Dublin Bikes - expansion stalled?

trellheim · 11-11-2014 6:47pm

He not really made any case why he wants to discourages commuters and reduce the numbers of cyclists overall.

DB approach seems to be to increase capacity. As they make the point in their document, the oft quote experience that increasing numbers increases safety, and increasing number increases the numbers of cycling, and reduces car use.

Good for you for misinterpreting ( again ). If you need it spelled out again the idea is to have a bicycle there for the ad-hoc user so that eventual widespread use can become common for the ad-hoc user, and thus enable a wider base of potential long term commuters on non-db, non-car modes. We can't do that without demand pricing. And harking back to the 11th user, he/she will use the bicycle so the number of cyclists in this context remains similar, we just end up with a different user base.

We thus enable choice and so fulfil a key DB requirement.

LeinsterDub · 11-11-2014 6:56pm

RichardoKhan wrote: »

Or alternatively have the company running it do what it should & originally did which was to move Bikes back & re distribute them effectively but hey ho why spoil some jumped up shaker & movers bottom line saving eh?

http://www.dublinbikes.ie/Magazine/News/dublinbikes-gets-double-decker-service

Aard · 11-11-2014 7:12pm

It's a redistribution problem.

beauf · 11-11-2014 7:24pm

trellheim wrote: »

Good for you for misinterpreting ( again ). If you need it spelled out again the idea is to have a bicycle there for the ad-hoc user so that eventual widespread use can become common for the ad-hoc user, and thus enable a wider base of potential long term commuters on non-db, non-car modes. We can't do that without demand pricing. And harking back to the 11th user, he/she will use the bicycle so the number of cyclists in this context remains similar, we just end up with a different user base.

We thus enable choice and so fulfil a key DB requirement.

Its a bikes sitting there used for people who use it least.
Its a cheaper price for using it less.

...and this will increase cycle journeys?

beauf · 11-11-2014 7:27pm

Aard wrote: »

It's a redistribution problem.

Which you can avoid by travelling off peak, and/or buying your own bicycle. That applies to the ad hoc as much as it does the commuter.

trellheim · 11-11-2014 8:36pm

1. An ad-hoc user just off the train or the Bus Eireann bus will not use it if the option is not there.

Sure: if you can solve the redist problem and have bikes back where they are needed in jig time then the problem goes away ( But there is an argument, especially in a town planning scenario where you are trying to get people to work in a more outer ring than the main centre, that the people living in the centre need the bikes to go the other way , so they need to stay there too, so the problem remainsto a certain extent) . But we are stuck with the current scenario

Aard · 11-11-2014 9:07pm

There are 185 bike stands around Heuston. Never has at least one bike not been free.

beauf · 11-11-2014 9:33pm

I could be wrong but I think if you look at the stats most of the bike stats are for short, between the canals. They are the big users of the DB. I would reckon a lot of the living in town with limited space at home/apartments, and at work for storing/securing a bicycle. For longer trips 20 mins + the popularity of cycling falls of dramatically. You can't mix public tranport trains, buses, Dart, Luas, as you're not allowed bring a regular bike on them. So for a lot of people the db works very well.

I think a lot of problems with capacity are down to specific stations and routes, at peak time. As when you go a different route you see some stations while busy always have a bike and a stand free. While other locations/routes always seem to be empty/full at the same time. The solutions are different for different routes/stations. The plan seems to be more stands and bikes at target stations based on demand and usage.

ForstalDave · 11-11-2014 10:26pm

beauf wrote: »

Which you can avoid by travelling off peak, and/or buying your own bicycle. That applies to the ad hoc as much as it does the commuter.

What happens when there id no room on the train because everyone is trying to bring there bile as it costs to much for the dublin one?

beauf · 11-11-2014 11:12pm

You quoted that out of context that wasn't about trains.

Since you've mentioned trains you might look at my earlier comment...

beauf wrote: »

...You can't mix public tranport trains, buses, Dart, Luas, as you're not allowed bring a regular bike on them. ...

You can only bring a folding bike on trains/dart, at peak. AFAIK You can't bring a folding bike on a Bus or Luas. Of course if its a bag, how would they know. The reality is, if your train is busy, or an intercity train, there is no space for anything other than a brompton, which are very expensive. If your train is less busy you'll get away with a bigger/cheaper folding bike.

The other thing is the folding bikes, aren't designed for much abuse or poor road surfaces.

LeinsterDub · 12-11-2014 10:32am

I see the regional bike schemes will support leap. Any sign of this for db?

keane2097 · 12-11-2014 3:24pm

The last bunch of posts have been an argument about an utterly backward solution to a non-existent problem. Good stuff.

beauf · 12-11-2014 3:25pm

LeinsterDub wrote: »

I see the regional bike schemes will support leap. Any sign of this for db?

