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Spreading lime on land

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    #62
    ootbitb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 631 ✭✭✭ootbitb


    JohnBoy wrote: »
    We need to put out 2t of lime to the acre, what's the story with grazing afterwards? Is it ok once the first shower of rain falls or does it need to left wash in for a while, or should it be left all winter?


    I suppose I'm asking do I have to wait until the ground is closed for the winter or could I spread away if ground conditions came right.


    Any thoughts??

    I put them straight back in with no bad consequences.


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    #63
    Username John
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,237 ✭✭✭Username John


    Black Smoke wrote: »
    Does anybody remember the good old days, spreading slag, instead of lime:D
    You would be like a negro after it!

    Didn't know you could still get it ..... http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/fertilisers/3984211

    Old guys, had great belief in it to "sweeten", the grass:P

    Interesting... Anyone here ever use it?


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    #64
    Username John
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,237 ✭✭✭Username John


    JohnBoy wrote: »
    We need to put out 2t of lime to the acre, what's the story with grazing afterwards? Is it ok once the first shower of rain falls or does it need to left wash in for a while, or should it be left all winter?


    I suppose I'm asking do I have to wait until the ground is closed for the winter or could I spread away if ground conditions came right.


    Any thoughts??

    My opinion (not based on experience or any facts, just my thinking) ;)

    I'd wait for it to be rained in at least... so its taken into the ground. I don't think it would do anything any harm. But its for the soil, so I would have thought its better for it to get to the soil, and do its job, rather than have to go through an animal to get to the soil (if it was still on the grass)

    Again - just my opinion... Could be totally wrong here... ;):)


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    #65
    tabby aspreme
    Registered Users Posts: 3,850 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    That super slag is now being shipped in bulk into Waterford, quoted mid fifties delivered not spread 70 miles from Waterford , if a tonne has the same neutralizing effect as a tonne of lime + 40 units of P and trace elements it might be ok don't think its as concentrated as the old slag though .

    The lad on done deal put up a post advertising on here last week and the mods scrapped it straight away


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    #66
    lottos owner
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    Username John wrote: »
    I paid 18euro / ton for lime the start of this year, for 40 tons, this was from a well known supplier in Cork.
    I found another place that will deliver it for 15euro/ton, this is from another quarry, not sure what this is like now, havent heard anything about it only price...
    where was the 15 euro a ton?


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    #67
    TalkingBull
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    tabby aspreme wrote: »
    That super slag is now being shipped in bulk into Waterford, quoted mid fifties delivered not spread 70 miles from Waterford , if a tonne has the same neutralizing effect as a tonne of lime + 40 units of P and trace elements it might be ok don't think its as concentrated as the old slag though .

    The lad on done deal put up a post advertising on here last week and the mods scrapped it straight away

    anyone had slag spread/delivered? was there much response from grass? im guessing its in bulk loads its delivered same as lime..


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    #68
    Sam Kade
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    emmemm wrote: »
    if you know somone with a lorry considerable savings can be made.

    Yeah, they'll draw it for half price, the same goes for silage contractors.


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    #69
    Farrell
    Registered Users Posts: 2,262 ✭✭✭Farrell


    TalkingBull wrote: »
    anyone had slag spread/delivered? was there much response from grass? im guessing its in bulk loads its delivered same as lime..

    Spread it earlier in the year, noticed grass growing through the rushes.
    Bought it in 50kg bags.


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    #70
    Hobby farmer
    Registered Users Posts: 85 ✭✭Hobby farmer


    Farrell wrote: »
    Spread it earlier in the year, noticed grass growing through the rushes.
    Bought it in 50kg bags.

    7 years later?


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    #71
    Farrell
    Registered Users Posts: 2,262 ✭✭✭Farrell


    Hobby farmer wrote: »
    7 years later?

    Slag is supposed to last 2-2.5 years


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    #72
    Keepgrowing
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    adne wrote: »
    It roughly 480 for a 20 tonne loa delivered and spread. 24 euro a tonne


    Spread 250 tonne on Mon/Tuesday. €19/tonne spread

    Regardless of how many tonne required I'd only spread 2 tonne per acre at a time.

    Soil sample will tell you ph. In my view all fields should be soil samples annually if one is farming above 2 Lu/ha other wise sample low index annually and rest every 2 yrs. it's ine of the best returning money one can spend


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    #73
    White Clover
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    Keepgrowing wrote: »
    Spread 250 tonne on Mon/Tuesday. €19/tonne spread

    Regardless of how many tonne required I'd only spread 2 tonne per acre at a time.

    Soil sample will tell you ph. In my view all fields should be soil samples annually if one is farming above 2 Lu/ha other wise sample low index annually and rest every 2 yrs. it's ine of the best returning money one can spend

    You're spot on when you say it's the best money one could spend. I spread approx 75% of the farm last year, 1.75T/acre (high Mo area here).
    The difference in the quality and quantity of grass is really obvious. Doing the remaining 25% this year if we get another bit of drying and will be spreading again next year.


