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Legalize Cannabis Ireland

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  • #542
    ScumLord
    Registered Users Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    wildlifeboy wrote: »
    If its so cheap to grow why does it cost 300 for an ounce when you can get pollen or soapbar for a fraction of the cost and thats imported..i think
    It would be so cheap to grow it legally. The street price includes a huge profit margin for gangs. The street price could be much lower but industrially grown weed would be a fraction of that price again.

    Pollen and soap bar are complete muck. At best one quarter of that brick of soap is actual hash. Proper hash is way more expensive than weed because it requires additional processing.


  • #543
    Coeurdepirate
    Registered Users Posts: 2,576 ✭✭✭Coeurdepirate


    I don't give a **** whether or not it gets legalised. I'm still going to smoke it!


  • #544
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    wildlifeboy wrote: »
    soapbar for a fraction of the cost and thats imported..i think



    Used tractor tyres are cheap and make great filler when ground up.


  • #545
    Lord of the Bongs
    Registered Users Posts: 121 ✭✭Lord of the Bongs


    Im all for legalization of Cannabis, however a lot of people here seem to think that it is a simple, harmless plant. The fact is that at the moment the most used form of the drug in Ireland is home grown skunk, which is proven to be genetically enhanced to be more potent. I for one welcome this but not all people are affected the same way and even ordinary docile version of cannabis like hash can be shown to have impacted from various extremes depending on the user, some people can handle it others become addicts. Legalization of the drug though makes so much sense are all the positives outway the negatives.

    hers is the current situation in Ireland -

    1) its illegal
    2) its doesnt matter thats illegal users still get to use it
    3) the government doesnt make any money on it
    4) the government/taxpayers money is wasted trying to police it
    5) Criminals are profiting from it to the tune of billions


  • #546
    Coeurdepirate
    Registered Users Posts: 2,576 ✭✭✭Coeurdepirate


    Kirby wrote: »
    This is one of the most annoying myths that is perpetuated constantly. The most of the same carcinogens from smoking tobacco come from smoking marijuana. It's not healthy and the idea that it has never killed anybody would be hilarious if it wasn't so tragic.

    In my opinion, people can do what they like. I would even be for legalising cannabis as there are plenty of worse drugs which are legal.....so why not legalise it? There is plenty worse out there in the stores.

    But please, stop spreading misinformation about cannabis being as harmless as kittens. It's wrong and it just gives the "no" side a stick to beat you with.

    Smoking cannabis can be bad for you, albeit not as bad as smoking cigarettes. However, there are many other ways to consume it which are not bad for you.

    But anyway, could you provide us with a few links of deaths that have directly been cause by cannabis consumption? :)


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  • #547
    Sea Filly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,213 ✭✭✭Sea Filly


    mikom wrote: »
    Research like this that says the converse.........

    I'm simply pointing out that it seems compared to other substances, a lot more has yet to be ascertained about cannabis and its affect on the body.


  • #548
    tdv123
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,292 ✭✭✭tdv123


    emul8ter25 wrote: »
    So many haters here but with no real reason for it.

    I think everyone can agree that cannabis is less harmful than alcohol, so whats the big problem?

    Regulate it, tax it, whatever... thats all fine. Maybe we would see a few less heroine addicts around if it was legal.


    What? We'd see more if anything, if the dealers can't sell soft drugs there just going to push the harder ones more.


  • #549
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    141_Oscar_Mike wrote: »
    Keep it illegal and lets keep funding criminal enterprises. That's all prohibition achieves. Those of you against the decriminalization of cannabis are laughed at and fcuking loved by these people. You're keeping them in business and business is booming. So idiotic.

    The only people keeping them in business are the people who give them money. Prohibition may create that environment but it's the buyer who hands them money of their own free will.


