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24-02-2013, 16:59   #2656
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Tooway seems to have added a special carrier to the French and Scottish beams with no other purpose but to stop Saorsat being received in England and Scotland. Yes there are other internet carriers, but the carriers I am talking about are not internet carriers.
The Wikipedia page for the satellite says that the ISP service utilises DVB-S2
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"SurfBeam 2" is a modified version of the DOCSIS protocol adapted by ViaSat Inc. to the satellite physical link and adopts most recent technology for modulation on the forward channel, i.e. DVB-S2, and channel access method, i.e. MF-TDMA (Multi Frequency-TDMA).
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The Wikipedia page for the satellite says that the ISP service utilises DVB-S2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KA-SAT
If it's a blank DVB-S carrier on the Scottish beam then I'd think that would add fuel to zg3409's research - because if it's not DVB-S2 and isn't carrying any data, then what purpose does it serve?
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If it's a blank DVB-S carrier on the Scottish beam then I'd think that would add fuel to zg3409's research - because if it's not DVB-S2 and isn't carrying any data, then what purpose does it serve?
Saorsat is DVB-S2.
Why would a DVB-S signal on the North Scottish beam block Saorsat any more than than the DVB-S2 signal already there as part of the ISP service?
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Saorsat is DVB-S2.
Why would a DVB-S signal on the North Scottish beam block Saorsat any more than than the DVB-S2 signal already there as part of the ISP service?
It wouldn't block it any differently. I'd just be wondering why there'a blank DVB-S carrier there at all? It's not being used for internet anyway.
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Presumably RTE are paying for, & expect geographically limited coverage, so Eutelsat have to put something on the adjacent spots.
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24-02-2013, 20:40   #2661
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..., so Eutelsat have to put something on the adjacent spots.
Why would they need to put on anything in addition to the satellite internet service which is the primary purpose of the satellite?
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I'm only going by what's been posted since this 'jamming' thing came up, but it would appear that the signal at the Saorsat frequency, on the Scottish spot anyway, isn't carrying any information.

That would lead me to believe that this spot is operating at less than its capacity & doesn't have any actual traffic at the Saorsat frequency, hence the need for the 'jamming' signal.

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I would suggest the reason they have chosen to not use an internet carrier at the exact same position is

1) An internet carrier may not work as well to jam as it may be lower power or wider.

2) An internet carrier may get interference from the Saorsat signal, which may degrade the internet performance. In theory this should not happen, but in practice the spots are not really as clearly defined. For highest speed internet ideally you would try not to re-use the frequencies again nearby if at all possible.

3) With a non internet jamming signal they can make it narrow, and adjust the relative power of each to try and just cover the area needed.

Below is the spectrum as picked up in Manchester:


The only one we are interested in is purple 20.185 Saorsat, however it can be seen all 4 spots have 2 internet carriers (wide ones) while the purple also has one narrow one, which was measured as a DVB-S blank carrier using specialised equipment.


Above as picked up near London



and finally as picked up in Dublin. The narrowness of the signal is clearest in the more expensive test equipment. It does seem as if some of the french spots have 4 carriers (to have more capacity) while the Irish and east Scottish beam only has two internet carriers at present. Even on the french system there seems a suspicious gap between the two carriers like one was meant to jam Saorsat.

I would suspect in general they try to seperate internet carriers frequencies slightly, much in the same way as analogue TV transmitters that may be on the same frequency are normally adjusted slightly higher or lower than other transmitters to try reduce interference. Also circular polarisation even does not block the opposite polarisation completely so the blue beam will effect the purple beam too.
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Before you get yourself and Boards sued will you please stop using the Terminology "Jamming"

Ka-sat and its management is very complex.
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got soarsat and sky working on the one dish, needs some adjusting but as it was very windy last weekend.

Getting only 23 percent signal quality though on soarsat , location achill island.
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got soarsat and sky working on the one dish, needs some adjusting but as it was very windy last weekend.

Getting only 23 percent signal quality though on soarsat , location achill island.
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got soarsat and sky working on the one dish, needs some adjusting but as it was very windy last weekend.

Getting only 23 percent signal quality though on soarsat , location achill island.
There is a Saorview mast on Achill Island (CH47 Vertical). Any particular reason for attempting SaorSAT reception?
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There is a Saorview mast on Achill Island (CH47 Vertical). Any particular reason for attempting SaorSAT reception?
One big hill in the way. The brother didn't want to put up a huge aerial in order to get it from clifden.
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