Stock recommendations & ideas.

Cass · 02-09-2014 11:14pm #1

Looking for some opinions, recommendations and ideas.

As some of you may know i got the Father an AICS stock for his Remmy 5R Mil-Spec. He was bugging me for ages for one so i finally bit the bullet (no pun intended) and got him one.

I was half concerned because while he has seen them on others guns and even fired a gun or two with them on i didn't think he realised just what he was getting into. Still i was able to get it for him so did. The AICS stock is brilliant. No doubt. They are robust, versatile, etc. However it comes with one drawback. Weight. Now for a lot of people this wouldn't be an issue, but for a rifle that will spend the majority of it's life hunting rather than on a range it's a consideration.

Role on yesterday morning. The first real test of the rifle since he got he stock. After a morning and evening stalk, both lasting approx. 8 hours he has found that the rifle, combined with the sticks, bins, rangefinder, etc. is a load to carry. The rifle with it's barreled action, scope, rings, and stock comes in at approx. 13lb. Now in fairness the stock is not the only issue. The barreled action (heavy/bull barrel profile), scope, etc are a weight too. On their own they are 7lb or a tad more. So picking a stock that would function as he needs/wants but will not make it overweight is a challenge. However it needs addressing, and he'll never part with the barreled action so the stock is all i can think to look at.

So with all this said he is making grumblings about changing already. God forgive me, but no good deed goes unpunished. A lot of money, for the AICS, effectively down the drain.

I have looked at GRS, H&S, and a few other manufacturers, and made a couple of calls yesterday afternoon to Irish stock makers to see if they could make him something. I'm awaiting a return call. I've no interest in Boyd's stock. Also i gave the H&S precision stock, including hinged floor plate and mag well/box, that was on the gun to a friend which means i have no trigger guard or floor place/spring or mag box/well. So whatever i go for needs to have the complete stock including a hinged floor plate, or detachable mag, trigger guard, etc. IOW a drop in stock. I was even considering leaving the Savage stock i have for sale down to the likes of Pat Sludds and have him alter and bed it.

So what i'm looking for are people's opinions, thoughts, ideas, etc. on a replacement.

Cheers.

1jay1 · 02-09-2014 11:58pm

I recently got a Remmy 700 in a McMillan A2 stock, lovely stock, considerably lighter than the AICS. The palm swell is very similar to the RPA Interceptor.
I've only shot it the once and i'm awaiting the sub but if I have it before the weekend ill be on the range with it if you and your father would like to try it out.
Manners make some lovely looking stocks also including the thumbhole MCS-T5 - mannersstocks.com/tactical-stocks/

lefthooker · 03-09-2014 12:04am

Hard to look beyond any of the PSE stocks, especially when you can have input in the build.

DMW22 · 03-09-2014 11:03am

I'm going to say the say as lefthooker and suggest a PSE stock. If your dad is looking for a stick that will do everything from hunting to targets then the Etac would be perfect.
I'll give you a shout later and if your dad is interested in an Etac what I could do is whip off my Etac and stick it on the milspec and let your dad try it out to see what he thinks?

philmire · 03-09-2014 6:31pm

Plus one on a PSE stock EDI is one of the nicest gents I've ever delt with and will make a stock that your father will be happy with and you probly will end up with one too

My stock weighs 600 grams which is 1.3 pounds so is very light

td5 · 03-09-2014 9:59pm

Another + for PSE stocks

zeissman · 03-09-2014 11:26pm

Marchscopes.co.uk are selling the
Krg xray stocks . they use A i mags and weigh around 3lbs.
They are worth a look

Cass · 04-09-2014 1:07am

The X-ray one seems good. Not too heavy. Reminds me of Audi. Everything other than the basic model costs extra. The other versions i think are actually nicer, but at 5lb it defeats the purpose of changing. Plus it's not my call.

As for Edi's stock. I've seen and used them and know Edi well. Cannot fault his work, or the stocks, they are excellent. However the McMillan A4/A5 are very similar and according to the quote system i've done on both sites the McMillan is working out at €850 including taxes and shipping. The PSE at €1440. Perhaps i've done it wrong. Can someone that has a stock in the following configuration work this out for me:

Stock, fully inletted
Painted
Adjustable cheek riser
Butt pad
Bottom metal & 308, 5 round mag
Fitting & bedding of said bottom metal

He is more interested in a thumbole/subtle palm swell laminate or timber stock. If that does not work out then he may go for a composite.

At the moment i'm inclined to take my time and research this well. I will not be changing again. Plus the majority of stocks are only pictures on a screen and it's hard to judge fit, feel, comfort, etc. Also as it's the first week of the season i'm not rushing into anything, but if something comes up, grand.

lefthooker · 04-09-2014 10:31am

Cass wrote:

The PSE at €1440. Perhaps i've done it wrong.

No perhaps about it. Maybe you hit a few Xs instead of +s there Cass:D, €1400 seems way over the mark.
Mine is duracoated green, adjustable cheek riser, butt pad, sling studs, flush cups and inletted for a tikka bottom metal. And there was no tikka inlet for an Etac when I was getting mine done, pretty sure it was filled and had material removed where needed for the tikka action so that cost extra too. All in came to €1000.

clivej · 04-09-2014 2:04pm

Did you think about trying out the 'Gunslinger' sling??