  • #550
    crazy cabbage
    Registered Users Posts: 738 ✭✭✭crazy cabbage


    Lord of the Bongs wrote: »
    1) its illegal
    2) its doesnt matter thats illegal users still get to use it
    3) the government doesnt make any money on it
    4) the government/taxpayers money is wasted trying to police it
    5) Criminals are profiting from it to the tune of billions

    I know. And them billions could be taken out of the hands of criminal gangs and put into the education system or tax relief for low income families or drug awarness or or or....


    And to those who bellieve in the 'gateway' effect (that is if you take Cannabis then you are bound to go on to harder drugs) i will just say this

    In hollond where Cannabis is legal and regulated the chances of someone expermenting/ trying heroin is 1/1000. In ireland where cannabis is illegal the chances of taking heroin is 1/60.


  • #551
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Sea Filly wrote: »
    I'm simply pointing out that it seems compared to other substances,

    Compared with what other substances......... soil.....water.... lint perhaps.

    Are you disregarding the study I posted which modelled the effects on the prevalence of schizophrenia over the lifespan of cannabis from 1940 to 1979?


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  • #552
    Lord of the Bongs
    Registered Users Posts: 121 ✭✭Lord of the Bongs


    tdv123 wrote: »
    What? We'd see more if anything, if the dealers can't sell soft drugs there just going to push the harder ones more.

    Thats daft they are already pushing the drugs as hard as they can. If anything more of the criminals that push hard drugs would be caught as the guards would have more time to focus on them.

    Believe it or not, the guards take a more lenient approach to cannabis dealers than towards heroin/cocaine dealers.


  • #553
    Foxymona
    Registered Users Posts: 21 ✭Foxymona


    There are arguments for and against this. It's difficult to draw a line really


  • #554
    emul8ter25
    Registered Users Posts: 209 ✭✭emul8ter25


    tdv123 wrote: »
    What? We'd see more if anything, if the dealers can't sell soft drugs there just going to push the harder ones more.

    Yeah but who would buy that when they could just pop into a shop and get what they want with no hassle?

    Amsterdam does not have a large hard drug problem, certainly no worse than anywhere else, probably better, so that disproves your argument.


  • #555
    crazy cabbage
    Registered Users Posts: 738 ✭✭✭crazy cabbage


    tdv123 wrote: »
    What? We'd see more if anything, if the dealers can't sell soft drugs there just going to push the harder ones more.

    In hollond where Cannabis is legal and regulated the chances of someone expermenting/ trying heroin is 1/1000. In ireland where cannabis is illegal the chances of taking heroin is 1/60.


  • #556
    emul8ter25
    Registered Users Posts: 209 ✭✭emul8ter25


    crazy cabbage wrote: »
    In hollond where Cannabis is legal and regulated the chances of someone expermenting/ trying heroin is 1/1000. In ireland where cannabis is illegal the chances of taking heroin is 1/60.

    Thank you.


  • #557
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    crazy cabbage wrote: »
    In hollond where Cannabis is legal

    Please stop posting this, as it is not true.
    It make the pro-cannabis points seem weak when untruths are posted.
    There are enough untruths already being posted by the prohibitionists.


  • #558
    crazy cabbage
    Registered Users Posts: 738 ✭✭✭crazy cabbage


    emul8ter25 wrote: »
    Thank you.

    No bother :)


  • #559
    ScumLord
    Registered Users Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    Sea Filly wrote: »
    I'm simply pointing out that it seems compared to other substances, a lot more has yet to be ascertained about cannabis and its affect on the body.
    They've been desperately searching for something damning about cannabis for decades and can't pin anything serious down. So many people have been using cannabis for so long there would be very obvious negative effects showing up and we'd all know about them. Cannabis is one of the original drugs, we've been using it longer than just about any other drug bar the likes of mushrooms.

    It's clear alcohol causes all kinds of problems, the problems with heroin and cocaine are clear and obvious. Cannabis, not so much.


  • #560
    crazy cabbage
    Registered Users Posts: 738 ✭✭✭crazy cabbage


    mikom wrote: »
    Please stop posting this, as it is not true.
    It make the pro-cannabis points seem weak when untruths are posted.
    There are enough untruths already being posted by the prohibitionists.

