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    #1982
    bladespin
    Registered Users Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭bladespin


    Tony EH wrote: »
    I'm sure IW are looking into legal restrictions to penalise Mr and Mrs Bloggs for doing such a thing at this very minute.

    You'd find it incredibly difficult to do that, considering the set up used allows anyone walking down the street full and unrestricted access, another grip some have.


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    #1983
    chasm
    Registered Users Posts: 2,077 ✭✭✭chasm


    Ghost Buster wrote: »
    Has anyone from the government or IW given any explanation for the constant claim that IW 'cannot possibly be sold or privatised' when the actual wording of the legistlation clearly state that this is only so UNLESS THE MINISTER WANTS TO DO OTHERWISE??

    That was the old wording from the Water Services Act 2013, it was amended in the Water Services (No2) Act.


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    #1984
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    bladespin wrote: »
    You'd find it incredibly difficult to do that, considering the set up used allows anyone walking down the street full and unrestricted access, another grip some have.

    Ditto if it turns out the tamper proof meters aren't sledgehammer proof, anyone could pour cement into the hole too.


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    #1985
    bladespin
    Registered Users Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭bladespin


    Banjo String wrote: »
    Ditto if it turns out the tamper proof meters aren't sledgehammer proof, anyone could pour cement into the hole too.
    Ours certainly isn't tamperproof (not sure of the dials) the meter unit simply screws in on a treaded inster and only handtight too.


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    #1986
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    chasm wrote: »
    That was the old wording from the Water Services Act 2013, it was amended in the Water Services (No2) Act.

    Is What you've just proven, is that it can be amended on a whim? Why cant they change it again?


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    #1987
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    MadYaker wrote: »
    This is the exact same as the lpt. Big fuss beforehand with lots of people saying they won't pay. Fast forward a year and compliance is over 90%. This will be the same.

    No it isn't, property tax went down the road of being taken from welfare, pensions or wages thanks to revenue.

    Irish water is a utility and unlike property tax it can't get revenue to collect.

    If people don't pay then it's between Irish water, the householder and the courts.


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    #1988
    Lucy and Harry
    Registered Users Posts: 763 ✭✭✭Lucy and Harry


    buy bottled water like on holidays for brushing teeth and drinking and wash in the rain.let them cut the water off.


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    #1989
    bladespin
    Registered Users Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭bladespin


    Lucy and Harry wrote: »
    buy bottled water like on holidays for brushing teeth and drinking and wash in the rain.let them cut the water off.

    They cannot cut the water supply off.


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    #1990
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users Posts: 12,248 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    Lucy and Harry wrote: »
    buy bottled water like on holidays for brushing teeth and drinking and wash in the rain.let them cut the water off.

    So.... From your posts you want to live on the side of the road drinking bottled water.

    Please .... Please do so!


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    #1991
    lacco
    Closed Accounts Posts: 61 ✭✭lacco


    bladespin wrote: »
    They cannot cut the water supply off.

    This is looking like a major headache for government and irish water very different scenario to the property tax but hey they only have themselves to blame.


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    #1992
    bladespin
    Registered Users Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭bladespin


    lacco wrote: »
    This is looking like a major headache for government and irish water very different scenario to the property tax but hey they only have themselves to blame.

    Looks like the advisory fees etc didn't give great value for money there doesn't it? Surely they knew the basic human rights and how it would stop cut-offs? Reductions are a different beast but as detailed in the other thread that might not be as simple as they made our either.


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    #1993
    lacco
    Closed Accounts Posts: 61 ✭✭lacco


    bladespin wrote: »
    Looks like the advisory fees etc didn't give great value for money there doesn't it? Surely they knew the basic human rights and how it would stop cut-offs? Reductions are a different beast but as detailed in the other thread that might not be as simple as they made our either.

    Whole thing is completely mismanaged they definitely didn't do their homework.Consultants fees for what eh? It really looks like they are chancing their arm and hoping that people will buy it literally. What a joke.And did they never hear of lean business model obviously not.


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    #1994
    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    allthedoyles wrote: »
    I rang Irish Water and they confirmed to me that my annual bill will be 483 euro , and an allowance of 21,000 litres for child .

    I asked them what this allowance equates to in money terms and Irish Water did not know the answer.
    If you rang them before today, then they didn't have the information because CER hadn't told them what the charges were.

    Based on a price of €4.88/1kl, the child allowance is worth €102.48/year and the standard allowance worth €146.40

    The pricing structure actually seems a bit strange at first glance, but it's quite logical. It's not possible to meter the amount of waste water someone produces, so they use the very reasonable idea that for every litre you consume, you will produce a litre of waste water. So you're charged both the in & out value of each kl of water that goes through the meter.

