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The Hazards of Belief

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,325 ✭✭✭Bandana boy


    Adrenaline sours meat , so if an Abbatoir is not properly stunning the animal when it is killed ,he will go out of bussiness fast enough.

    One animal screaming will scare all the other animals ,and abbatoirs usally keep an animal back from slaughter for a day or two if something spooks them.They are incredibly calm places in general.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 19,219 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    marienbad wrote: »
    Just because humane methods are carried out badly is no argument against them .

    The argument being made here was how 'our' method is more humane than Kosher/Halal.
    That is an assumption made by people who have never witnessed 'our' method or 'their' method.

    I am argument against people assuming.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 19,219 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Adrenaline sours meat , so if an Abbatoir is not properly stunning the animal when it is killed ,he will go out of bussiness fast enough.

    One animal screaming will scare all the other animals ,and abbatoirs usally keep an animal back from slaughter for a day or two if something spooks them.They are incredibly calm places in general.

    Gee- ever time I have been in one it must have been a 'bad' day. What a co-inky-dinks.

    If you are correct, there must be acres and acres of cattle out there who are having a rest after being unloaded from their taxi to the slaughterhouse far from the smell and sound of death.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    The argument being made here was how 'our' method is more humane than Kosher/Halal.
    That is an assumption made by people who have never witnessed 'our' method or 'their' method.

    I am argument against people assuming.

    that is some assumption you are making !


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 19,219 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    marienbad wrote: »
    that is some assumption you are making !

    :cool:


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  • Registered Users Posts: 33,810 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/1002/649442-rte-longwave-radio/
    Bishops urge rethink over longwave shutdown

    RTÉ has been urged to reconsider its decision to shut down its longwave radio service at the end of the month.

    Ireland's Catholic bishops said the loss of the service would mean fewer people would be able to listen to religious programmes.

    They expressed concern that people living in rural areas and in Northern Ireland and the UK will be worst affected.

    Radio 1 LW carries religious programming on a Sunday morning which is not carried on Radio 1 FM.

    Remind me why the promotion of a very profitable business religion is deemed worthy of licence payers' support, again??

    Life ain't always empty.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 19,219 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/1002/649442-rte-longwave-radio/



    Radio 1 LW carries religious programming on a Sunday morning which is not carried on Radio 1 FM.

    Remind me why the promotion of a very profitable business religion is deemed worthy of licence payers' support, again??

    I'm still wondering why Albert Reynold's entire funeral including lengthy Mass wasn't broadcast on long wave but on Radio 1. Would prefer it was on LW then repeat the experience of being stuck out in the back of beyond where the only radio station I could get properly tuned in was wall to wall funeral mass for most of the day. :mad:


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,395 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    God unhappy with Tidings in Split

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/new-plane-coming-for-stranded-dublin-pilgrims-after-intervention-1.1964807
    A group of pilgrims stranded at Dublin Airport since the small hours of today is praying for a miracle – and may finally have got one. “We’ve been here since 5.30 in the morning,” said Kerry woman Ann Marie Tidings, “and we’re not going up in that plane out there,” she added in reference to a forlorn Europe Airpost jet, chartered by Dublin tour operator Marian Pilgrimages, but sitting on the apron and going nowhere in a hurry.

    Niall Glynn of tour operators Marian Pilgrimages said this evening that a new plane was en route from Paris and it was hoped to depart Dublin Airport, with all the erstwhile stranded pilgrims on board at 7.30 pm, landing in the Croatian city of Split at 11pm local time. The stranded pilgrims are among about 160 from Kerry, Donegal, Galway, Mayo and Limerick who had hoped, and paid, to be in the Bosnian pilgrimage centre of Medjugorje, via Split, destination of their charter plane. “We were up at 1am,” explained Ann Marie, leader of the 22 strong contingent of pilgrims from north Kerry, “and in the Airport for a 5.30 check-in.”

