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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 10,243 Mod ✭✭✭✭flogen


    anyone know when rte news revamp will happen? theres been talk about this for ages?

    I'd say it will come alongside the RTÉ One revamp which is on the way.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Telefís


    Yes September is going to be an exciting month for presentation fans.
    RTÉ One as a station has not had a full scale rebrand for six years now, with Sept 2003 only heralding a relatively low key set of new idents (the introductory part before programmes) which were not overly dissimilar to the Sept 2000 set. So this September is going to be very interesting.
    A lot of water has passed under the bridge in Ireland over the course of this time, so it'll be fascinating to see how RTÉ reflects modern Ireland in 2006, but moreover how it views itself and the image it wishes to convey to the public.

    So we'll have a brand new station identity, a brand new News look which is particularly exciting as all news relaunches are :):o, including all summaries and short bulletins too.

    Prime Time will probably be given the same treatment. At present it barely even has a 'look' - rather they've a vague scheme of redness that alters from programme to programme, including the ghastly 'set' and graphics, both of which change as they please to suit programme requirements. This has to stop. They've no distinctive identity at all save the cheap and crass intro titles.

    Also the Late Late may get a new look - another hideous set that's been around for three years now. Pat probably only has three years left in him, so now's the time to change. In general in the industry I think the current Late Late set is regarded as one of the great travesties of modern Irish broadcasting, and should be dealt with accordingly this September. Whether it will is another matter....

    And also The Week in Politics will get a new look too - probably in line with whatever News image is conjured up.

    Maybe even The View will be tarted up, given its muted set and graphics have been around a good while now.

    All in all, a very exciting time :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Telefís


    Also the station will probably go fully widescreen/14:9 letterbox in Sept, which will also have to include upgrading the Dáil, something which is not often considered.
    So big big changes ahead.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 986 ✭✭✭ateam


    Do you think the revamp will include a few presenter changes too? Anne Doyle maybe?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Telefís


    Highly unlikely with Doyle, though I suspect Una O'Hagan will (rightfully) return to Six One by then, if not earlier. Ní Bheoláin, as long a time as she has been there now, is still only a temp as far as I know, resulting from personal matters with O'Hagan.

    Sigh, another running order disaster on Nine last night. Scroll to 6.20:

    http://dynamic.rte.ie/quickaxs/9news.smil

    I could post a raft of these links from the past few months, but there's little point in confirming what we already know about RTÉ News presentation.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 28,128 ✭✭✭✭Mossy Monk


    i saw that **** up. whoever was running the autocue deserves a beating


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,286 ✭✭✭SprostonGreen


    The midlands correspondant Ciaran Mullhooly has strangest sounding voice I've ever heard. I'm sure he's good at his job, but really he could easily do voice overs for cartoons.

    Teilifis, your assessment was as accurate as it was eloquent, I take my hat off to you sir!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭snickerpuss


    Ah i don't think RTÉ news is that bad. Certainly better then the rubbish that is garish TV3.
    And i agree that TG4 make brilliant and interesting history documentaries.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 28,128 ✭✭✭✭Mossy Monk


    agreed 100%

    RTÉ News before the rest of them for me too
    TV3 and Sky News are too tabloid and TG4 is as Gaeilge, i'm not fluent


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Telefís


    Most certainly RTÉ News's extent of coverage or journalistic integrity are not in question here (aside from a rather left-leaning, liberal editorial line) - rather it is their often appalling production values as originally noted by Ray777.

    That's not to say there aren't excellent people there too, very well aware of the impact of decent presentation - Seán Wheelan, Europe Editor is fantastic and complies excellent reports with an equally impressive camera operator/editor.
    Emma O'Kelly, Education Corr is equally professional and delivers some great stuff, as is the Nothern office with Tommie Gorman, Brendan Wright and Declan McBennett - they too generally make informative, reflective and insightful reports making use of best practice news gathering and presentation techniques.
    Alas HQ in Montrose is nothing short of a shambles.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 82 ✭✭Bixmoo


    Sounds like I'm being sarcastic, but Teilifis you really seem to know a lot about the workings of news and stuff, have you considered a job in the area or do you already have one?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Telefís


    Maybe and maybe...

    Watching Nine tonight, yet another missed cue at the start :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,978 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    I feel a sticky is needed to catalogue this events!

    Mike.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Telefís


    Oh go on then, here's some links. I said I wouldn't, but really and truly this matter is deserving of wider public attention. It is disgraceful the utter muck RTÉ is allowed to churn out to us on a nightly basis. All of the links below are of studio operation disasters, all mostly fixable, but really it is in matters of reporting and broader presentation issues that RTÉ's problems really lie, matters that are difficult to encapsulate with incidents like these.
    It is also important to point out that just about all of these events are production-based, and nothing to do with the poor old presenters (except Aengus of course).

