advisor but was hoping there may have been somebody on this forum who may have visited there.

my dear fellow, at no point did I become personally abusive to you. i don't know you. if you want information on trips why not contact the British legion or regimental assosiations of the regiments who served there. it is a destination that is off the beaten track.

Sundew · 14-11-2009 11:05pm

my dear fellow, at no point did I become personally abusive to you

You may not have abused me but you certainly OFFENDED me!
I am also NOT a FELLOW. I am a LADY!!!!!!!!!!

Mods I believe this is a World War 1 Forum and I only have an interest in WW1 due to family research. Do I have to defend myself?

I have also direct links with the war of Independence but we won't go there

Fuinseog · 14-11-2009 11:53pm

Sundew wrote: »

You may not have abused me but you certainly OFFENDED me!
I am also NOT a FELLOW. I am a LADY!!!!!!!!!!

Mods I believe this is a World War 1 Forum and I only have an interest in WW1 due to family research. Do I have to defend myself?

I have also direct links with the war of Independence but we won't go there

hardly could I have known. i am not the only one here who thought you a guy.
if you know the army number of relative contact the MOD (mInistry for DEfence in Britain and they wil be able to help you out. if you know his regiment and it still exist drop them a line.

why not just book a regular Turkish holiday and choose a resort that is near Galipoli. there is a tour compant called 'Battfield Tours' but as I said few of them go to Galipoli.

Sundew · 15-11-2009 12:22am

Fuinseog wrote: »

hardly could I have known. i am not the only one here who thought you a guy.

YOU should never presume anything!
If you had the intelligence to check my profile you would have realized that I was female !

if you know the army number of relative contact the MOD (mInistry for DEfence in Britain and they wil be able to help you out. if you know his regiment and it still exist drop them a line.

I already know everything there is to know about my Grand-Uncle!

why not just book a regular Turkish holiday and choose a resort that is near Galipoli. there is a tour compant called 'Battfield Tours' but as I said few of them go to Galipoli.

Did you not read my question?
Perhaps you should read up on your geography and learn how to spell!

R.Dub.Fusilier · 15-11-2009 3:14am

Sundew wrote: »

Just curious if anybody on here has visited Gallipoli either on a guided tour or independently?
Would like to visit the area around Cape Helles but I believe this is often overlooked on guided tours!

i have never been to any WW1 battle field . i would love to visit Gallipoli , i have read a bit about the Irish involvement in it and would like to put a picture to the face , so to speak. i have an address of a place that does tours of the area i'll root it out and send it to you.

Manic Moran · 15-11-2009 4:45am

Gentle(')men, enough of the insults. Next one that makes a non-factual statement not directly related to visiting Gallipoli is taking a holiday.

If you had the intelligence to check my profile you would have realized that I was female !

Maybe I'm going blind, but I don't see where that is specified.

NTM

15-11-2009 12:19pm

For those interested in Gallipoli, you may like to know of an interesting book "The Pals at Suvla Bay" by Henry Hanna. It is a record of D Company 7th Royal Dublin Fusiliers. This was a "Pals" battalion formed by members of the IRFU and commanded by the President of the IRFU. There are a lot of good photographs, one of the pals formed up on the pitch at Lansdowne Road in Sept. 1914 and a number of them in Dublin before departure.

For those wishing to research family members, there is a short biographical note on each of the 300 pals and a photograph of most of them.

Rugbyman by your name you will probably have a particular interest !

FiSe · 15-11-2009 12:51pm

Just remembered Military Heritage Tours may be of some help:

http://www.militaryheritagetours.com/

They are the experts in, well, military heritage tours... I've been to Normandy with them a while back and it was one of the best trips of this kind I've been to.
Hope this help.

DublinDes · 15-11-2009 2:12pm

The thing about Gallipoli is that we hear it as the sad, incompetent, tragic waste of human life and all that, but to the people of Turkey it's regarded as possibly their finest hour. It's true. The young officer who was in charge when the invasion started was called Atatürk is regarded as a national hero with airport, streets and the national stadium named after him. I know there was extremely rough coastal terrain etc, but only a handful of Turkish troops were there to defend it when they landed and have never been given proper credit for their great defence at all costs against a much larger enemy.

R.Dub.Fusilier · 15-11-2009 5:07pm

DublinDes wrote: »

but only a handful of Turkish troops were there to defend it when they landed and have never been given proper credit for their great defence at all costs against a much larger enemy.

any of the stuff i read about the conflict and the actions of turkish troops has portrayed them , mostly,as gallant and brave , even ruthless , fighters and soldiers . the soldiers on the ground knew that these were going to fight to the last bullet for their land.

FiSe · 15-11-2009 6:02pm

And Mustafa Kemal Ataturk was an extraordinary man. He latter become president of Turkey and is considered as the creator of modern Turkey too.

Manic Moran · 15-11-2009 6:16pm

The young officer who was in charge when the invasion started was called Atatürk is regarded as a national hero with airport, streets and the national stadium named after him.