    The plane took off at 7.30am – as planned – but the journey was not plain sailing, so to speak. “We took off and were about 20 minutes up in the air when the pilot said ‘sorry, we’re having a technical problem and will have to return to Dublin’,” explained Ann Marie. After a period on the ground, the plane took off again with the technical problem apparently fixed.

    “Over the Irish Sea and we’re nearly over Manchester,” says Ann Marie, “and again, ‘sorry, technical problems – we have to go back again’.” Since then, the pilgrims, who include some in wheelchairs and some children, have been stranded at the airport. “We’re stuck,” said Ann Marie. “We’re here looking at the plane that took us up and down twice and we’re not getting back into it again. They either get us another plane or we’re going home.”

    Mr Glynn said the technical problem appeared to have been a sensor that was triggered in flight, setting off an alert in the cockpit. After the first aborted flight, it was thought it had been repaired but, as proven in the second flight, it had not. He said it was “understandable” that several of the would-be passengers were reluctant to give the plane a third go and so a new plane had had to be obtained from the airline, Europe Airpost, a France-based charter company that specialised in moving mail and newspapers during the night, and passengers during the day.


  • Registered Users Posts: 891 ✭✭✭redfacedbear


    Atheist returned to jail for refusing to submit to higher power as part of drug dependancy treatment

    The only mandated treatment facility available based it's treatment on AA's 12 step model, including the submission to a higher power. When he objected he was returned to jail. Eventually he was awarded a $2m settlement.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    robindch wrote: »


    I was in Split, as a lad. When it was in Yugoslavia. When I could still see me feet....


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Cardinal Burke now sleeps with the fishes, sortof.

    "A leading American cardinal has told BuzzFeed that he is to be demoted from his position running the Catholic Church justice system.

    Cardinal Raymond Burke is a staunch critic of Pope Francis' moves to soften the Church's stance on homosexuality.

    He said that he was to be moved to the far less senior post of patron of the sovereign military order of Malta."
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29669231


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,395 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Vincent Twomey - so far as I know, the only clerically garbed member within the Ionanists and their close friends - has suddenly become unhappy that the authoritarian church has behaved with authority:

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/synod-feeds-secular-agenda-hostile-to-traditional-family-1.1967861

    Poor Vinny.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    robindch wrote: »
    Vincent Twomey - so far as I know, the only clerically garbed member within the Ionanists and their close friends - has suddenly become unhappy that the authoritarian church has behaved with authority:

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/synod-feeds-secular-agenda-hostile-to-traditional-family-1.1967861

    Poor Vinny.

    My heart truly bleeds for him and his in this time of need.


    Meanwhile, at HQ, its Synods, Angry African Bishops, not getting the two thirds majority needed - everything seems to have gone CoE.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29678751


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,810 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-29132303
    Suspended between life and death


    When Ariel Sharon died in January this year, eight years after a stroke, he'd survived for longer than would probably be expected had he lived elsewhere in the world.

    Since 2005 it's been illegal in Israel to turn off ventilators when a person is dying or has no hope of recovery. The result is that large numbers of patients spend years on life support, many of them unconscious.

    ...

    At the nurse's station there's a CCTV monitor where all 20 patients can be viewed on one screen and you see very little movement - just sleeping people.

    In most countries a ward like this would not exist, and doctors and families in discussion together, might have made the decision to turn off Schmail's ventilator to allow him to die.

    But since 2005 this has been illegal in Israel and is considered to be killing the patient, even if they are already dying.

    The law in Israel was informed by Jewish tradition, but talking to families of other faiths in the hospital here, it seems to have become a cultural viewpoint too.

    ...

    When I visit the children's ward there are the colourful mobiles, wall friezes and the tinny sounds of piped nursery rhymes. There are 22 children here and it feels like any other children's ward - barring the absence of much noise.

    Some of these children survived drowning, others had near-fatal accidents. It's as though they've been put down for an afternoon nap, except that they don't wake up. And over the years they grow of course.

    I meet Eli Cohen whose daughter was only three years old when she choked on her own vomit during the night, starving her brain of oxygen.

    Despite any change in her condition, his daughter has progressed, growing from a young child into a teenager. In four years' time she'll be a young woman and moved to the adult ward.