    So not only do we have Aengus MacIncompetent himself as posted above from the other day, but also this hilarious incident from a while ago. This was posted on Boards before - scroll to 0.40:

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2005/0119/1news/1news56.smil


    Poor Bryan with this from the other day. Autocue/running order yet again. Scroll to 43.00:

    http://dynamic.rte.ie/av/2135470.smil



    Poor Una with a pathetic VT feck-up last weekend. Scroll to 5.06:

    http://dynamic.rte.ie/av/2136659.smil



    Not a funny clip, but the extraordinarily appalling audio of the 1916 coverage - created by none other than RTÉ's own generators!

    http://dynamic.rte.ie/av/2132259.smil


    Anne Doyle forced to read headlines to camera the other week because the titles and headlines VT was down:

    http://dynamic.rte.ie/av/2133860.smil


    Six One three weeks ago and what a disaster!!! Note the appalling direction and hear the director flapping about the place in Bryan's earpiece. Bryan also forced to read the headlines to camera as the headline package was down again. Scroll to 1.04:

    [url]rtsp://streaming2.rte.ie/2006/0413/6news-119377-200.rm[/url]


    Poor Eileen - it could happen to the best of us, but it's funny anyway :D. Scroll to 21.05:

    http://dynamic.rte.ie/av/2120844.smil


    Anne Doyle telling an anecdote about the Pope to Justin Treacy the sports reader during a report beacuse her mic was accidentally turned back on. Scroll to 14.53:

    http://dynamic.rte.ie/av/2090673.smil


    Posted this hilarous one of Sharon Ní Bheoláin before. Again it can happen to anyone, and isn't really fair to post it, but I think she's a poor newsreader so tough! . Scroll to 28.35:

    http://dynamic.rte.ie/av/2082758.smil


    An hilarous Six One below in which everything that could go wrong did go wrong. Presentation (the main station control section) was having big problems on RTÉ One during Six One, and so is was disaster after disaster. Here's that appalling weathercaster Gerry Murphy being cut up during Six One while rehearsing for his bulletin :D. Scroll to 41.55:

    http://dynamic.rte.ie/av/2076536.smil

    And scroll on to 50.10 for an RTÉ One screen shot appearing during the bulletin. This programme also suffered sporadic blackouts about three times.


    Watch Bryan closely, then Sharon's trying not to laugh. Scroll to 1.00 minute in:

    http://dynamic.rte.ie/av/2108044.smil


    Not to mention countless others. Welcome to the wonderful world of RTÉ News.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,978 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Stop! You're scareing me! :D

    Mike.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,425 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    Well I hope Sharon keeps the Six O'Clock slot as I think she is a decent news reader and easy on the eye ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,713 ✭✭✭crushproof


    Telef&#237 wrote: »


    Watch Bryan closely, then Sharon's trying not to laugh. Scroll to 1.00 minute in:

    http://dynamic.rte.ie/av/2108044.smil


    Haha, thats the funniest of the lot! "Whoops, the chair just jumped!" Classic!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,286 ✭✭✭SprostonGreen


    Last nights bulletin on RTE 1, you could hear either a radio or Tv in the studio. I think Una O'Hagan was aware of it.

    Its like Drop the Dead Donkey.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,416 ✭✭✭doh.ie


    Telef&#237 wrote: »
    Highly unlikely with Doyle, though I suspect Una O'Hagan will (rightfully) return to Six One by then, if not earlier. Ní Bheoláin, as long a time as she has been there now, is still only a temp as far as I know, resulting from personal matters with O'Hagan.

    Sigh, another running order disaster on Nine last night. Scroll to 6.20:

    http://dynamic.rte.ie/quickaxs/9news.smil

    I could post a raft of these links from the past few months, but there's little point in confirming what we already know about RTÉ News presentation.

    Classic. Loved this and Aengus's mistake! In this one, you can hear Eileen going, "Autocue's gone!" while speaking to Paul Reynolds'. We had another thread going a while back with a batch of these saved up. TV3 had a mistake a few weeks ago with a reporter going, "The film opens in cinemas... nah, I'll do that again. One, two, three. The film opens in cinemas nationwide on Friday." Well funny.


  • Registered Users Posts: 22,231 ✭✭✭✭Sparky


    Last nights bulletin on RTE 1, you could hear either a radio or Tv in the studio. I think Una O'Hagan was aware of it.

    Its like Drop the Dead Donkey.

    I seen that :D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Telefís


    What's that with Una O'Hagan, the late night bulletin at around 11.30?

