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Russian journalist blasts "Big Brother" Britain and compares it the old Soviet Union

  • 22-04-2009 1:21pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭


    A Russian journalist believes the level of surveillance is worse in ‘Big Brother Britain’ than it was in Russia during the Soviet era.

    Irada Zeinalova, who is based in London, said she felt she was being constantly spied on by security cameras.

    She highlighted how in the UK the level of monitoring is such that even rubbish bins have computer chips fitted so councils can check what householders are throwing out.

    ‘London is a Big Brother city. It is all watched by cameras. Even in the days of the USSR you couldn’t imagine such a number of cameras or observers. Your moves are even monitored by your bus tickets. There are CCTV cameras on every building and computer chips on the rubbish bins.

    ‘They can tell a lot about your life by studying your rubbish bin. All aspects of your life are plainly visible here.’

    Mrs Zeinalova, 37, an award-winning correspondent in London for the Kremlin-controlled Moscow TV station Channel One, accepted that some Russian journalists in London face close monitoring by British counter-intelligence.

    One, from the Vesti TV programme, ‘had a full-scale spying operation on him. It’s a normal thing here’

    Why must we in Ireland worry about Britain turning into a Soviet State?

    We must be very vigilant about Britain going down this route because the UK is orchestrating the EU Parliament in this so called "anti terrorism" legislation such as implementing E Borders and the recent EU sanctioned "live" data retention laws.

    Ireland is not far at all behind them in video surveillance, chipping garbage bins, tapping phones, logging personal Emails, text messages, electronic toll crossings, and in the not so distant future registered smart card transit journeys.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1172083/Russian-journalist-blasts-Big-Brother-Britain-compares-life-old-Soviet-Union.html


Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,191 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    People in the UK have being saying this for ages now .So when a Russian comes out and say's it , it carries more weight .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,701 ✭✭✭Diogenes


    This is a woman who works for a state run broadcaster.

    Reporters Sans Frontiers Ranks the Russian Federation ranks Russia as 144th out of 169th in the press freedom index. The UK is ranked 24. (Ireland is joint 11th.)

    A Russian journalists complaining about state surveillance, and press freedom in the UK is simply farcical.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Britain is the worst preforming western democracy in the privacy international surveillances league table. lt ranks 36 countries including the 25 other EU states in according to their ability to protect privacy.

    http://images.google.ie/imgres?imgurl=http://policestate.co.uk/images/phrmap2005telegraph.jpg&imgrefurl=http://policestate.co.uk/&usg=__iXLfEsq9RpcFep7HwZss0k28zDg=&h=512&w=1200&sz=145&hl=en&start=8&um=1&tbnid=770L-ZsI5hiYVM:&tbnh=64&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3Duk%2Bpolice%2Bstate%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26um%3D1


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,226 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Britain is the worst preforming western democracy in the privacy international surveillances league table. lt ranks 36 countries including the 25 other EU states in according to their ability to protect privacy.

    http://images.google.ie/imgres?imgurl=http://policestate.co.uk/images/phrmap2005telegraph.jpg&imgrefurl=http://policestate.co.uk/&usg=__iXLfEsq9RpcFep7HwZss0k28zDg=&h=512&w=1200&sz=145&hl=en&start=8&um=1&tbnid=770L-ZsI5hiYVM:&tbnh=64&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3Duk%2Bpolice%2Bstate%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26um%3D1
    A survey conducted and complied by a website called policestate.co.uk?

    Seems to be neutral and unbaised.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,119 ✭✭✭Volvagia


    Is there any evidence about the mircochips monitoring what you put in your bin thing?

    I can't really see how that would benefit a "big brother state."


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Volvagia wrote: »
    Is there any evidence about the mircochips monitoring what you put in your bin thing? ."
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1552449/Microchips-in-dustbins-spy-on-three-million.html
    And here.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/5291222.stm
    Volvagia wrote: »
    I can't really see how that would benefit a "big brother state."
    Eventually when Etagging consumer products come into effect and takes over the EAN barcode, (Price being the current hold up) The authorities can check ETagged packaging disposed of against the incorporated bin tag. The will know what products you have consumed by digital refuse records.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Two articles from 2006 and 2007 that say the system may be in operation in two years. Any updates?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭thecommander


    it tells them when the bin was collected and the lorry weights the bin. Hardly a system to tell what items are in bin.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    it tells them when the bin was collected and the lorry weights the bin. Hardly a system to tell what items are in bin.
    The system works on an RFID scanner built into the loading bay of the truck, It identifies the ETag of the customer against his account. Under the currently system excess weight is taken into consideratiom and charged against the customer.

    In future using this technology there is room for penalising those those that have their bin left out on unauthorised dates and locations, unuthorised garbage in their bins, etc. A passive ETag inside any wheely bin would be well within the range of a scanner at the back of a refuse collection vehicle.

    http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/28/rfid-bugs-found-in-the-bottom-of-british-wheelie-bins/


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭thecommander


    The system works on an RFID scanner built into the loading bay of the truck, It identifies the ETag of the customer against his account. Under the currently system excess weight is taken into consideratiom and charged against the customer.