    ...

    A mother of a boy on the ward

    She was from Georgia and spoke no Hebrew, but through a three-way translation she tells me, "I've been here all day and all night for eleven years."

    Her son looks as though he was asleep and there seems to be flickering behind his eyelids, but he too is unconscious after a cardiac arrest.

    Life ain't always empty.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,810 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/priest-in-house-dispute-with-lover-to-take-time-away-says-bishop-1.1969030
    A priest involved in a court case with his former lover over the ownership of a house in Co Donegal is to take time away from his diocese, the Bishop of Killala said this morning.

    Dr John Fleming described the circumstances of the case as “a complete shock” to him.

    The bishop said he met the cleric since the case ended on Friday.

    “He has decided to take some time to himself, away from the diocese, to reflect on his life, on the commitments he made and on his ministry, as well as to think about the future,” Dr Fleming said.

    “I hope and pray during these coming weeks and months that the Lord will be with all of us to renew our own faith, and the faith and trust of this community.”

    Translation: "Not sure if we can have a known ghey about the place, might scare off some of the parishoners and their cash"

    If the RCC has issues with trust it's not really to do with what priests got up to with consenting adults...

    In summing up, Judge Johnson said it was clear that both men still cared about eachother. “They are both clear very decent men who still have considerable regard for each other. They have dedicated their lives to helping others, Fr Rosbotham as a priest and Mr Crawford as a carer.

    “I think it is unfortunate that this matter had to be aired in court and it certainly strikes me as a case that was tailor-made for mediation.

    “Had the parties agreed to mediation, the matter could have been dealt with in private, with each of the parties retaining ownership of the ultimate resolution.”

    Could have been kept all hushed up and avoided 'causing scandal to the church' :rolleyes:

    Life ain't always empty.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,810 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Jaysus, 3 posts in a row but this is too good not to share.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/notorious-anti-gay-church-that-got-the-neighbours-it-deserved-1.1968130

    WBC - meet the new rainbow colored[sic] neighbors[sic]...

    Life ain't always empty.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,836 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Why did I look at the comments section? *facepalm*


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,993 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    Translation: "Not sure if we can have a known ghey about the place, might scare off some of the parishoners and their cash"
    If the RCC has issues with trust it's not really to do with what priests got up to with consenting adults...
    The Bishop managed to keep a straight face when he said today he knew nothing about any of it.
    It seems to be a big deal among some, but if you break it down into the two issues;
    1. Two priests were gay.
    2. A guy had a row after leaving his "ex" about who owned what.

    There's not much to see really, except the usual hypocrisy within the church.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Do not despair! He has come to save us all! Captain Happy is here!
    http://www.broadsheet.ie/2014/10/21/the-anti-dude/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭Cork boy 55




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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,395 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    An atheist from Kerry sticks his head up over the parapet:

    http://datbeardyman.blogspot.ie/2014/10/kerryman-letter-re-atheism.html?m=1
    Reading Father Brian Whelan (October 1) I was amazed by how defensive he seems. One would think we weren't living in a country with a sectarian constitution that bars atheists from high office; a country with a church dominated education system. How scared he seems to be of a noisy minority, despite the many privileges afforded his church.

    To me his complaints and concerns about atheists seem bizarre given that a prince of his church, Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor, suggests that atheists are not fully human.

    Father Whelan is free to believe in the unseen and is supported by the laws and institutions of his country in that decision. Let him try not being a part of the majority tradition for a while, then he might have something to complain about.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭RikuoAmero


    robindch wrote: »
    An atheist from Kerry sticks his head up over the parapet:

    http://datbeardyman.blogspot.ie/2014/10/kerryman-letter-re-atheism.html?m=1

    ****ing hell...I knew about the blasphemy law, and our christian heritage, but I didn't know that the oath to public office (at least for a President or a Judge, according to here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheist_Ireland#Secularising_the_Irish_Constitution)
    requires a religious oath.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,395 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    A Saudi cleric determines that Twitter is the source of all evil:

    http://news.yahoo.com/twitter-source-evil-top-saudi-cleric-135107747.html
    Yahoo wrote:
    Riyadh (AFP) - Twitter is nothing more than "a source of lies" and evil, Saudi Arabia's top Muslim cleric said, in comments that sparked lively debate Tuesday on the microblogging site. "If it were used correctly, it could be of real benefit, but unfortunately it's exploited for trivial matters," Sheikh Abdul Aziz al-Sheikh said on his "Fatwa" television show broadcast late Monday.