    If you only use the in water, your charges are half. If you only use the public sewer, you're charged a flat assessed value.

    There's also a pretty fair calibration period. Even if you have a meter, you'll pay the flat assessed charge until next June. If at that point, your meter shows that you would have been charged less over the previous nine months, you'll get a refund. If your meter shows a higher charge, you only have to pay the assessed rate.
    That effectively gives everyone nine months to check out their pipework and adjust their own behaviour to reduce water usage before the charges actually come in.


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    #1995
    paulbok
    Registered Users Posts: 4,898 ✭✭✭paulbok


    The pay in IW must be terrible. Even the directors have to take a second job to make ends meet.

    From RTE.ie
    "Minister of State at the Department of the the Environment Paudie Coffee has hired a former Waterford city mayor and current director of Irish Water Hilary Quinlan as one of his drivers."

    Story.

    No problem in someone getting hired as a driver as he seems to be out of work following losing his seat, they don't do themselves any favours regarding the recent jobs for the boys scandal.


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    #1996
    Cantona's Collars
    Registered Users Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    Relax folks,Brendan Howlin has been on RTE News telling us not to worry & everything is going to be grand:rolleyes:


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    #1997
    Zillah
    Registered Users Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    paulbok wrote: »
    The pay in IW must be terrible. Even the directors have to take a second job to make ends meet.

    From RTE.ie
    "Minister of State at the Department of the the Environment Paudie Coffee has hired a former Waterford city mayor and current director of Irish Water Hilary Quinlan as one of his drivers."

    Story.

    No problem in someone getting hired as a driver as he seems to be out of work following losing his seat, they don't do themselves any favours regarding the recent jobs for the boys scandal.

    Honestly, can we bring out the fupping guillotines yet?

    "Mr Quinlan added: “You tell me one party out there who doesn’t look after their own. I don’t see anything wrong with it. It’s politics.” "

    Scumbag.


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    #1998
    Daith
    Registered Users Posts: 4,933 ✭✭✭Daith


    seamus wrote: »
    There's also a pretty fair calibration period. Even if you have a meter, you'll pay the flat assessed charge until next June. If at that point, your meter shows that you would have been charged less over the previous nine months, you'll get a refund. If your meter shows a higher charge, you only have to pay the assessed rate.
    That effectively gives everyone nine months to check out their pipework and adjust their own behaviour to reduce water usage before the charges actually come in.

    Oh, I thought the assessed rate was a cap. If you hit the assessed rate then that's it. 9 months seems a long time to wait for a refund if you've been conserving water. I guess it's a fair calibration period though.


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    #1999
    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    paulbok wrote: »
    The pay in IW must be terrible. Even the directors have to take a second job to make ends meet.
    It's right there in the article :)
    he gets €15,000 a year from Irish Water by being on the board
    To be fair, that's pretty typical of these kinds of directorships, primarily because these are often consulting-type roles rather than full-time jobs. The board probably meets for a couple of hours a month to discuss things and vote on a few others. It likely works out at something obscene like €200/hour.
    It also doesn't mention what kind of expenses he can claim for this directorship.

    Big businesspeople make a massive living out of this, by maintaining directorships in multiple companies simultaneously.

    Definitely a "jobs for the boys" stink from his appointment though.


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    #2000
    bladespin
    Registered Users Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭bladespin


    seamus wrote:
    There's also a pretty fair calibration period.
    Wonder what is the meter's own calibration period, I'd imagine it would have to be performed annually, our's will be due around July then, do they provide certification or label you can reference for the certificate like a petrol station?


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    #2001
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,481 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Daith wrote: »
    Oh, I thought the assessed rate was a cap. If you hit the assessed rate then that's it. 9 months seems a long time to wait for a refund if you've been conserving water.

    But now it is actually in our interests not to conserve water, unless you can make massive savings. If everyone makes small savings then IW will just increase the rates to comensate (they have already said this).

    So if you are even close to the limit, turn on all the taps as the fee can't be more than the assessed rate and it will put their data out of whack.


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    #2002
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,481 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    bladespin wrote: »
    Wonder what is the meter's own calibration period, I'd imagine it would have to be performed annually, our's will be due around July then, do they provide certification or label you can reference for the certificate like a petrol station?

    You can be 100% certain that this hasn't even been thought of by IW


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    #2003
    Tony EH
    Registered Users Posts: 18,910 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    lacco wrote: »
    Whole thing is completely mismanaged they definitely didn't do their homework.Consultants fees for what eh? It really looks like they are chancing their arm and hoping that people will buy it literally. What a joke.And did they never hear of lean business model obviously not.