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    #74
    yosemitesam1
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    Keepgrowing wrote: »
    Spread 250 tonne on Mon/Tuesday. €19/tonne spread

    Regardless of how many tonne required I'd only spread 2 tonne per acre at a time.

    Soil sample will tell you ph. In my view all fields should be soil samples annually if one is farming above 2 Lu/ha other wise sample low index annually and rest every 2 yrs. it's ine of the best returning money one can spend

    Worth noting that ph doesnt always tell the full story, you could have a high ph and need lime or a low ph and only need magnesium


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    #75
    jfh
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    Keepgrowing wrote: »
    Spread 250 tonne on Mon/Tuesday. €19/tonne spread

    Regardless of how many tonne required I'd only spread 2 tonne per acre at a time.

    Soil sample will tell you ph. In my view all fields should be soil samples annually if one is farming above 2 Lu/ha other wise sample low index annually and rest every 2 yrs. it's ine of the best returning money one can spend

    that's a lot cheaper than i'm paying, 24/ tonne spread


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    #76
    Hobby farmer
    Registered Users Posts: 85 ✭✭Hobby farmer


    Farrell wrote: »
    Slag is supposed to last 2-2.5 years

    Sincere apologies I landed home with a few in me and only read the first and last comments on the thread! Then decided a snide comment was the way forward.


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    #77
    Keepgrowing
    Registered Users Posts: 2,485 ✭✭✭Keepgrowing


    yosemitesam1 wrote: »
    Worth noting that ph doesnt always tell the full story, you could have a high ph and need lime or a low ph and only need magnesium

    How do you know what exactly is required?


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    #78
    mahoney_j
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    Keepgrowing wrote: »
    Spread 250 tonne on Mon/Tuesday. €19/tonne spread

    Regardless of how many tonne required I'd only spread 2 tonne per acre at a time.

    Soil sample will tell you ph. In my view all fields should be soil samples annually if one is farming above 2 Lu/ha other wise sample low index annually and rest every 2 yrs. it's ine of the best returning money one can spend

    19 euro tonne ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜23 spread here .still cheap fertliser and should be starting point in correcting soil fertility on any farm


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    #79
    Waffletraktor
    Registered Users Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭Waffletraktor


    Keepgrowing wrote: »
    adne wrote: »
    It roughly 480 for a 20 tonne loa delivered and spread. 24 euro a tonne


    Spread 250 tonne on Mon/Tuesday. 19/tonne spread

    Regardless of how many tonne required I'd only spread 2 tonne per acre at a time.

    Soil sample will tell you ph. In my view all fields should be soil samples annually if one is farming above 2 Lu/ha other wise sample low index annually and rest every 2 yrs. it's ine of the best returning money one can spend
    If outputs your thing drainage and ph related issues correcting are the cheapest investment


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    #80
    jfh
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    If you don't mind me asking, what part of the country are ye getting it for 19€


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    #81
    freedominacup
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    jfh wrote: »
    If you don't mind me asking, what part of the country are ye getting it for 19€

    I have a suspicion he can see the quarry. Close enough to shout the order in. General consensus at our last dg meeting was €22-23 spread. Around an hour from the quarries.


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    #82
    yosemitesam1
    Registered Users Posts: 2,927 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    Keepgrowing wrote: »
    How do you know what exactly is required?

    This explains it fairly well but keep in mind that its more of an art than an exact science because you're always going to be trying to balance unknowns.

    http://www.soilminerals.com/Cation_Exchange_Simplified.htm

    A base saturation test of a mix of your best and worse fields might show up something interesting that could be corrected overtime but in your case I doubt there's much room for improvement with your growth figures but possibly something worth watching over longer term to avoid messing up whatever ratios are currently getting results.


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    #83
    rangler1
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    Had a demonstration of this on my farm today.
    Looks a bit gimmicky to me, mixing lime with the fertiliser and spraying it on.
    Anyone know anything about it
    Supposed to be all the rage in New zealand

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhFUWjs8iQY


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    #84
    Waffletraktor
    Registered Users Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭Waffletraktor


    yosemitesam1 wrote: »

    This explains it fairly well but keep in mind that its more of an art than an exact science because you're always going to be trying to balance unknowns.

    http://www.soilminerals.com/Cation_Exchange_Simplified.htm

    A base saturation test of a mix of your best and worse fields might show up something interesting that could be corrected overtime but in your case I doubt there's much room for improvement with your growth figures but possibly something worth watching over longer term to avoid messing up whatever ratios are currently getting results.
    Taking tissue samples a few times over a season is the only true measure of what's there and is actually available. Soil samples just say it's there.


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    #85
    freedominacup
    Registered Users Posts: 7,920 ✭✭✭freedominacup


    Waffletraktor wrote: »
    Taking tissue samples a few times over a season is the only true measure of what's there and is actually available. Soil samples just say it's there.