    Twitter is "the source of all evil and devastation", the mufti said.

    "People are rushing to it thinking it's a source of credible information but it's a source of lies and falsehood." The social media platform is popular among both men and women in ultra-conservative Saudi Arabia, where some supported the mufti's views but many others objected.

    "This is why I will repent, and close my account to distance myself from this great evil," one Twitter user wrote with apparent sarcasm. "Respected sheikh, how can you judge something without using it?" another post asked.

    But a supporter of the sheikh wrote: "I swear the mufti has spoken the truth; the evils of Twitter are many." Saudi Arabia adopts a strict version of Sunni Islam, including a segregation of the sexes, that influences all aspects of life in the Gulf kingdom.


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,810 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/alcohol-kennels-manicures-hep-c-group-spending-revealed-1.1974095
    Alcohol, kennels, manicures - Hep C group spending revealed

    Some €2.3 million was allocated between 2009 and 2013 to Positive Action, which was set up in 1994 to support women infected with Hepatitis C by contaminated blood products administered to them after they gave birth.

    An internal audit found almost €104,000 was spent on travel to conferences over four years, with some spouses accompanying directors.

    Other expenses included €19,450 on supermarket bills, gifts worth €2,223, a courier to transport dry cleaning cost €202 and dog kennels cost €185.

    More than €600 was also spent on alcohol at a conference on liver disease, €550 for a member to attend a Dancing the Spiral course.

    More than €100,000 was spent on therapies such as angel card readings, angel healing, crystal reading, spiritual healing, aromatherapy and reflexology.

    A range of massage and beauty therapies, including facials, manicures and pedicures were also funded and the internal audit found this was not an appropriate use of scarce public funds.

    Speaking on RTÉ’s Today with Sean O’Rourke, Ms Bruton said members of the group got solace from angel card reading.

    The HSE took over the running of Positive Action in January after raising what the executive described as “serious concerns” over its governance and management of public money.

    Life ain't always empty.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭RikuoAmero


    More than €600 was also spent on alcohol at a conference on liver disease,

    facepalm-captain-picard.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin



    550 for a member to attend a Dancing the Spiral course.

    What the jaysus is that, sez I.

    is it this?
    http://reclaimingspiraldance.org/
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrvak4Q-I3Y


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,862 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    What are the chances that the person doing the approvals is friendly with any of the local angel healers or crystal readers?

    At least prosecutions seem to be on the way:

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/prosecution-likely-over-spending-of-positive-action-funds-1.1974928


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,624 ✭✭✭SebBerkovich


    It's quite clear what happened here - They spent 600 quid on booze, but when that ran out they sent some poor guy out with the instruction to pick up some more spirits.

    He simply misunderstood.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,395 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Software engineer Dan Kegel has discovered a 61-page manual from the Chiropractic Business Institute which appears to have circulated in the 1950s:
    • In addition to technique, there are four other factors of vital importance. You must also be a master salesman, an astute psychologist, a brilliant individualist, and an able business man.
    • All doctors are naturally familiar with Diagnosis, but its interpretation means only the diagnosing of disease. Yet there is a second diagnosis of equal and vital importance. It deals primarily with analyzing a patient from a business standpoint, to determine his worth to the doctor.

    More here:

    http://www.chirobase.org/20PB/chiro-business-manual.pdf


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,993 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    Nodin wrote: »
    Spiral Dance? Never heard of it before, but I think we should accept your hypothesis as truth (at least until some other more convincing explanation emerges)


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