Frampton VS Avalos ITV

kilns wrote: »

The only annoying thing about the Frampton thing is McGuigan, a bit like Eubank with Jnr

The Mcguigan vibe strikes me as being pretty intense and I think Frampton also needs an experienced voice in the corner for some of the fights ahead!

I think Donaire is lose lose and he's a step above Quigg. With the momentum he has at the moment I think they should roll the bandwagon on to vegas and try get the Cruz fight!

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

Getting knocked down twice by an unranked guy is pretty alarming. Imagine what an elite boxer like Carl could achieve? I will say that guy was freakishly tall for his weight and his reach probably played a part in his success in flooring Rigo but still Rigo is well into his thirties now. Carl has a chance. Rigo is kinda like Marquez in the way he gets dropped a fair amount in his fights but is rarely actually hurt badly by knockdowns. His recovery is excellent.

Boxrec have Amagasa 8th, was 7th. Not exactly unranked. He also happens to an odd fighter for that weight as he's 5'10 and a reach of 71". When you're thinking Rigo is 5'4 and Frampton is 5'5, it's a big size difference.

Avalos was pretty ordinary, but Carl looked as sharp and strong as ever. Refreshing to see an Irish pro with a solid inside game.

As to Rigo. I've had my bellyfull of the nonsense surrounding him and boxers "afraid" to meet him. Whether it's on this forum or elsewhere. He's a man, with two arms and two legs. It's not like anyone has to move 3 weights to meet him. He hasn't done anything major in his pro career apart from a win over Donaire. He's in his mid 30s now. Man up and fight each other. You're meant to be hard an confident pro boxers. Listening to Barry it is Frampton who is number 1. Ok, go fight the best then.

Rant over

Another win or two and Frampton is knocking on the door of the p4p lists

NotCominBack wrote: »

Scott Quigg and Avalos in top 5 sbw's, plus Martinez being considered as a serious contender... You don't have to go back as far as morales and Barrera. When Martinez beat Dunne he wasn't even considered a remote danger to the top sbw's at the time. And it could be argued he was at his peak about then.

:eek:, I'd like to see someone try and argue that. I don't think you'll find many who believe Martinez's was back when he was mixing wins and losses at European level as opposed to the last year and a half when he's been primarily winning at World level.

Martinez has improved in leaps and bounds and I certainly wouldn't consider a division weak because he is considered a top 5 fighter. It is true that Super-Bantamweight lacks depth outside of the top 5/6 guys, even the outer reaches of the top 10 are really just prospects. But the top guys really are fantastic, and I think we'll see some good contenders emerge within the next 18 months. I really like the look of Albert Pagara, and Kid Galahad is starting to show some substance to go with the style.

NotCominBack wrote: »

I wouldnt get too carried away with tonight - Avalos is soft and hes in the top 5, also with someone like Quigg - sbw lacks any depth these days, not Carls fault - Carl is best of the rest, but doesnt touch Rig or LSC to a slightly lesser extent

LSC, what has he done in his last 4 fights to suggest he is above Frampton ?
IMO his lack of tough opposition is starting to get to him, and there's little progress in his performances. LSC is irrelevant anyway, unless Frampton, Quigg or Rigondeaux sign with Al Haymon they won't be fighting him (and neither will another other opponent with even an element of risk).

megadodge wrote: »

There was no standing count rule in effect.

In most juristictions there isn't.

It perplexes me that more people aren't aware of this. I mean so few places use them (even most of the ones that do use them infrequently), that you'd think most people wouldn't even be aware they're used in pro boxing at all and think it's just an amateur rule.

rebelomar wrote: »

Nonsense from McGuigan afterwards mentioning Rigo when he has no intention of making that fight anytime soon.

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Yes, chasing Scott Quigg? What will that tell us? That he's better than Scott Quigg? It's all money. And who can blame them. Probably make more fighting Quigg than an actual world champion, Rigondeaux. Ok, we'll give him Quigg as a warm up and Rigondeaux at the end of the year. Anyone notice the 2-3 inch height advantage to Quigg? I think it makes for a very good fight.

Frampton continues to really impress, a few years ago there was probably not much between Quigg and Frampton and I gave the edge to Quigg but Frampton has progressed to a level far beyond Quigg. He would destroy him now.

walshb wrote: »

I would agree about Frampton. I am seeing steady improvements. Seems to take a good shot too. Takes it and continues in offense mode. That's a sign of a good beard. Quigg's height and tight defence could make for a great style clash. Quigg is as fit as a fiddle, strong and can bang a bit to the body. Frampton is IMO clearly a better all rounder. I see this as a barnburner. Not much ground given, and could boil down to who is fitter and stronger. I would lean with Carl.

I don't think it would be v close, Frampton would outbox him clearly IMO, Hearn is no fool, if he thought quigg could really win he would be all over this fight, it might happen but it won't be Hearn pushing his boy out to lose

Frampton vs Rigo is almost at a point where it's interesting now. That alone reflects huge progress in Frampton.

walshb wrote: »

I think so. Give it a fooking bash. What's the worst that can happen? You lose....Frampton has heart and fitness and power and a decent chin it seems. He can fight all night, and I reckon he won't be afraid to take the fight to Rigo. Far too much is being made of Rigo here. He's a SBW, not a MW. Get in there, rough it up and give it your all. You might just surprise yourself.

I don't think Frampton would fear Rigondeaux anymore. Respect yes, but not fear. Of course there is the money fight there with Quigg first, a Superfight on this side of the Atlantic, and that's surely where they'll go to first.

But if he comes through that I wouldn't be that surprised for Barry to actually try and make it. It's far more likely than a fight with LSC imo.

NotCominBack wrote: »

Carl couldn't have won any better, however rig is a couple of steps up from Avalos and Martinez. A step too far I believe, and after McGuigan comes down from the jelly beans he will cop on to avoid Rig and go for the cash, rightly so imo

i doubt very much that carl and rigo match will ever come about ,plenty out there for frampton to overcome and no way will barry risk frampton against rigo for maybe 2/3 years at least

Frampton and his team will come under serious pressure if they don't make the Rigondeaux fight after Quigg. Santa Cruz doesn't seem interested in fighting anyone with a pulse so after Frampton beats Quigg, the Rigo fight is the only big fight available really.

It's like Chavez Jr with Martinez and Donaire with Rigo, Frampton will be able to put it off for a few fights but it will have to be made at some point.

I won't be attending any of his fights if he ends up fighting C-level Asians while Rigo is available.