Put all the weight of the rifle on to your hips and little or no weight on the shoulder. I have been using one for the past 3 stalking seasons and can recommend it. My rifle is a Sako 75 laminated varmint, elite 4200 6-24x50 scope, bi-pod all up at 12lb. Makes it very easy to walk with it.

I think I paid $60 for it.
Plenty of vids on UTube showing them in use.
http://www.gunslingercorral.com/

Cass · 04-09-2014 2:16pm

lefthooker wrote: »

No perhaps about it. Maybe you hit a few Xs instead of +s there Cass:D, €1400 seems way over the mark.

I selected:

E-Tac Stock - €765
Bottom metal (only ones are AICS) - €240
One magazine (5 round) - €75
Fitting and bedding of the mag - €160
Painted - €200
Recoil pad - €25

Total - €1465

So what am i getting wrong? It seems a lot alright and maybe i selecting things i shouldn't or more to the point don't need to.

lefthooker · 04-09-2014 3:18pm

You don't need the recoil pad, that's included in the €765. And you don't need the fancy paint either on a stalking rifle. Any mag kits for he 700 I've seen run around €250 + installation so in hindsight them figures seem about right I'm afraid. But is it a necessity???
Why not ring Edi about it, he may have a bottom metal lying spare. As might some of the other gunsmiths around the country.

Cass · 04-09-2014 8:23pm

That mag system is not necessary, but i don't see another option. Does it come with a BDL or even a floor plate. Or are they all single shot? The mag system, mag itself and the the fitting cost an extra €460.

You say the paint is not necessary. Can you pick colours that don't require the cost of painting or just the colour they come out when made?

So if it comes with a recoil pad, and there are other colours rather than just the colour the stock comes out when made it leaves the stock at €1240. I suppose you could buy a bottom metal, because i want more than a single shot, and give it to him to fit. That would leave it at €765 for the stock, say €150 for a new bottom metal i bought myself, and €165 to have him fitted. That's leave it at €€1,070.

BTW if Edi is reading this i'm by no means getting at ya lad. Just trying to narrow downs options and full prices. Don't want to waste anyone's time and realise something costs more that i thought. I've also contacted Enda, and the prices would be similar. €750 starting price and then more for extras.

Vegeta · 04-09-2014 9:59pm

In a similar predicament myself with the .223, have a heavier laminate target stock on it at the minite. It's brilliant but too heavy and pretty for bringing foxing.

All I want is a cheap stock that is light weight, ergonomic, provides good accuracy, is rugged and cheap. Not asking for much am I

Cass · 04-09-2014 10:05pm

Not much at all.

If i'm honest the one he wants will be:

Lightweight
Thumbhole
Laminate
Adjustable cheek riser

I swear to God the older he gets the younger he acts. I need an Argos book of gun parts so he can go to the back pages and pick out what he wants. :rolleyes:

clivej · 05-09-2014 10:49am

Cass wrote: »

I swear to God the older he gets the younger he acts. I need an Argos book of gun parts so he can go to the back pages and pick out what he wants. :rolleyes:

DON'T we all

:D:D:D:D:D

ejg · 05-09-2014 3:17pm

Cass wrote: »

I selected:
E-Tac Stock - €765

Bottom metal (only ones are AICS) - €240

One magazine (5 round) - €75

Fitting and bedding of the mag - €160

Painted - €200

Recoil pad - €25

Total - €1465

So what am i getting wrong? It seems a lot alright and maybe i selecting things i shouldn't or more to the point don't need to.

Sorry, only saw this thread now.
Kev, I must apologise... our Website is a bit off and we just didn't have the time to fix things.
We actually never charged extra for recoil pad, stippling or paint unless it was some snazzy car paint that also need several layers of clear etc.
So 765 for the Carbon fibre Ultra Light E-Tac stock which includes the adjustable cheek, recoil pad, swivel studs fitted and a single duracoat colour. We have a few colours to choose from.
Mag System, and fitting bedding 240 + 160.
Best done with your rifle as we could bed your rifle while we are at it. Depending on the whole package we charge between 50 or 100 Euro for the bedding of the action.
We mostly give a bit of a reduction to boards members.
edi
ps. My remmy E-Tac rifle with 20" medium Palma barrel weighs 7.7 lbs
including 6.5-20x50 conquest scope just 9.2lbs.
However the stock is an experimental stock that is about 200 grams lighter than standard.

Cass · 05-09-2014 3:20pm

Hey Edi.

Thanks very much for responding. I hope you seen the post above from me. On reading back it seems like you are being singled out when it's not the case, and i was genuinely a little lost on the options list. As you & lefthooker said the site may be a bit off and/or i was picking stuff i probably did not need to or that was already included.

Thanks again lad.

zulu_dawn · 09-09-2014 7:49pm

another stock option is the newish to market MBT stock, http://mdttac.com/chassis-systems/, i know of two in Eire

Dom's Custom rifles are you man to source same - http://www.domscustomrifles.ie/

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