    Ok. i appologise. In hollond you are not allowed to possess more then 5 grams of cannabis in a public area or 30 grams in a private area. - For cultivation you may not exceed the amount of 5 plants.

    This is a play on words. while it is not legal it still allows people to grow more than enough for themselves, keep a big amount in there home and carry a fair amound on there person without being able to be touched by the law.

    So basicly they are just stoping people from growing massivie fields of cannibus and having a ton of the stuff in there homes. This i agree with. Controls have to be put in place.


  • #561
    tdv123
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,292 ✭✭✭tdv123


    Lord of the Bongs wrote: »
    Thats daft they are already pushing the drugs as hard as they can. If anything more of the criminals that push hard drugs would be caught as the guards would have more time to focus on them.

    Believe it or not, the guards take a more lenient approach to cannabis dealers than towards heroin/cocaine dealers.

    It dosen't matter how much time they have, they'll never be able to put them all away. By the time they've put one drug lord away five others will have popped up in his place. Like you said yourself the guards have become very lenient often turning a blind eye to cannabis use in recent times because harder drugs have become the main priority for them to focus on & but nothings changed. There's more junkies right now in the middle of Dublin city ceneter than I can ever remember.

    More & more teenagres are turning to crime & at younger ages all the time. Thats not going to change if Cannabis is made legal, it's just means thats one thats one less drug gangsters have to sell.

    I'm all for drug safety, but I think the pro-cannabis people are being a bit unrealistic in how much it's actually going to change things. More money from taxing it & safer cannabis use for the people who use it, thats it. That probably is a good enough reason legalise it, but please it's not going change peoples mentallity of using & selling illegal drugs.


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  • #562
    Gurgle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,064 ✭✭✭Gurgle


    ScumLord wrote: »
    They've been desperately searching for something damning about cannabis for decades and can't pin anything serious down.
    Serious issues:
    1. Loss in profit for vintners = Loss in pocket money for political parties

    2. Difficult to take in much tax money off it as people can easily grow their own if tax is overdone

    3. Joe Duffy phenomenon; people don't need information to form an opinion


  • #563
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    ScumLord wrote: »
    They've been desperately searching for something damning about cannabis for decades and can't pin anything serious down. So many people have been using cannabis for so long there would be very obvious negative effects showing up and we'd all know about them. Cannabis is one of the original drugs, we've been using it longer than just about any other drug bar the likes of mushrooms.

    It's clear alcohol causes all kinds of problems, the problems with heroin and cocaine are clear and obvious. Cannabis, not so much.

    The difference is that alcohol has been in widespread use for a long time. If cannabis were legalised and became as commonly used as alcohol it would be naive to assume that it wouldn't eventually be linked to more illnesses.


  • #564
    Oranage2
    Registered Users Posts: 11,131 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    Not the harmless little drug people make it out to be but have'n said that I think it could be legalized only if there are strict sale regulations.

    Such laws I'd like to see are:


    - 25+
    - Must not have any children under 16
    - Must have proof of income
    - Huge tax

    I know the arguement is that it's no worst than alcohol but do we really want another thing so bad rift in society?

    Some people can haddle their cannibis addiction and live normal lives but for everyone of them there are probably 10 others who spend half their dole on it every week not to mention the strong links cannibis has to depression.

    So in conclusion I wouldnt like to see cannibis legalized but I think it could be legalized under strict regulations.


  • #565
    ScumLord
    Registered Users Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    MagicSean wrote: »
    The difference is that alcohol has been in widespread use for a long time.
    So has cannabis, it's widespread use only stopped after prohibition. Cannabis has been used for longer than alcohol and by more people. So that argument is pure nonsense.

