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Abortion Discussion, Part Trois

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  • #122
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Daith wrote: »
    Does the fetus have less rights now that the mother is in the UK?

    It gives women a constitutional right to travel with the full knowledge they are availing of services which are illegal in Ireland.
    But as I stated above, it does not indemnify them from prosecution. Therefore it technically doesn't alter the status of the foetus at all, as extraterritorial prosecution is still applicable, though never enacted apparently.

    Edit: sorry there, I'm not sure if I responded to something you've retracted or we have some weirdness to to the thread moving.


  • #123
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    robindch wrote: »
    (placeholder)
    May I ask why trois? Ou est part deux?


  • #124
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    May I why trois? Ou est part deux?
    The other thread was part deux.


  • #125
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,396 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    May I why trois? Ou est part deux?
    Un, deux, trois sont ici:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056738261
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056990082
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057495102


  • #126
    Mr. CooL ICE
    Registered Users Posts: 17,489 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    Last thread was aborted.



    14 years for robindch


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  • #127
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    May I why trois? Ou est part deux?


    I knew it'd happen once they let the Syrians in....we're speakin the Arab now.


  • #128
    emmet02
    Registered Users Posts: 24,815 ✭✭✭✭emmet02


    Nicolas Cage wrote: »
    Last thread was aborted.
    14 years for robindch

    robindch was out of the country at the time so it's grand.


  • #129
    Absolam
    Registered Users Posts: 6,913 ✭✭✭Absolam


    kylith wrote: »
    My question was worded to suggest that a foetus at 12 weeks gestation, which does not have a functioning brain, nervous system, eyes, ears, lungs, or anything that would be necessary to consider it a 'person' other than human DNA is not a person. .
    Can you point out which words suggested that?
    kylith wrote: »
    And also worded to suggest that terminating said brainless, nerveless, earless, eyeless, lungless foetus, is nowhere near as bad as raping an actual, living, functioning, independently viable human female with a brain, thoughts, emotions, and experiences.
    I think I got where you said that prefering to rape a 12 year old over performing an abortion at 12 weeks is inhuman. I think you must have left out the words you intended to suggest the hyperbole?
    kylith wrote: »
    That fact that you can equate a human female with a foetus is shocking to me. As is the fact that someone could ever consider the termination of an insensible foetus as worse than the brutal rape of a woman.
    The fact that you would choose to either rape someone or to kill someone is shocking to me. I guess we all have different point of view.


  • #130
    Kev W
    Registered Users Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    May I why trois? Ou est part deux?

    Such a missed opportunity not calling it "Third Trimester". :)


  • #131
    robdonn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭robdonn


    Kev W wrote: »
    Such a missed opportunity not calling it "Third Trimester". :)

    If we did that then we would be legally obliged to continue unless the thread became a threat to our lives.


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  • #132
    wench
    Registered Users Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭wench


    Kev W wrote: »
    Such a missed opportunity not calling it "Third Trimester". :)
    That would imply we could reach a conclusion in the next 10,000 posts!


  • #133
    robdonn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭robdonn


    wench wrote: »
    That would imply we could reach a conclusion in the next 10,000 posts!

    After the next 10,000 posts the next thread will have to be called "Abortion Discussion, 40+"


  • #134
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,396 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    A bunch of posts have been moved over from the Hazards of Belief thread.

    #busyaroundheretoday


  • #135
    The Black Oil
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,196 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    Did a double take when I saw this. Jump into the timeline to read more.

    https://twitter.com/carolmhunt/status/643914451691937792

    https://twitter.com/carolmhunt/status/644449228434108416

    Moderator: Television, Psychology and Dublin County North.

    CMod: Entertainment



  • #136
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/19/us/planned-parenthood-government-funding.html?_r=0
    HFS. Moronic.


  • #137
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 33,825 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Paywall link. ah, viewable if you let it set a cookie.
    WASHINGTON — House Republicans vented their rage against Planned Parenthood on Friday, voting to block all federal financing for the organization, which they accused of profiting from the sale of aborted fetuses for medical research. It was unclear, however, if the vote would mollify conservative lawmakers who have threatened to force a government shutdown over the abortion issue.

    :rolleyes:
    Neither the Planned Parenthood bill, which passed 241 to 187, nor a second anti-abortion measure approved on Friday has any chance of becoming law because of opposition from Senate Democrats and President Obama.

    Just like trying to repeal Obamacare, they are wasting their time on pointless crap instead of governing their country. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

    Life ain't always empty.



  • #138
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Once again, the can of worms bobs to the surface.....

    "Ms Y, the asylum seeker who last year unsuccessfully sought an abortion after arriving in Ireland pregnant as a result of an alleged rape, will issue personal injury proceeding against 11 named respondents “in coming weeks”.
    Miss Y’s solicitor, Caoimhe Haughey, has also been invited to comment on a draft of the independent review of the HSE’s July 2014 decision, to seek a High Court order to forcibly hydrate Miss Y, who was on hunger and thirst strike at the time.
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/ms-y-to-sue-11-respondents-over-abortion-refusal-1.2357456

    There's a new Breda O'Brien article on there somewhere about abortion as well. Can't face it meself tbh.


