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Nazi experiments on humans.

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  • #32
    enfant terrible
    Registered Users Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    Mr. Incognito wrote: »
    No more chilling than the Americans irradiating middle american towns in secret including pregnant women to study the effects.

    What are you trying to say the Americans are just as bad?

    If so why?


  • #33
    kneemos
    Registered Users Posts: 20,408 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    DazMarz wrote: »
    While it will never be condoned or widely acknowledged, the fact is that the vast majority of the knowledge possessed by modern doctors about human physiology and the endurance of the human body to extremes of cold, heat, air pressure, drinking seawater, etc. comes directly from a lot of experiments carried out by Nazi doctors in their concentration camp "hospitals".

    It is also a fact that the majority of clinical studies in the fields of medicine, psychology, etc. are all based on case studies. Why? Because it is morally, ethically and medically wrong to experiment on humans as the after-effects could be disastrous.

    I think there is a memorial stone at the camp in Auschwitz that simply reads "Never Again". We can only live in hope that it never does happen again.

    N.Korea could have stories to reveal if it ever opens up.


  • #34
    Nemeses
    Registered Users Posts: 1,829 ✭✭✭Nemeses


    kneemos wrote: »
    N.Korea could have stories to reveal if it ever opens up.

    Their time will come soon...

    An I bet every last penny we'd wish we never knew!!


  • #35
    Duggy747
    Registered Users Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭Duggy747


    The Nazis and Japanese Army were grotesque in what they did, victims were just pieces of meat to be dissected and have their bodies pushed to the limit.

    People like Aribert Heim and Josef Mengele were like something out of a gore porn movie like Hostel or Human Centipede.
    Mengele's experiments also included attempts to change eye colour by injecting chemicals into children's eyes, various amputations of limbs, and other surgeries such as kidney removal, without anaesthesia.[17] Rena Gelissen's account of her time in Auschwitz details certain experiments performed on female prisoners around October 1943. Mengele would experiment on the chosen girls, performing forced sterilization and electroconvulsive therapy. Most of the victims died, because of either the experiments or later infections........

    ........Mengele did a number of studies on twins. After an experiment was over, the twins were usually killed and their bodies dissected. He supervised an operation by which two Roma children were sewn together to create conjoined twins; the hands of the children became badly infected where the veins had been resected; these twins soon died of an uncontrolled gangrene infection. In another "experiment", he connected a 7-year-old girl's urinary tract to her colon.[18]

    As for N. Korea, there's plenty of accounts from escapees on the level of horror going on there, especially around some of the more known concentration camps like Camp 14 and Camp 22


  • #36
    .Henry Sellers.
    Registered Users Posts: 567 ✭✭✭.Henry Sellers.


    Remember reading a book about Mengele, he was planning on having a museum of the skeletons of dwarfs and twins, basically any human body that had an abnormality. One story that stuck in my mind was of a big vat that was used in Mengele's camp to throw bodies into to prepare for his museum.

    The bodies would be boiled and the flesh would fall off the bone to produce a meat free skeleton for Mengele's museum, think they were bleached later to make the bones pure white. Anyway a new team of Jewish workers that came to the extermination camp that would get benefits for helping out raced over to the boiling vat thinking it was the days food being cooked and they began gorging themselves with any flesh floating on the surface only to be told that it was human flesh they were eating.

    Pretty freaky.


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  • #37
    gctest50
    Registered Users Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    enfant terrible wrote: »
    What are you trying to say the Americans are just as bad?

    If so why?

    http://www.uvm.edu/~lkaelber/eugenics/

    will get you started


  • #38
    Christ the Redeemer
    Registered Users Posts: 463 ✭✭Christ the Redeemer


    Look up what the Yanks did too. Google keyword Project MKULTRA


  • #39
    Amalgam
    Registered Users Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭Amalgam


    Years ago, mitching from school, I made my way into Easons to waste some time before 'appearing' at home.. picked up Nazi Doctors by Robert Jay Lifton. ISBN 13: 9780465049059 ISBN 10: 0465049052

    First time in years getting nauseous. Very technical and 'matter of factly'. It was the psychology of it that upset me. Injections into the heart, injecting petrol, getting people to sit or lie on radioactive material for hours..

    A few bodies have made statements that their data is *not* derived from work done by the Nazis. It is murky though, a lot of 'work' on the effects of air/water pressure, or lack of it, on the human body, has part of its history from those times..

    Not sure if there's any particular version worth picking up, it has been revised, but even first run copies from the late 80s are cheap on eBay.


  • #40
    DazMarz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,493 ✭✭✭DazMarz


    MKULTRA was an unbelievable, shameful part of American history.

    Add in Operation: Paperclip. Under Paperclip, ex-Nazi and ex-Imperial scientists, military officers and engineers were ferried to the USA to divulge secrets of their regimes to further the military and technological advances. Most famous amongst the Paperclip scientists was German rocket scientist Werner von Braun, who's designs for V2 Rockets were instrumental in NASA and the technology used to land upon the moon.

