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[article] Lorries banned from tunnel's right-hand lanes

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  • #32
    murphaph
    Registered Users Posts: 19,018 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    spacetweek wrote:
    The Eastern BP is very much on the agenda. And I'd like to think that Relief of the Quays was done to get f'ing trucks off our antiquated quays which were designed for horses and carts centuries ago.
    It isn't included in Transport21 so it's off the agenda for some time yet. A lot could change to keep it off the agenda. I really think it's totally OTT to be spending billions on an eastern bypass when we should be trying to get people out of their cars and onto public transport and the (at least) 2 or 3 billion an Eastern Bypass would cost could build a full metro line and pay for buses and bus priority measures to spread said metro line's catchment area.

    If Dublin had a proper PT network then congestion charging within the M50 or canal rings coupled with charging for 'junction hopping' alng the M50 could return the motorway to its original bypass function.

    It's decades away, but better to aim for that than build an eastern bypass. Who would use it anyway? It'd cost a fortune (at least €12 for a car, probably more).


  • #33
    spacetweek
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,947 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    murphaph wrote:
    It isn't included in Transport21 so it's off the agenda for some time yet. A lot could change to keep it off the agenda.
    Just checked T21 plans - my God you're right, it's not listed. The PT will hopefully be enough to act as the entry/exit point for the city centre to and from the M50, at least once the M50 is upgraded. Maybe no more is needed.

    Also the Eastern BP would be tremendously disruptive to the city, apparently much of it would be elevated US-style. I'm not into that and it's frowned on internationally now.


  • #34
    murphaph
    Registered Users Posts: 19,018 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    spacetweek wrote:
    Also the Eastern BP would be tremendously disruptive to the city, apparently much of it would be elevated US-style. I'm not into that and it's frowned on internationally now.
    And the areas of south Dublin the road would pass through are barrister laden to say the least! It'd get the best quality legal challenges ever seen in this country! The road would not be elevated though-a pretty clear alignmant has been maintained by the old Dublin County Council and latterly DLRCC. Some CPO's would be required but theys likely have to set the road in a trench like the A12 westlink and it's very long to be doing that (costly), and that's before you start your tunnel under Dublin Bay! $$$$$$$$$$$$$:eek:


  • #35
    Victor
    Registered Users Posts: 78,234 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    murphaph wrote:
    It isn't included in Transport21 so it's off the agenda for some time yet.
    Really, do you have a project list for T21 (there is none). :p
    spacetweek wrote:
    Just checked T21 plans - my God you're right, it's not listed. The PT will hopefully be enough to act as the entry/exit point for the city centre to and from the M50, at least once the M50 is upgraded. Maybe no more is needed.
    The Eastern Bypass must be prevented from becoming a commuting route and that is stated policy.
    Also the Eastern BP would be tremendously disruptive to the city, apparently much of it would be elevated US-style. I'm not into that and it's frowned on internationally now.
    No the vast majority would be in tunnel from the North Port to UCD and more or less at grade from UCD to Sandyford.


  • #36
    murphaph
    Registered Users Posts: 19,018 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    Victor wrote:
    Really, do you have a project list for T21 (there is none).
    There's this. It's not on that and it'd certainly be classified as "major".


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  • #37
    Victor
    Registered Users Posts: 78,234 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    LOL. Does that list individual projects with scope, indicative routes, junctions / stations and dare I say ...... budgets?


  • #38
    stag39
    Closed Accounts Posts: 317 ✭✭stag39


    the law states that "Hgv's are not allowed to drive on the right hand lane"

    ie. to drive in a lane is to sit in that lane and not pull back into the left hand lane..

    it does not say a Hgv is not allowed "to go" in the right hand lane so allowing it the Hgv to overtake a slow driver ...imho


  • #39
    darkman2
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,633 ✭✭✭darkman2


    Victor wrote:
    Really, do you have a project list for T21 (there is none). :pThe Eastern Bypass must be prevented from becoming a commuting route and that is stated policy.No the vast majority would be in tunnel from the North Port to UCD and more or less at grade from UCD to Sandyford.


    Eh why shouldnt the eastern bypass be a commuter route? Thats the idea behind a fully orbital ring road. You cant restrict cars from using it as its presently designed.


  • #40
    murphaph
    Registered Users Posts: 19,018 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    darkman2 wrote:
    Eh why shouldnt the eastern bypass be a commuter route?
    The M50 provides a hundred thousand disgruntled reasons a day.
    darkman2 wrote:
    Thats the idea behind a fully orbital ring road
    No it's not. Bypasses are for traffic bypassing a town or city, not moving from one point to another in that town or city.

    Urban commuting should be catered for by public transport with a small percentage reliant on private vehicles.


  • #41
    corktina
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    stag39 wrote:
    the law states that "Hgv's are not allowed to drive on the right hand lane"

    ie. to drive in a lane is to sit in that lane and not pull back into the left hand lane..

    it does not say a Hgv is not allowed "to go" in the right hand lane so allowing it the Hgv to overtake a slow driver ...imho
    can you give chapter and verse on that please.....


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  • #42
    Hagar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,793 ✭✭✭✭Hagar


    stag39 wrote:
    the law states that "Hgv's are not allowed to drive on the right hand lane"

    ie. to drive in a lane is to sit in that lane and not pull back into the left hand lane..

    it does not say a Hgv is not allowed "to go" in the right hand lane so allowing it the Hgv to overtake a slow driver ...imho

    I think you may be on to something there.
    All the HGV driver has to do is "to go" into the rightmost lane and overtake without driving.
    You sir, have cracked it.:rolleyes:


  • #43
    corktina
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    i dont think that arguement will impress a Gard intent on booking you....and will it stand up in court (at vast expense) ?....


  • #44
    Victor
    Registered Users Posts: 78,234 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    stag39 wrote:
    the law states that "Hgv's are not allowed to drive on the right hand lane" ie. to drive in a lane is to sit in that lane and not pull back into the left hand lane.. it does not say a Hgv is not allowed "to go" in the right hand lane so allowing it the Hgv to overtake a slow driver ...imho
    You might have amarginal point and it would depend on exactly what the law says (where is this in the Road Traffic acts?). If you pull out of a side road and use a bus lane to accelerate as you pull into the driving lane, are you driving in the bus lane?
    darkman2 wrote:
    Eh why shouldnt the eastern bypass be a commuter route? Thats the idea behind a fully orbital ring road. You cant restrict cars from using it as its presently designed.
    Because the city centre can't sustain the number of cars it would deliver.


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