    I thought this thread was resurrected because of the car crash bulletin that was the One O'Clock news today - an absolute disaster, with error after error after error - missed cues, two reports going down, no pictures assembled for the main story in the headline VT, a dodgy link to Ciarán Muloolly, disasterous in studio camera operation....

    Watch it here:

    http://dynamic.rte.ie/av/2143532.smil

    Watch the headlines at the start, or scroll to 2.31 for another feck up, or 13.06 to watch Finnerty and the report that goes down mid-way, which is followed by a short shark story and then another football VT that goes down. Or to 11.14 for terrible camera operation, amongst many others...

    It simply beggars belief the sh*te they're churning out - heads have to roll over it at this stage. These are not one-off errors - this is virtually every day of the week now.

    By the way I don't watch RTÉ News obsessively ;), all the above links have been compiled by various contributors to this thread on the presentation site TVForum over the past few months: http://www.tvforum.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15258&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=516


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 388 ✭✭Milktrolley


    Telefís you crack me up! These are all genuine classics! More than enough for a 'Best of' DVD at least once a year. Probably even monthly.

    From yesterday and this evening come these mess ups:

    http://dynamic.rte.ie/av/2165560.smil (16 August)
    It's not a great one by any means, but scroll to 27:20*, and see Sharon get conflustered. Keep watching through the credits - it's hard to tell with the quality of this clip, but I swore yesterday evening I saw her rip out her earpiece. Judge for yourself. She certainly seems to be holding something in her hand after she reaches into her hair.

    *The exact position may change if the ad breaks are edited out, which I assume RTÉ will do in time. It's right before the credits, in any case.


    http://dynamic.rte.ie/av/2165815.smil (17 August)
    Scroll to 7:12, where we see 'Eurovision News' menus once again - amazingly it seems to go unnoticed!


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,726 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    whatever about the technical screwups, what annoys me most about RTE news is the appalling standards of reporting. Many of the location reporters sound like schoolchildren reading "what i did on my holidays" essays.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Tha Gopher


    If Derek Mooney likes him,He can't be that bad :p

    boards.ie already has one crowd suing for libel, are ya looking for a second? :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 602 ✭✭✭mickd


    Telef&#237 wrote: »
    Tommie Gorman, Brendan Wright and Declan McBennett - they too generally make informative, reflective and insightful reports making use of best practice news gathering and presentation techniques.
    What about Richard Crowley quality newsreader 20 yrs ago and his reports from the middle east are on a par with the beeb.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 388 ✭✭Milktrolley


    http://dynamic.rte.ie/av/2069147.smil
    From August 23rd last year. This was the second night of The Rose of Tralee, so presumably this bulletin would have commanded higher viewing figures. The autocue, seemingly, doesn't match the running order. Scroll to 10:41


  • Registered Users Posts: 19 Sgt Pepper


    I have mixed feelings on RTE news all round. Sometimes i find the order the news stories appear/are presented in, leaves me dumbfounded. Very often they lead with the wrong headline/story. It occurs so often i have to ask myself if someone on the team, {whoever decides the running order for the stories} has a social/political aganda.

    For example, i find stories pertaining to men's rights/affairs in general take a back seat, while women's issues get pole position by comparison. I see no reason for this - other than a feminist influence within the news team itself. Also, international stories {often trivial} lead the bulletins over stories of acute national importance. I find this infuriating also.


  • Registered Users Posts: 116 ✭✭Paddy Irishman


    Anybody else see the RTE News on Two bulletin from Wednesday August 16th, 2006 (the night Ireland were whacked 4-0 by Holland) where the lights went out? Anthony Murrnane passed over to Joe Stack for the sports bulletin and just as Joe begins, the lights go out! Joe however keeps it together by reading the sports news in the dark when all of a sudden they cut to the weather. When the weathers finished they return to the news where Murrnane covers up the incident with a "someone forgot to pay the light bill" joke. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 350 ✭✭Ray777


    When the weathers finished they return to the news where Murrnane covers up the incident with a "someone forgot to pay the light bill" joke. :)

    I was impressed with that, actually. I reckon, you'd kind of need a sense of humour when working with the amateurs in RTÉ. I remember something similar happening to Anne Doyle a couple of years ago on the Nine News, and when they returned, she looked like she was ready to tear someone a new arsehole.


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    How would you compare it to tv Three news?
    Notice the way they have some Light Fluffy Entertainment news before the weather to keep people watching until the very end..
    Did anyone ever notice how TV3 always seem to overrun the news until about 6:02? I tend to think its an attempt to prevent people switching to RTÉ since they'll miss the first minute or two.


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