I think Ataturk is more celebrated for founding the modern secular state of Turkey than for his defense at Gallipoli, though granted the latter probably didn't hurt his ability to get the former done.

The defence wasn't bad, but none of his counter-attacks worked.

NTM

oncevotedff · 15-11-2009 6:19pm

Sundew wrote: »

Just curious if anybody on here has visited Gallipoli either on a guided tour or independently?
Would like to visit the area around Cape Helles but I believe this is often overlooked on guided tours!

Yes, I was there in 2008. It's pretty out of the way but well worth the effort.

Eric, the owner of this hotel is very helpful

http://www.gallipoli.com.tr/accommodation_canakkale_hotels.htm

mirror mirror · 15-11-2009 6:20pm

rugbyman,,,,i am researching some of my own relations on the ancestry site,they have medal index cards,pension records,service reords. if you want can do look up for you

oncevotedff · 15-11-2009 6:31pm

Fuinseog wrote: »

this is ridiculous. most of those who died there were the colonnials. churchill did not want to risk English soldiers there.

On the contrary it is a myth that Australia and New Zealand bore the brunt at Gallipoli. In addition approximately 33% of the "Australians" weren't born in Australia.

Fatal Casualty figures were;

UK- 21,255 (including an estimated 4,000 Irish dead)
France (estimate)- 10,000
Australia- 8,709
New Zealand- 2,721
India- 1,358
Newfoundland- 49

Mahatma coat · 16-11-2009 7:55am

Gallipoli is a massive thing for a lot of Australians, there are loads of tours organised for ANZAC day (April25th)

try an Aussie Package specialist online, you should be able to tag along on one of those packages

Wotif . com is owned by a mate of mine, he does a lot of that hotel bookin and stuff.

and if it turns out that you like being in hot sticky fields with sh1teloads of Australians yhou can sign up for the Kokoda trail next

Fratton Fred · 17-11-2009 12:35pm

oncevotedff wrote: »

On the contrary it is a myth that Australia and New Zealand bore the brunt at Gallipoli. In addition approximately 33% of the "Australians" weren't born in Australia.

Fatal Casualty figures were;

UK- 21,255 (including an estimated 4,000 Irish dead)
France (estimate)- 10,000
Australia- 8,709
New Zealand- 2,721
India- 1,358
Newfoundland- 49

The myth relating to the Sandringham Company sprung up in Gallipoli, led by Frank Beck. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Beck_(British_Army_officer)

This kind of dispells the myth that they didn't want to risk British soldiers.

arnhem44 · 17-11-2009 4:33pm

I have an Irish tour operators advert that was in one of the national papers,I'll try and find it and post up there details if its any help.

Sundew · 25-11-2009 10:24am

FiSe wrote: »

Just remembered Military Heritage Tours may be of some help:

http://www.militaryheritagetours.com/

They are the experts in, well, military heritage tours... I've been to Normandy with them a while back and it was one of the best trips of this kind I've been to.
Hope this help.

Thanks for the link FiSe: I actually know somebody who has taken one of these tours and gave good feedback.

oncevotedff wrote: »

Yes, I was there in 2008. It's pretty out of the way but well worth the effort.

Eric, the owner of this hotel is very helpful

http://www.gallipoli.com.tr/accommodation_canakkale_hotels.htm

Looks like a good place if touring the place independently. I think my husband and I will still take the independent route and perhaps take a tour by a local guide before exploring ourselves!

Thanks to those who gave helpful feedback

gizmo555 · 26-11-2009 12:35pm

Manic Moran wrote: »

I think Ataturk is more celebrated for founding the modern secular state of Turkey than for his defense at Gallipoli, though granted the latter probably didn't hurt his ability to get the former done.

Ataturk was also magnanimous and forgiving towards his former enemies, as this well known quotation from a speech of his in 1934 shows

Those heroes that shed their blood and lost their lives...! You are now lying in the soul of a friendly country, therefore rest in peace. There is no differences between the Johnnies and the Mehmets to us where they lie side by side here in this country of ours... You, the mothers who sent their sons from far away countries wipe away your tears. Your sons are now lying in our bosom and are in peace. After having lost their lives on this land they have become our sons as well.

donaghs · 29-04-2015 2:20pm

gizmo555 wrote: »

Ataturk was also magnanimous and forgiving towards his former enemies, as this well known quotation from a speech of his in 1934 shows

Those heroes that shed their blood and lost their lives...! You are now lying in the soul of a friendly country, therefore rest in peace. There is no differences between the Johnnies and the Mehmets to us where they lie side by side here in this country of ours... You, the mothers who sent their sons from far away countries wipe away your tears. Your sons are now lying in our bosom and are in peace. After having lost their lives on this land they have become our sons as well.

Just saw this thread now, in light of 2015 commemorations. Ataturk, remarkable figure that he was, wasn't so magnanimous to the Armenians or the Greeks who used to live in Turkey. Interestingly roughly half the population the Gallipoli peninsula was Greek, similiar to other parts of Western Turkey like Izmir (Smyrna).

Has anybody visited Gallipoli?

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