Thats a good idea. Is anyone actually working on it?

LeinsterDub · 12-11-2014 4:01pm

beauf wrote: »

Thats a good idea. Is anyone actually working on it?

Bike city say they have it
https://www.bikeshare.ie/how-bikeshare-works
and are also that it's coming soon
https://www.bikeshare.ie/faq-info

I don't know

LeinsterDub · 03-03-2015 10:45am

A number of the new stations had stands that never opened any plans to fix /remove these?

stocktrader · 24-04-2015 1:05pm

Anyone interested in a station for ballsbridge or know of any who would like one please like the page https://www.facebook.com/dublinbikesballsbridge?fref=ts and leave a comment.

When we get over 1000 likes we will forward the page to dublin bikes and hopefully the voice will be heard.

Aard · 24-04-2015 1:29pm

There's a plan in place for the ordered expansion of the system. It's highly unlikely that any petition will change that. You'd be better off speaking to local councillors personally.

AngryLips · 24-04-2015 1:39pm

Aard wrote: »

There's a plan in place for the ordered expansion of the system. It's highly unlikely that any petition will change that. You'd be better off speaking to local councillors personally.

They're still expanding it? I thought the last phase of expansion was complete with no plans to go any further...

Aard · 24-04-2015 1:56pm

The last phase was completed last August/September. I don't know when the next phase is due to begin. Suffice it to say that there appears to be universal support for the scheme so I don't see why politicians wouldn't be keen to continue delivering on it.

LeinsterDub · 01-09-2015 9:51am

There are no definite timeframes in place for the delivery of the next expansion phases, and further expansion will be subject to funding, the spokesperson said.

http://www.independent.ie/life/city-cycling/dublin-bikes-full-and-empty-stations-are-a-characteristic-of-bike-share-schemes-31385146.html

Wasn't funding available during the planning phase and the reason we sold the advertising rights?

ArmaniJeanss · 11-08-2016 10:40am

Not sure if this is the latest thread or theres a fresher one. Modulerators please move if necessary.
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http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/expanded-dublin-bikes-scheme-to-grangegorman-dit-on-hold-1.2752057

The planned expansion of the Dublin Bikes rental scheme to the new DIT campus at Grangegorman has been put on hold because of a lack of money to run the service.

The National Transport Authority (NTA) last February wrote to then minister for transport Paschal Donohoe outlining plans for 15 new bike stations which would allow the rental scheme to be extended to Grangegorman - representing the first major expansion of the scheme into suburban Dublin.

The NTA told Mr Donohoe the scheme would be in place by September/October this year. However, Dublin City Council said it cannot afford to run the extended service, which is already operating at a loss.

cgcsb · 11-08-2016 1:45pm

Grangegorman = Suburban Dublin, you gotta love the Irish Times, it's like they're Martians.

LeinsterDub · 11-08-2016 2:19pm

AngryLips · 11-08-2016 11:43pm

Wait, what about all that advertising revenue to fund the service?

Muahahaha · 12-08-2016 12:00am

thats what I was thinking too, how many electronic billboards were JC Decaux given? I had thought they and the sponsorship funded it??

FredFunk · 12-08-2016 9:43am

Does it make much difference if it is making a loss, surely Dublin Bus, Luas and Irish Rail are highly subsidised. You could argue that Dublin Bikes is one of the key transport systems with the lack of alternatives.

loyatemu · 12-08-2016 10:34am

FredFunk wrote: »

Does it make much difference if it is making a loss, surely Dublin Bus, Luas and Irish Rail are highly subsidised. You could argue that Dublin Bikes is one of the key transport systems with the lack of alternatives.

I'd imagine DCC have announced this publicly to try and pressurise TII to give them some money towards running the scheme.

cgcsb · 12-08-2016 10:50am

The scheme costs €1,900,000 to run, they get €1,200,000 in membership and usage fees and €312,000 in sponsorship.
That's a shortfall of only -€388,000 per year. For some reason an additional 15 bike stations will add €500,000 to the annual operating costs according to the article.

Assuming 0 new joiners after the expansion is complete that's still only a net annual deficit of -€888,000 per year.
We can raise that amount of money by abolishing the roles of Dublin's 4 ceremonial Lord Mayors. Replacing something useless with something useful for the same expense, why not simply do that?

LeinsterDub · 12-08-2016 11:34am

cgcsb wrote: »

The scheme costs €1,900,000 to run, they get €1,200,000 in membership and usage fees and €312,000 in sponsorship.

Isn't DCC so rich it was able to cut the household tax by 15%? The scheme doesn't have to be self funding

loyatemu · 12-08-2016 11:37am

they also want to increase the sub to €30 to make up the current shortfall, but I'd expect them to lose quite a few casual users if they raise the price again.

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