    In future using this technology there is room for penalising those those that have their bin left out on unauthorised dates and locations, unuthorised garbage in their bins, etc. A passive ETag inside any wheely bin would be well within the range of a scanner at the back of a refuse collection vehicle.

    Roll back to post number 7 there. A question was asked "Is there any evidence about the mircochips monitoring what you put in your bin thing"

    And you replied with that link, which proves nothing of the sort.

    Its one thing logging a bin, its a completely different kettle of fish for it to know what's in it.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,215 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Shame on that woman for likening the life of Britons and others living in Britain to life under the horrifically brutal regime of Stalin et al.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,668 ✭✭✭serfboard


    Dudess wrote: »
    Shame on that woman for likening the life of Britons and others living in Britain to life under the horrifically brutal regime of Stalin et al.

    The article was from the Daily Mail. You're reading about it in the Conspiracy Theories forum. Need I say more?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭Mahatma coat


    its a valid comparison, Stalin would Jizz in his Pants repeatedly if he saw the technology available in Britain to spy on people.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Stalin would jizz in his pants if he saw a cordless power drill. It still means absolutely nothing and only serves as scaremongering.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,217 ✭✭✭FX Meister


    Dudess wrote: »
    Shame on that woman for likening the life of Britons and others living in Britain to life under the horrifically brutal regime of Stalin et al.
    It has to start somewhere. Look at Ian Tomlinson, killed by Police on his way home from work. That was brutal. And check out this link of a photograher getting stopped and interogated under the terrorism act for taking photos.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭thecommander


    FX Meister wrote: »
    And check out this of a photograher getting stopped and interogated under the terrorism act for taking photos.

    I dont like that law as much as the next, but if someone reports someone as acting suspicious to the police then they should act on it.

    What do you suggest? Letting everyone with a camera off?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,217 ✭✭✭FX Meister


    Taking photos is automatically acting suspicious? Surely it will end up like former communist states and all it will take is your neighbour accusing you of something and you will be hauled away at night.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,217 ✭✭✭FX Meister


    And what about Goole Maps Street View? Shouldn't that be shut down? There's no way you can even see what suspicious people are using it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    FX Meister wrote: »
    Taking photos is automatically acting suspicious? Surely it will end up like former communist states and all it will take is your neighbour accusing you of something and you will be hauled away at night.

    Someone saw somebody they thought were acting suspiciously. They called the police, the police came and questioned the person. The idea of being thorough is so that a real terrorist would just say to the cops "Sure I'm on holiday" and the cops would leave him be. It's a pain in the hole, but the cops have to do it. If you want to complain, don't complain about the cops, complain about the muppet who called them.
    FX Meister wrote: »
    And what about Goole Maps Street View? Shouldn't that be shut down? There's no way you can even see what suspicious people are using it.
    People have already asked for pictures to be removed through sheer paranoia. If they didn't remove them, people would claim it's big brother keeping track of you. If they get rifd of it altogether, the same people will claim it's big brother taking away your freedom. They can't win.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,215 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    its a valid comparison, Stalin would Jizz in his Pants repeatedly if he saw the technology available in Britain to spy on people.
    FX Meister wrote: »
    It has to start somewhere.
    It's one thing to be concerned about what this could lead to, quite another to actually compare it to a past regime - they're not comparable.
    Look at Ian Tomlinson, killed by Police on his way home from work. That was brutal.
    And yet, British people can complain about it on the internet and criticise the police and questions can be raised in parliament and an inquiry will be carried out and newspapers, TV and radio stations can slate the police force... so again, not comparable to a totalitarian state.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 857 ✭✭✭Sofa_King Good


    Dudess wrote: »
    It's one thing to be concerned about what this could lead to, quite another to actually compare it to a past regime - they're not comparable.
    .

    This is comparable.
    The state now looms far larger in many parts of Britain than it did in former Soviet satellite states such as Hungary and Slovakia as they emerged from communism in the 1990s, when state spending accounted for about 60% of their economies.
    http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/economics/article5581225.ece


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,226 ✭✭✭✭King Mob



    And yet you're allow report that? Not comparable in the slightest.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 857 ✭✭✭Sofa_King Good


    This is comparable:
    BRITAIN appears to be evolving into the first modern soft totalitarian state. As a sometime teacher of political science and international law, I do not use the term totalitarian loosely.
    There are no concentration camps or gulags but there are thought police with unprecedented powers to dictate ways of thinking and sniff out heresy, and there can be harsh punishments for dissent.