  • #139
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,459 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    Can't say I blame her for taking a case, hope she wins it


  • #140
    222233
    Registered Users Posts: 1,114 ✭✭✭222233


    Nodin wrote: »
    Once again, the can of worms bobs to the surface.....

    "Ms Y, the asylum seeker who last year unsuccessfully sought an abortion after arriving in Ireland pregnant as a result of an alleged rape, will issue personal injury proceeding against 11 named respondents “in coming weeks”.
    Miss Y’s solicitor, Caoimhe Haughey, has also been invited to comment on a draft of the independent review of the HSE’s July 2014 decision, to seek a High Court order to forcibly hydrate Miss Y, who was on hunger and thirst strike at the time.
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/ms-y-to-sue-11-respondents-over-abortion-refusal-1.2357456

    There's a new Breda O'Brien article on there somewhere about abortion as well. Can't face it meself tbh.


    Although this will never compensate or make up for what this girl went through in our "lovely" country I hope she gets the winning end of this one.


  • #141
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Here's a handy and concise summary of Breda yesterday: I know best. Women talk to me about abortion which is fierce useful for my anecdotes as data approach to my columns. References to dead refugee child for some reason. Abortion always murder. I know best, so just follow my lead.


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  • #142
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    lazygal wrote: »
    Here's a handy and concise summary of Breda yesterday: I know best. Women talk to me about abortion which is fierce useful for my anecdotes as data approach to my columns. References to dead refugee child for some reason. Abortion always murder. I know best, so just follow my lead.

    Thank you for suffering on my behalf. I hope you didn't puke on anything that's difficult to clean.


  • #143
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Nodin wrote: »
    Thank you for suffering on my behalf. I hope you didn't puke on anything that's difficult to clean.

    My eyes did feel a little sore from rolling so much.


  • #144
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Cabaal wrote: »
    Can't say I blame her for taking a case, hope she wins it


    There is always the possibility - overall - that where decency and compassion fail, fear of a feckin huge payout will triumph. Sad, but there ye go.


  • #145
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Will the people and organizations involved in her "care" be named?


  • #146
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users Posts: 11,836 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    I'd hazard a guess "womenhurt.ie" is one of them.


  • #147
    MrPudding
    Registered Users Posts: 9,788 ✭✭✭MrPudding


    lazygal wrote: »
    Will the people and organizations involved in her "care" be named?

    They should be a matter of public record. Justice must be done and be seen to be done, after all.

    MrP


  • #148
    Absolam
    Registered Users Posts: 6,913 ✭✭✭Absolam


    lazygal wrote: »
    Will the people and organizations involved in her "care" be named?
    MrPudding wrote: »
    They should be a matter of public record. Justice must be done and be seen to be done, after all.
    Aren't the organisations already a matter of public record? As for people... perhaps it would be prudent to see if there's any evidence of wrongdoing by anyone before they're subjected to a witch hunt?


  • #149
    krankykitty
    Registered Users Posts: 1,518 ✭✭✭krankykitty


    lazygal wrote: »
    Here's a handy and concise summary of Breda yesterday: I know best. Women talk to me about abortion which is fierce useful for my anecdotes as data approach to my columns. References to dead refugee child for some reason. Abortion always murder. I know best, so just follow my lead.

    What woman in her right mind would talk to Breda about her abortion.. Why would you :eek:
    Its like right, I had an abortion and want to talk about it, lets find the most judgemental person on the topic I can


  • #150
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Though deemed entitled to an abortion under the terms of the Protection of Life During Pregnancy Act, she did not receive one.
    If she didn't receive the appropriate medical care mandated by Irish law then that's definite malpractice. Maybe when doctors start to lose their jobs (which will be never) they might take notice.
    The question over whether it was appropriate to seek an order to forcibly hydrate her when she was not mentally impaired was raised subsequently.
    Not sure how this works. She was diagnosed as suicidal but not mentally impaired? That's admitting that being suicidal is an appropriate response to the "care" she received from the HSE!


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  • #151
    volchitsa
    Registered Users Posts: 6,953 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    If she didn't receive the appropriate medical care mandated by Irish law then that's definite malpractice.
    You'd expect, wouldn't you?
    Remember all that fuss at the time about whether she'd had a termination of pregnancy or not, as per the act? The Act doesn't actually say the word abortion, but otoh, it doesn't say termination either.
    IIRC it says a medical procedure (ending in) the death of the baby. Which is not what happened.

    So I'd say the HSE are quite likely hoist on their own petard there. But they are so brazen about rigging investigations that it's hard to be sure there won't be some carpet around to sweep it all under all the same.
    Not sure how this works. She was diagnosed as suicidal but not mentally impaired? That's admitting that being suicidal is an appropriate response to the "care" she received from the HSE!
    That seems to be about the height of it, doesn't it?

    Again, a problem of their own making that's swung round and hit them square in the face, because she had to be mentally competent for her "consent" for the C-section to have any value. So they can't also claim that she was on hunger/thirst strike because the balance of her mind was disturbed (the usual justification for force feeding anorexics for example).

    But then, anorexics don't actually want to die, they just don't believe they will. Whereas Miss Y did, or at least, had chosen death as preferable to remaining pregnant. Which IMO is a valid choice in the circumstances.

    I don't see how they have a leg to stand on, to be perfectly frank.


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