P2P (Bittorrent etc) configuration & use discussion...ongoing (Only place to post!)

Tazzle · 09-10-2008 1:47am

I don't download much at all really. Few gigs a week. But when I do it's from private trackers. My speeds are consistent as long as I'm using a well seeded item.

coldfire1x · 09-10-2008 8:41am

Tazzle wrote: »

^^ There's a shot of my utorrent from yesterday doing over 1,300k/s downstream. So in short, yes I do.

What the hell??? You are getting good download speed. I tried your setting and it did not work for me. Not sure what the f****** problem is

What about upload speed? How much you are getting? Looking at your screenshot its pretty low, only about 4-5kbp/s.

I guess upload speed is important as well or else your ratio will be screwed if you are using private tracker.

Nick_oliveri · 09-10-2008 10:22am

Set the upload speed to be higher when not downloading. Set it at 4 or 5kb otherwise and see if that helps. Helps meh on eircom.

dean_n · 09-10-2008 10:49am

I'm on ntl in waterford and i'm actually getting 70kb/s down today instead of the usual 7kb/s. Still nothing compared to my normal 1.2mb/s though..but at least it's a sign of something being done I guess.

edit: up to 100kb/s now ooOoo excited.

09-10-2008 10:55am

ROC1977 wrote: »

Rapidshare n00b??? not so n00b now . Use your bt protocal know how on a throttled line. lol

Quote a month old post and say it is invalid because of other users current experiences!!Well done Roc1977, really clever!

And you are wrong, i will edit this post with screens of down at 2.3mb/s on utor when i get home.

I have the same problem as everyone else with public sites and poorly seeded private torrents. The reason for this is cost, to explain:

NTL pay peerage fees to some external carriers (foreign isps) but not to others as they have "peerage agreements" with them. The peerage agreement means that they will not charge eachother for transit between eachothers networks.

NTL, being a company that wants to make money, then proceeds to traffic shape all data to carriers they have to pay peerage costs too and allows data to travel unhindered to other carriers they have peerage agreements with.

So if the torrent you are downloading is a well seeded torrent with lots of users on 100mb lines (dedicated servers usually are hosted on tier1 or tier2 networks...usually no peerage costs with ntl) or isps that have a peerage agreement with ntl then you will get unhindered speed. Even if a torrent has 100 seeds but these seeds are with isps with no peerage agreement with Ntl, well then you will be throttled and get rubbish speeds. This has always been the case, the differance now is that NTL use highly effective (beats encryption) throttling applications on non peer agreement traffic.

So what it boils down to is not only the number of seeds on a torrent but the network tier there isp is on and whether NTL have a peerage agreement with that isp or not. This unfortunatley means most public torrents and some private torrents will have a majority of budget isp users (tier 3) seeding, thus poor internetwork peerage, thus effective throttling, thus poor speed.

The problem here is quite complex but at least you know what you need to do to get better speeds. (and of course locally congested networks, poorly set up clients etc will account for alot of the issues here so what i am saying only applies if you have first optimized your home connection and eliminated the possibility of local congestion)

dhaddock · 09-10-2008 10:57am

Mr.Christmas wrote: »

you with UPC?
i am sick of it a 20 mb service and i max out at 30 k when i use bit torrent or u torrent
there must be a way around this

yeah Im with upc on 20mb. i am back to 2.2MB/s today

:D

NeVeR · 09-10-2008 12:39pm

So from what I've read here there is no FIX for this.. all I see is people posted they are getting good speeds or bad speeds,

I hope they just stop it lol...

09-10-2008 12:44pm

NeVeR wrote: »

So from what I've read here there is no FIX for this.. all I see is people posted they are getting good speeds or bad speeds,

I hope they just stop it lol...

lol...ya, your right NeVeR, there is no quick fix apart from selecting which torrents you download by how well peered Ntl are with the seeders ISP!
Some are lucky enough to have access to sites with lots of users on tier 1 and tier 2 networks but most are not...

JPA · 09-10-2008 1:59pm

david7536 wrote: »

lol...ya, your right NeVeR, there is no quick fix apart from selecting which torrents you download by how well peered Ntl are with the seeders ISP!
Some are lucky enough to have access to sites with lots of users on tier 1 and tier 2 networks but most are not...

hhhmmm this makes sense. I get poor upload on private sites too, I guess because seedboxes don't want upload.

mang87 · 09-10-2008 3:19pm

ROC1977 wrote: »

Anyway I've heard UPC is giving up torrent throttling. Too many complaints.

You may be right, I got 450KB/sec on a private torrent last night. They may be easing up a bit.

NeVeR · 09-10-2008 4:51pm

david7536 wrote: »

lol...ya, your right NeVeR, there is no quick fix apart from selecting which torrents you download by how well peered Ntl are with the seeders ISP!
Some are lucky enough to have access to sites with lots of users on tier 1 and tier 2 networks but most are not...

I have access to places where there are 5000 seeders and less then 100 leachers and still not going over 20kbps downloads !

ROC1977 · 09-10-2008 6:42pm

david7536 wrote: »

Quote a month old post and say it is invalid because of other users current experiences!!Well done Roc1977, really clever!

And you are wrong, i will edit this post with screens of down at 2.3mb/s on utor when i get home.

I have the same problem as everyone else with public sites and poorly seeded private torrents. The reason for this is cost, to explain:

NTL pay peerage fees to some external carriers (foreign isps) but not to others as they have "peerage agreements" with them. The peerage agreement means that they will not charge eachother for transit between eachothers networks.