    How much variance do you see between the basic soil sample and the tissue sample?


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    #86
    Keepgrowing
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    Waffletraktor wrote: »
    If outputs your thing drainage and ph related issues correcting are the cheapest investment

    Drainage is not an issue here. Not one meter of drainage pipe on the cow block.
    Very lucky. A couple or three springs piped to a river is all

    Boys ground


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    Keepgrowing
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    freedominacup wrote: »
    I have a suspicion he can see the quarry. Close enough to shout the order in. General consensus at our last dg meeting was €22-23 spread. Around an hour from the quarries.

    6 miles


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    #88
    Waffletraktor
    Registered Users Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭Waffletraktor


    freedominacup wrote: »
    How much variance do you see between the basic soil sample and the tissue sample?
    "soil analysis to give you a snapshot (which may be less specific which is its drawback) and then tissue to give you real time (and its drawback is that it is momentary)"
    Depends how far down the rabbit hole you want to go!
    Have fields mapped for soil type and yield mapping(tools to help catch up on what a farmer will know about their fields over a good few years more so) to say whats produced to 1.5% yield accuracy what i have been banging the combine dealers door down for is a machine to tell the analysis of grain quality/contents(milk record every cow, every milking) on the fly, its on a bench in most merchants office just not on the combine.
    Its not that theres a big difference its more fine tuning things(put out less inputs) to the optimum,try dig out a few results of tests on the same area. When your maxing out your output and inputs like most the dairy guys are/close to its a bit like using samples as a spot light into the dark vs a narrower beam of tissue sampling to focus in on an issue. Of course its the cost issue of all this as to if its worth the hassel and as we are here are coming from virtually sterile fertilised soils vs high om well fertilised grass which is normally a good indicator of soil health so long as you dont do damage with cows/machinery in the wet. Just bewary of like yosemitesam said of something going wrong. Its arable focused but give this a read to get an idea for such a flaky response as its down so much to ones own interpretation, anyone who claims to be an expert slap them in the face especially if trying to sell you something!!

    https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/albrecht-versus-conventional-soil-testing-my-experiments.712/


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    #89
    Dawggone
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    Waffletraktor wrote: »
    "soil analysis to give you a snapshot (which may be less specific which is its drawback) and then tissue to give you real time (and its drawback is that it is momentary)"
    Depends how far down the rabbit hole you want to go!
    Have fields mapped for soil type and yield mapping(tools to help catch up on what a farmer will know about their fields over a good few years more so) to say whats produced to 1.5% yield accuracy what i have been banging the combine dealers door down for is a machine to tell the analysis of grain quality/contents(milk record every cow, every milking) on the fly, its on a bench in most merchants office just not on the combine.
    Its not that theres a big difference its more fine tuning things(put out less inputs) to the optimum,try dig out a few results of tests on the same area. When your maxing out your output and inputs like most the dairy guys are/close to its a bit like using samples as a spot light into the dark vs a narrower beam of tissue sampling to focus in on an issue. Of course its the cost issue of all this as to if its worth the hassel and as we are here are coming from virtually sterile fertilised soils vs high om well fertilised grass which is normally a good indicator of soil health so long as you dont do damage with cows/machinery in the wet. Just bewary of like yosemitesam said of something going wrong. Its arable focused but give this a read to get an idea for such a flaky response as its down so much to ones own interpretation, anyone who claims to be an expert slap them in the face especially if trying to sell you something!!

    https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/albrecht-versus-conventional-soil-testing-my-experiments.712/

    +1. Good post.

    I spent a lot of money on soil and tissue analysis at home. This was on worn tillage ground that was very low on OM, and as you say 'how far down the rabbit hole do you want to go?'...
    I now have high OM soils that are well drained and free of compaction, and it makes it all so easy...now weak/poor patches, very little chemical fertilisers, no trace element deficiencies etc.
    Get the ph right, look after soil structure, and lots of fym.

    Water is also highly important, not too much (compaction) or too little (drought).

    Easy enough to see consequences of drought...


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    #90
    Mooooo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Would any of ye use the albrecht soil analysis?


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    #91
    Keepgrowing
    Registered Users Posts: 2,485 ✭✭✭Keepgrowing


    Where do ye guys stand on the value of FYM?
    Love the stuff here, wouldn't be mad about the spreading under the cattle but love spreading the end result on ground.

    Converted a tillage farm to grass in 05 and it took 5 yrs to get up to the poorest performing paddocks on home block. Spread all our FYM on it for the 5 yrs, turned it inside out. One particular paddock was growing 8 tonne for 2 yrs after grassing has grown 18 as last Sunday. It's probably on target for >20 tonne this year.

    We now concentrate FYM on the bottom performing 25% each October. A figure I've somewhere in my head is that each 4*4 bale of barley straw imported has €5-6 of P value. Am I off my rocker?


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