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Household Charge Mega-Thread [Part 2] *Poll Reset*

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    #722
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    hondasam wrote: »
    When I built my house I needed planning permission from my local county council, the same council who now need me to register my septic tank. Have they not got the details there, well of course they have on paper but not on a database, you know how long it would take for then to manually go through every application that is say ten years old.
    There is no database that is reliable.

    The register of deeds says nothing about your septic tank. If you want to worm out of paying the fiver to register your tank, it won't help the council. Different situation. You should pay the fiver all the same.


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    #723
    paddy147
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    Alastair,for a man who says he didnt vit for FG or big Phil,you sure do spend some amout of time here defending the man and the party.

    I wonder how much of the public will actually share the same views as you,now that "villagate" has broken cover and Phil says he wont pay and has a right to privicy and to say no.

    I wonder how many perople will have sympathy for him and defend him.

    I wonder will Enda or any of his own party members defend him.

    Suppose we will find out in due time


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    #724
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    D_murph wrote: »
    Things must be quiet at your business considering how much time you spend on here :pac:.
    Very mean spirited post.


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    #725
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Sionach wrote: »
    Once again the clue is in the name.

    Yep - it's a tax.


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    #726
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,485 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    So at the deadline of midnight ONE MILLION brave souls refused to be intimidated, scared and cajoled into paying an unfair Household Tax.
    Hold your heads high lads and well done. You have scared the **** out of the F.G. party. They didn't expect the majority of the population to dig their heels in and go against their wishes.
    The Irish people have at last awoken and made themselves heard.


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    #727
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    dvpower wrote: »
    What the hell are you on about now?:confused:

    http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=property%20rights%20in%20ireland&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CE0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.citizensinformation.ie%2Fen%2Fgovernment_in_ireland%2Firish_constitution_1%2Fright_to_own_property.html&ei=Q2Z4T7GRB8eFhQfP9JSPDQ&usg=AFQjCNEwCH7kGwvRtKS43Yzge4LJRqXNUQ

    Article 43.If the state passes a law that restricts your property rights, it may be required to compensate you for this restriction.

    Examples of restrictions or limitations on your right to own property include town and regional planning, protection of national monuments, compulsory acquisition of land and property taxes.


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    #728
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,419 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    alastair wrote: »
    The register of deeds says nothing about your septic tank. If you want to worm out of paying the fiver to register your tank, it won't help the council. Different situation. You should pay the fiver all the same.

    Same situation alastair. My name is in the land registry but not on a database, it's all on paper files. It would take years for them to go through the land registry to find who owns what.
    I have not registered it yet no, will I, maybe, probably.


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    #729
    Sionach
    Registered Users Posts: 57 ✭✭Sionach


    alastair wrote: »
    Sionach wrote: »
    Once again the clue is in the name.

    Yep - it's a tax.
    Where in the definition of this charge as laid out by the government say that it is a tax?


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    #730
    paddy147
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    alastair wrote: »
    Ignorance of the law is not a legal defence. Plus you do know about your obligation to pay - so why lie?

    Goverment had lots of lovely little obligations and prommises to me and the rest of the people of Ireland,but they so far have broken them all.

    Goverment requested/asked me to pay.I said NO.

    To nick a line from Amy Whinehouses song......

    "They tried to make me pay the household charge,and I say NO NO NO"


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    #731
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    tayto lover wrote: »
    So at the deadline of midnight ONE MILLION brave souls refused to be intimidated, scared and cajoled into paying an unfair Household Tax.
    Hold your heads high lads and well done. You have scared the **** out of the F.G. party. They didn't expect the majority of the population to dig their heels in and go against their wishes.
    The Irish people have at last awoken and made themselves heard.

    Ahh now - we moved on from ONE MILLION before midnight. That bird has flown.


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    #732
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,419 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    alastair wrote: »
    Ahh now - we moved on from ONE MILLION before midnight. That bird has flown.

    http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=household%20charge&source=web&cd=5&ved=0CEgQqQIwBA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishexaminer.com%2Fbreakingnews%2Fireland%2Ffinal-household-charge-tally-exceeds-800k-545785.html&ei=hWx4T9O3I8W4hAeSiPCNDQ&usg=AFQjCNEUr3tVwFClD3MX6db-Rq3lpwolww


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    #733
    Cork24
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,663 ✭✭✭Cork24


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=property%20rights%20in%20ireland&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CE0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.citizensinformation.ie%2Fen%2Fgovernment_in_ireland%2Firish_constitution_1%2Fright_to_own_property.html&ei=Q2Z4T7GRB8eFhQfP9JSPDQ&usg=AFQjCNEwCH7kGwvRtKS43Yzge4LJRqXNUQ

    Article 43.If the state passes a law that restricts your property rights, it may be required to compensate you for this restriction.

    Examples of restrictions or limitations on your right to own property include town and regional planning, protection of national monuments, compulsory acquisition of land and property taxes.


    he Constitution (Bunreacht na hÉireann) declares that Irish citizens have a right to own property.

    "Does this Mean a Homeless Irish Citizen should by Law be given a house to Live in by the Irish State Government ? then Force him to pay the 100 Euro Tax


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    #734
    Royal Legend
    Registered Users Posts: 2,654 ✭✭✭Royal Legend


    Now the LGMA don't know how many households are liable, as the socialists are claiming it is over 1.8m, where all along the LGMA and the Government were claiming 1.6m, so yet again confusion or dis-information from the government on this.

    so them it looks like ONE MILLION PEOPLE DID NOT PAY :)


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    #735
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Cork24 wrote: »
    he Constitution (Bunreacht na hÉireann) declares that Irish citizens have a right to own property.