NTL, being a company that wants to make money, then proceeds to traffic shape all data to carriers they have to pay peerage costs too and allows data to travel unhindered to other carriers they have peerage agreements with.

So if the torrent you are downloading is a well seeded torrent with lots of users on 100mb lines (dedicated servers usually are hosted on tier1 or tier2 networks...usually no peerage costs with ntl) or isps that have a peerage agreement with ntl then you will get unhindered speed. Even if a torrent has 100 seeds but these seeds are with isps with no peerage agreement with Ntl, well then you will be throttled and get rubbish speeds. This has always been the case, the differance now is that NTL use highly effective (beats encryption) throttling applications on non peer agreement traffic.

So what it boils down to is not only the number of seeds on a torrent but the network tier there isp is on and whether NTL have a peerage agreement with that isp or not. This unfortunatley means most public torrents and some private torrents will have a majority of budget isp users (tier 3) seeding, thus poor internetwork peerage, thus effective throttling, thus poor speed.

The problem here is quite complex but at least you know what you need to do to get better speeds. (and of course locally congested networks, poorly set up clients etc will account for alot of the issues here so what i am saying only applies if you have first optimized your home connection and eliminated the possibility of local congestion)

Relax bud I was only stating that just because someone uses rapidshare doesn't make them a n00b lol. I use both torrents and rapidshare. Which ever has my TV shows up first. What your saying about tiered ISP makes sense. But I'm with 6 or 7 private trackers and still not getting good speeds anymore. I was getting 2.3mb for the same sources two weeks ago.

dlofnep · 09-10-2008 7:00pm

My speeds went back up to normal this morning. Let's hope the stay up!

moralproduction · 09-10-2008 8:31pm

the best ive managed to get too is 800 kb/s hope my speed comes back completely

moralproduction · 09-10-2008 9:54pm

dhaddock wrote: »

yeah Im with upc on 20mb. i am back to 2.2MB/s today :D

could you please post all of the settings with whatever client you are using ? ? i cant get near those speeds

Many thanks in advance

NeVeR · 09-10-2008 10:16pm

where are you guys based,,, that are getting the speeds back ?..

calmoo · 10-10-2008 7:13pm

NeVeR wrote: »

where are you guys based,,, that are getting the speeds back ?..

I'm around the Dundrum area and my speeds have gone up to 100kb/s max with a green smiley as opposed to 10kb/s. I think they're going a bit easier on the throttling ATM.

barnicles · 11-10-2008 10:21am

WHAT are web seeds?

Also can anyone tell me of a service that allows me to remote uploads to torrents? (Preferbly free like rapidshare http)

MooseJam · 12-10-2008 1:59am

my torrent speeds are back to normal tonight

Jonathan · 12-10-2008 2:02am

barnicles wrote: »

WHAT are web seeds?

Also can anyone tell me of a service that allows me to remote uploads to torrents? (Preferbly free like rapidshare http)

You want to create a torrent?

Ronan Raver77 · 12-10-2008 3:54am

MooseJam wrote: »

my torrent speeds are back to normal tonight

Same here:)

barnicles · 12-10-2008 12:51pm

jmccrohan wrote: »

You want to create a torrent?

Yes and because i'm getting hit by MediaSentry i would like to upload to a server and ddl like rapidshare's service.

Jonathan · 12-10-2008 1:10pm

barnicles wrote: »

Yes and because i'm getting hit by MediaSentry i would like to upload to a server and ddl like rapidshare's service.

I dont think you understand how the bittorrent protocol works.

If you want to create a torrent, you need to create it in a program such as utorrent, submit it to a tracker site, and then seed to others.

barnicles · 12-10-2008 2:16pm

I'm not a fool, jmc, what i want to do is create a torrent and then seed.
My last post was about something completely different altogether. I want to dl what i want to dl to a server and them ddl it like rapidshares http service

Jonathan · 12-10-2008 2:27pm

barnicles wrote: »

I'm not a fool, jmc, what i want to do is create a torrent and then seed.
My last post was about something completely different altogether. I want to dl what i want to dl to a server and them ddl it like rapidshares http service

The way you worded your question was shite.

I asked did you want to create a torrent and you said yes.
I told you how.

barnicles · 12-10-2008 2:37pm

Oh ffs, all i wanted to know is what web seeds were? And do rapidshare etc. Let me remote upload torrents?

JPA · 12-10-2008 7:39pm

barnicles wrote: »

Oh ffs, all i wanted to know is what web seeds were? And do rapidshare etc. Let me remote upload torrents?

I think I know what you're saying. :P

What you need is to rent a dedicated server or seedbox as it is called on torrent sites. You can then remote access it and use it download and upload torrents, you could then copy them to your PC.

I can't recommend any sites or anything as I have never done but they are quite popular on some private torrent sites.

12-10-2008 10:14pm

If you get into Newsgroups on Usenet you wont go back to torrents.

Less user friendly but hella woth it in the end.

Also if you are using bitorrent or any p2p software make sure you use peerguardian there are thousands to millions of fake peers set up to grind p2p to a halt.

http://phoenixlabs.org/pg2/

Auvers · 12-10-2008 11:23pm

barnicles wrote: »

Oh ffs, all i wanted to know is what web seeds were? And do rapidshare etc. Let me remote upload torrents?

I think this is what you are looking for

http://www.vectoral.info/servers.htm

Ronan Raver77 · 13-10-2008 5:33am

Ronan Devitt wrote: »

Same here:)

:mad: Back down again

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