    But is is long rumoured and conspired that many members of the SS and Unit 731 were also shipped to the USA and continued their experiments for and at the behest of the United States government, the CIA and the US Military. How much of this actually went on will probably never be truly known.


  • #41
    Clandestine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,466 ✭✭✭Clandestine


    Check this out OP:
    http://www.reddit.com/r/morbidreality


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  • #42
    enfant terrible
    Registered Users Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    gctest50 wrote: »
    http://www.uvm.edu/~lkaelber/eugenics/

    will get you started

    I was asking why he needed to tell us of American wrong doings in a thread about Nazi's.

    Does every thread need a "but but but look what the yanks did"?


  • #43
    Sunglasses Ron
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭Sunglasses Ron


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    They pale in comparison to the antics of Unit 731, the Japanese chemical weapons research division during WWII.
    Someone once linked me to a film called "Men Behind the Sun" in a thread about shocking movie torture scenes. What has been seen, can never be unseen, and having read about the unit since then it would appear that what's depicted in the film is a sunny picnic compared to the kind of things they actually got up to.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731

    I've always wondered why there is little to no effort put in to hunting Japanese war criminals compared to Nazi ones. With the way so many Japanese reach 100 and above there must be thousands of them still alive, there might even be a few still alive 15 years from now. And most of them seem to be right there in Japan rather than hiding out in various other countries like the Nazis did.


  • #44
    enfant terrible
    Registered Users Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    Sunglasses Ron wrote: »
    I've always wondered why there is little to no effort put in to hunting Japanese war criminals compared to Nazi ones. With the way so many Japanese reach 100 and above there must be thousands of them still alive, there might even be a few still alive 15 years from now. And most of them seem to be right there in Japan rather than hiding out in various other countries like the Nazis did.

    Don't think the Japanese acknowledge they committed the atrocities.


  • #45
    Sunglasses Ron
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭Sunglasses Ron


    enfant terrible wrote: »
    Don't think the Japanese acknowledge they committed the atrocities.

    But the US occupied Japan. I think they tried and executed some of the highest ranking straight after the war, but never camp guards and the like that they do with Nazis.


  • #46
    shane9689
    Registered Users Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭shane9689


    new movie coming out based on those type of ww2 experiments



  • #47
    OldNotWIse
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    Morag wrote: »
    Werid to think couples who under go IFV today may have had some of the treatments which start in death camps. http://voices.yahoo.com/modern-day-science-adopts-information-gathered-from-10330127.html[/QUOTE]

    Very interesting article. I suppose at least we can say some good can come out of something so horrible.


  • #48
    Lightbulb Sun
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭Lightbulb Sun


    Sunglasses Ron wrote: »
    I've always wondered why there is little to no effort put in to hunting Japanese war criminals compared to Nazi ones. With the way so many Japanese reach 100 and above there must be thousands of them still alive, there might even be a few still alive 15 years from now. And most of them seem to be right there in Japan rather than hiding out in various other countries like the Nazis did.

    The man in charge of Unit 731 Shiro Ishii was arrested by the Americans but was shamefully let off scot free. They deemed his germ warfare research invaluable and in exchange for all of this him and others connected to the unit were released.


  • #49
    sea_monkey
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 755 ✭✭✭sea_monkey


    Lightbulb Sun wrote: »
    The man in charge of Unit 731 Shiro Ishii was arrested by the Americans but was shamefully let off scot free. They deemed his germ warfare research invaluable and in exchange for all of this him and others connected to the unit were released.

    yep, pretty sure they gave him a cushy job in america too.


  • #50
    howamidifferent
    Registered Users Posts: 1,817 ✭✭✭howamidifferent


    Jesus! :eek:

    The "experiments" detailed in many of those links by all nationalities are horrific.

    Impossible to comprehend man's inhumanity to man. :(

    If anyone wasn't an atheist before reading those, they should be afterwards.

    Stomach churning and in all probability still going on today under cover.


  • #51
    hardCopy
    Registered Users Posts: 5,969 ✭✭✭hardCopy


    Pace2008 wrote: »
    Nope. It wasn't just the Axis at it, and it wasn't just a WWII phenomenon either. The US government carried out a study on 600 black Americans afflicted with syphilis in which they allowed the disease to run its course without intervention, though they were informed that they were receiving treatment. The experiment started in 1932 and ran for 40 years, decades after a simple antibiotic treatment was discovered.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_syphilis_experiment

    Isreali doctors were only recently caught sterilising African immigrants.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/eliseknutsen/2013/01/28/israel-foribly-injected-african-immigrant-women-with-birth-control/


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  • #52
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,021 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    Didnt realise much knowledge of any real use came from the Nazi experiments owing to the fact that much Nazi science was basically mumbo jumbo.

    A lot of the early knowledge on the harmful effects of tobacco did come from experemints on children though as a direct result of Hitlers own dislike of smoking.

    Always find it suprising that Aspergers syndrome was discovered in Austria in 1944 given the Nazi attitude to both disability and towards individuals who were "different" in any way.


  • #53
    Links234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,944 ✭✭✭✭Links234


    shane9689 wrote: »
    new movie coming out based on those type of ww2 experiments

    Yeah, "based on" :pac:


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