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Individual liberties, regulation and the obesity epidemic (and possibly other stuff)

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    #92
    swampgas
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    Permabear wrote: »
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    I don't disagree with you entirely, but what about (for example) the smoking in the workplace ban? That is an instance of reducing certain personal freedoms - the freedom to smoke at work - in order to improve "the greater good", the health of the nation as a whole.

    Tell me, which scurrilous lobby group twisted the government's arm to pass that particular piece of legislation?


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    Tiddlypeeps
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    As I stated, I don't think it does have a negative effect on society. You are the one who stated that it is banned because of it's negative effect on society so I have no idea why are trying to get me to defend that stance.
    Permabear wrote: »
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    It is impossible to focus the law on protecting individual rights, as I pointed out in more detail in response to Jank you need to inhibit the rights of some to protect the rights of others, there is lots of overlap to the point that lots of things become very grey, very few rights are infallible.
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    It is true that legislation is often influenced by people who should have little to no say in the matter, I don't think anyone is arguing in favour of that.

    I might be naive but I don't think that last line holds true for Ireland just yet, it does certainly seem to be the case in the US tho. We'll have to agree to disagree on that tho because neither of us can possibly know the real motivations of any individual legislators we can only speculate.
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    So why attempt to pass a law involving limiting the portion sizes of sugary drinks or a sugar tax? There is plenty of room for debate on weather it'll be effective or not, but trying to state the motivations behind it are self serving is a bit odd.


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    recedite
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    jank wrote: »
    How many homes are in an off shore trust?
    Dunno, but don't ask Russell Brand that question, it touches a nerve apparently...
    The same guy wants us all to "skip work" and march against water charges.

    A good example of hypocrisy and hot air from the loony left, while the right laugh all the way to the bank?


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    Hotblack Desiato
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    In practice, this means creationism on the curriculum in places like the southern USA. Yay flexibility!

    Children deserve a proper education, even if they're unfortunate enough to grow up in a locality with large numbers of religious loons.

    Life ain't always empty.



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    Hotblack Desiato
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    We certainly can do better - we waste a great deal of time and resources on a dead language for emotional reasons, the history syllabus is heavily influenced by ideology, and we need to get indoctrination out of the classroom - but at least we don't teach creationism as fact.

    If we devolved the curriculum to the local level and there were localities in favour of religious extremism in the classroom, how would that be a positive development? In a modern western country it's very difficult for religion to have that sort of influence on an entire nation, but it's still possible in local areas.

    Life ain't always empty.



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