    It has nothing to do with lean business models or a fair system.

    It's simply about offloading government responsibility for a crucial utility.

    Government can now simply say it's nothing to do with them, like waste management and pass off the public to an unconcerned private company who'll just tell them to fuck off.

    It's a money spinner for the lads and the public lose out again.


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    #2004
    Phoebas
    Registered Users Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    bladespin wrote: »
    Wonder what is the meter's own calibration period, I'd imagine it would have to be performed annually, our's will be due around July then, do they provide certification or label you can reference for the certificate like a petrol station?
    How often do they calibrate your gas or electricity meter? I've never had mine calibrated.


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    #2005
    bladespin
    Registered Users Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭bladespin


    Phoebas wrote:
    How often do they calibrate your gas or electricity meter? I've never had mine calibrated.

    Think both gas and electric meters belong to the household and are therefore your responsibility to ensure calibration is correct and indate (calibration tags are visible on our electric unit though) the water meter is part of the IW equipment so the responsibility is theirs, you should be entitled to know the unit monitoring anything you must pay for is accurate.
    I'd also like to know the allowable error tolerance is on these as the numbers look pretty significant.


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    #2006
    hitbit
    Registered Users Posts: 205 ✭✭hitbit


    I will sell them my PPS number for a guaranteed 50% of what they get for selling it on to others, because sell it they will. A complete up to date data base of such magnitude is worth a fortune. Ps if they have absolutely definitely no intention of selling, or allowing my personal details to fall into the wrong hands and are prepared to write to me and confirm same in a legal contract then I will consider giving them my PPS number for free.

    Hitbit:p:p:p:p:p


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    #2007
    hitbit
    Registered Users Posts: 205 ✭✭hitbit


    Am I entitled to ask Irish Water to prove that they are billing me correctly and that the quantity I am being charged for corresponds with the meter reading. Will they send someone to show me the readings are correct.
    When Electric Irl or Bord Gais come to read their meters I can verify that I am charged in accordance with the meter reading and so am assured that I am being charged only for electricity/gas that I have actually used.

    Hitbit


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    #2008
    Ogham
    Registered Users Posts: 1,844 ✭✭✭Ogham


    Daith wrote: »
    Oh, I thought the assessed rate was a cap. If you hit the assessed rate then that's it. 9 months seems a long time to wait for a refund if you've been conserving water. I guess it's a fair calibration period though.

    It is a cap - don't know how people are getting the idea it's otherwise. (I did hear someoen on Newstalk say it was a flat rate though)
    Metered homes will be charged for usage - but capped for 9 months at the assessed charge for a household of their size.

    http://www.moneyguideireland.com/figures-for-water-charges-released.html

    http://www.water.ie/customer-applications/charges/


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    #2009
    lacco
    Closed Accounts Posts: 61 ✭✭lacco


    Tony EH wrote: »
    It has nothing to do with lean business models or a fair system.

    It's simply about offloading government responsibility for a crucial utility.

    Government can now simply say it's nothing to do with them, like waste management and pass off the public to an unconcerned private company who'll just tell them to fuck off.

    It's a money spinner for the lads and the public lose out again.

    Yes you are absolutely right the government have off loaded the problem and yes yet again we are the losers. My point was that 40 million has already been wasted on consultants who haven't even managed to get the basics right and have obviously no understanding of adding value for the customer judging by the level of dissatisfaction people feel and the mess that the whole thing now is .People are just being walked over left, right and centre. But I don't think people will realise what they are letting themselves in for till the bills starting rolling in and by then it will be too late.


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    #2010
    Phoebas
    Registered Users Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    bladespin wrote: »
    Think both gas and electric meters belong to the household and are therefore your responsibility to ensure calibration is correct and indate (calibration tags are visible on our electric unit though) the water meter is part of the IW equipment so the responsibility is theirs, you should be entitled to know the unit monitoring anything you must pay for is accurate.
    I'd also like to know the allowable error tolerance is on these as the numbers look pretty significant.

    That isn't correct.
    citizensinfo wrote:
    Except in cases where there is a special agreement to the contrary, the amount of electricity supplied to your home will be measured by a meter or meters and other apparatus supplied and installed by ESB Networks. This equipment remains the property of ESB Networks.


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    #2011
    Caliden
    Registered Users Posts: 5,982 ✭✭✭Caliden


    Like other utilities, will there be the possibility of other water companies starting up or will Irish Water have a monopoly?


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