    "Does this Mean a Homeless Irish Citizen should by Law be given a house to Live in by the Irish State Government ? then Force him to pay the 100 Euro Tax
    :confused:


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    #736
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    Your mate DV reckons it's not a tax.
    It's not called a tax.
    They won't call it a tax because it can be challenged through the courts if they do.
    Property rights and all that...
    gerryo777 wrote: »
    http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=property%20rights%20in%20ireland&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CE0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.citizensinformation.ie%2Fen%2Fgovernment_in_ireland%2Firish_constitution_1%2Fright_to_own_property.html&ei=Q2Z4T7GRB8eFhQfP9JSPDQ&usg=AFQjCNEwCH7kGwvRtKS43Yzge4LJRqXNUQ

    Article 43.If the state passes a law that restricts your property rights, it may be required to compensate you for this restriction.

    Examples of restrictions or limitations on your right to own property include town and regional planning, protection of national monuments, compulsory acquisition of land and property taxes.
    Are you seriously suggesting that to call this a tax would make it unconstitutional, but somehow, they can get around this by simply changing the name?
    Someone should have thought of that the last time we had a property tax on the statute books.:rolleyes:


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    #737
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Article 43 acknowledges that these rights ought to be regulated by the principles of social justice. This means that the State may pass laws limiting your right to private propety in the interests of the common good. If the state passes a law that restricts your property rights, it may be required to compensate you for this restriction.

    Examples of restrictions or limitations on your right to own property include town and regional planning, protection of national monuments, compulsory acquisition of land and property taxes.


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    #738
    paddy147
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    alastair wrote: »
    Ahh now - we moved on from ONE MILLION before midnight. That bird has flown.


    Ok so,why dont you tell us the EXACT FIGURES then??


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    #739
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    dvpower wrote: »
    Are you seriously suggesting that to call this a tax would make it unconstitutional, but somehow, they can get around this by simply changing the name?
    Someone should have thought of that the last time we had a property tax on the statute books.:rolleyes:
    What's the last two words there, examples of restrictions, can you read?


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    #740
    The_Thing
    Registered Users Posts: 1,017 ✭✭✭The_Thing


    Noonan appears to be giving the Nazi salute in this photograph taken yesterday.


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    #741
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    Royal Legend wrote: »
    Now the LGMA don't know how many households are liable, as the socialists are claiming it is over 1.8m, where all along the LGMA and the Government were claiming 1.6m, so yet again confusion or dis-information from the government on this.

    so them it looks like ONE MILLION PEOPLE DID NOT PAY :)

    Could it be 1.8 million homes but 1.6 million home-owners?


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    #742
    My name is URL
    Registered Users Posts: 25,059 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    The_Thing wrote: »
    Noonan appears to be giving the Nazi salute in this photograph taken yesterday.

    That's just silly. There is however a picture doing the rounds, one of a FG delegate giving the finger to the protesters outside the Ard Fheis. Says it all really.


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    #743
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    My name is URL wrote: »
    That's just silly. There is however a picture doing the rounds, one of a FG delegate giving the finger to the protesters outside the Ard Fheis. Says it all really.
    Yea, classy woman ok.


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    #744
    Roverek
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19 ✭Roverek


    hondasam wrote: »
    There is no database that is reliable.
    of course there is no database!!! that is why they want people to register themselves :-). So all the fools register themselves. Ireland is not Germany. German PS is intelligent well trained PS, Irish ...well :-).
    They want to tract me :-)! I can sit and wait. Paddy Power could start to take bets: How long is it going to take to track a citizen who fail to pay a houshold charge! :D and how much is going to cost to pay PS to track me :D:D:D? What do you think?


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    #745
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    The_Thing wrote: »
    Noonan appears to be giving the Nazi salute in this photograph taken yesterday.
    We're plumbing the depths now.


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    #746
    paddy147
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    Alastair...why did you yourself not pay the poll tax in England????

    Id like a full explanation please.


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    #747
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    What's the last two words there, examples of restrictions, can you read?

    There's a 'may' in there too. And there wasn't any state compensation required for the application of rates last time out (nor indeed for commercial rates today). I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for a rebate on property taxes.


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    #748
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    What's the last two words there, examples of restrictions, can you read?
    Article 43 makes no mention of property tax.


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    #749
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    paddy147 wrote: »
    Alastair...why did you yourself not pay the poll tax in England????

    Id like a full explanation please.

    Read the thread. I don't need to repeat myself.


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    #750
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,419 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    paddy147 wrote: »
    Alastair...why did you yourself not pay the poll tax in England????

    Id like a full explanation please.
    alastair wrote: »
    Read the thread. I don't need to repeat myself.

    I agree with alastair on this one.


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    #751
    paddy147
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    alastair wrote: »
    Read the thread. I don't need to repeat myself.


    But you keep on repeating yourself here on this thread though,with all your posts.



    Please tell me again and tell everyone here who didnt see your post and doesnt know where it is.

    Please do give me and everyone else here a full explanation why you did not pay the poll tax in England.

    Thanks


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