    "a tiny sample"
    Countryside Restoration Trust chairman and columnist Robin Page said at a rally against the Government's anti-hunting laws in Gloucestershire in 2002: "If you are a black vegetarian Muslim asylum-seeking one-legged lesbian lorry driver, I want the same rights as you." Page was arrested, and after four months he received a letter saying no charges would be pressed, but that: "If further evidence comes to our attention whereby your involvement is implicated, we will seek to initiate proceedings." It took him five years to clear his name.



    Page was at least an adult. In September 2006, a 14-year-old schoolgirl, Codie Stott, asked a teacher if she could sit with another group to do a science project as all the girls with her spoke only Urdu. The teacher's first response, according to Stott, was to scream at her: "It's racist, you're going to get done by the police!" Upset and terrified, the schoolgirl went outside to calm down. The teacher called the police and a few days later, presumably after officialdom had thought the matter over, she was arrested and taken to a police station, where she was fingerprinted and photographed.


    According to her mother, she was placed in a bare cell for 3 1/2 hours. She was questioned on suspicion of committing a racial public order offence and then released without charge.



    The school was said to be investigating what further action to take, not against the teacher, but against Stott. Headmaster Anthony Edkins reportedly said: "An allegation of a serious nature was made concerning a racially motivated remark. We aim to ensure a caring and tolerant attitude towards pupils of all ethnic backgrounds and will not stand for racism in any form."



    A 10-year-old child was arrested and brought before a judge, for having allegedly called an 11-year-old boya "Paki" and "bin Laden" during a playground argument at a primary school (the other boy had called him a skunk and a Teletubby).



    When it reached the court the case had cost taxpayers pound stg. 25,000. The accused was so distressed that he had stopped attending school. The judge, Jonathan Finestein, said: "Have we really got to the stage where we are prosecuting 10-year-old boys because of political correctness? There are major crimes out there and the police don't bother to prosecute. This is nonsense."



    Finestein was fiercely attacked by teaching union leaders, as in those witch-hunt trials where any who spoke in defence of an accused or pointed to defects in the prosecution were immediately targeted as witches and candidates for burning.



    Hate-crime police investigated Basil Brush, a puppet fox on children's television, who had made a joke about Gypsies. The BBC confessed that Brush had behaved inappropriately and assured police that the episode would be banned.



    A bishop was warned by the police for not having done enough to "celebrate diversity", the enforcing of which is now apparently a police function. A Christian home for retired clergy and religious workers lost a grant because it would not reveal to official snoopers how many of the residents were homosexual. That they had never been asked was taken as evidence of homophobia.



    Muslim parents who objected to young children being given books advocating same-sex marriage and adoption at one school last year had their wishes respected and the offending material withdrawn. This year, Muslim and Christian parents at another school objecting to the same material have not only had their objections ignored but have been threatened with prosecution if they withdraw their children.



    There have been innumerable cases in recent months of people in schools, hospitals and other institutions losing their jobs because of various religious scruples, often, as in the East Germany of yore, not shouted fanatically from the rooftops but betrayed in private conversations and reported to authorities.


    The crime of one nurse was to offer to pray for a patient, who did not complain but merely mentioned the matter to another nurse.


    A primary school receptionist, Jennie Cain, whose five-year-old daughter was told off for talking about Jesus in class, faces the sack for seeking support from her church. A private email from her to other members of the church asking for prayers fell into the hands of school authorities.



    Permissiveness as well as draconianism can be deployed to destroy socially accepted norms and values. The Royal Navy, for instance, has installed a satanist chapel in a warship to accommodate the proclivities of a satanist crew member. "What would Nelson have said?" is a British newspaper cliche about navy scandals, but in this case seems a legitimate question. Satanist paraphernalia is also supplied to prison inmates who need it.
    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25361297-7583,00.html


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,858 ✭✭✭Undergod


    Jesus, that stuff is pretty frightening. I guess we kinda have to rethink what totalitarian means in a more modern world.

    Church and State should be seperate, but that raises so many issues it's hard to address them all, especially with devoutly religious people.

    The only thing I disagree with is that the quote you gave seems to report the installation of a Satanist chapel in the Navy as a negative thing. Religious freedom and all.

    Actually, another time I'll look at each of those cases on an individual basis, if I have the time.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭bonkey


    In fairness, that article is quite misleading.

    Taking the first four cases, we have someone who was acquitted (and subsequently paid compensation for wrongful arrest), someone who had no charges brought by the police (although her school seem to have an issue), someone who's case was called "nonsense" by the judge (although some of the public seemed unhappy with teh judge saying this), and the BBC agreeing that it is inappropriate for a children's TV puppet to be making jokes about "gypsies" (which is hard to argue against, in fairness).

    In at least three of these four cases, it is the public and not the authorities who stirred up a fuss. In all bar the Basil Brush case, the legal authorities (eventually) reached the correct decision, although this was not always a popular choice. In the Basil Brush case, I would argue that the decision was completely correct.

    I'm somehow at a loss to see how this is evidence of totalitarianism.


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