    If cannabis were legalised and became as commonly used as alcohol it would be naive to assume that it wouldn't eventually be linked to more illnesses.
    It's use is already widespread it's just underground. Cannabis also won't suit everybody. It's a completely different high from alcohol, there's no reason to think it's widespread use would have any resemblance to widespread alcohol use.


  • #566
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users Posts: 20,929 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    MagicSean wrote: »
    The difference is that alcohol has been in widespread use for a long time. If cannabis were legalised and became as commonly used as alcohol it would be naive to assume that it wouldn't eventually be linked to more illnesses.

    I'm not so sure about that, lots of people smoke ...there are effects alright but not as bad a drink. The only bad effects of canabis I can see is the user appearing slightly out there and thinking differently from the mainstream. Combine that with lack of motivation and the user may find their career stalling a bit. It may also lead to poor diet which causes issues for the user.


  • #567
    tdv123
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,292 ✭✭✭tdv123


    crazy cabbage wrote: »
    In hollond where Cannabis is legal and regulated the chances of someone expermenting/ trying heroin is 1/1000. In ireland where cannabis is illegal the chances of taking heroin is 1/60.

    There nice statistics. But I think that has more to do with the mentality of the people & not drug laws.

    Cannabis is just as good as legal in California, anyone can just walk into one of these medical Cannabis places complain about a headache or flu & walk out with a couple of grams of cannabis. Overall drug use over there is higher than it's ever been. Maybe they've clamped down on it a bit now I'm not sure but when I was over there about 3 years ago the amount of drugs I was offered over in one nite club over there was crazy I've never seen so many drugs & so many different types of drugs than when I was over there.


  • #568
    Stiffler2
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,536 ✭✭✭Stiffler2


    Can anyone help me here, I've been looking for a patch which isn't too high in altitude, is surrounded by forest tree's for protection from wind / rain.

    is on public land but extremely private, close to a river but where nobody would trek.

    I am planning on planting a massive crop of "tomatoes" next season around mid to late Feb early March.

    Myself and a bunch of 5 mates plan on finding a patch somewhere ( we are looking into powerscourt waterfall / powerscourt garden area's and ticknock but ticknock is very public, powerscourt gardens I think could be perfect.

    we plan on growing anywhere from 100 - 200 "tomato" plants on this patch.

    So if anyone knows of any land that matches the description above where I can sow a crop of "tomatoes" that would be awesome

    thnx


  • #569
    ScumLord
    Registered Users Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    tdv123 wrote: »
    There nice statistics. But I think that has more to do with the mentality of the people & not drug laws.

    Cannabis is just as good as legal in California, anyone can just walk into one of these medical Cannabis places complain about a headache or flu & walk out with a couple of grams of cannabis.
    No they can't, they have to go to a doctor and get a prescription that allows them to buy from dispensaries. It's supposedly easy enough to get a doctor to prescribe it but you can't simply walk in off the street and buy weed.

    Overall drug use over there is higher than it's ever been. Maybe they've clamped down on it a bit now I'm not sure but when I was over there about 3 years ago the amount of drugs I was offered over in one nite club over there was crazy I've never seen so many drugs & so many different types of drugs than when I was over there.
    America practically invented modern recreational drug use, they certainly popularised it. They also have the global positioning, money, local knowledge and opportunity to easily import and manufacture drugs. It's not surprising they have lots of drugs on offer.


  • #570
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    MagicSean wrote: »
    The difference is that alcohol has been in widespread use for a long time. If cannabis were legalised and became as commonly used as alcohol it would be naive to assume that it wouldn't eventually be linked to more illnesses.

    Cannabis has been in use for far longer than alcohol........ to think otherwise would be naive.
    Stiffler2 wrote: »

    I am planning on planting a massive crop of "tomatoes" next season around mid to late Feb early March.

    Too early.
    That's all you're getting...


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  • #571
    Lord of the Bongs
    Registered Users Posts: 121 ✭✭Lord of the Bongs


    tdv123 wrote: »
    It dosen't matter how much time they have, they'll never be able to put them all away. By the time they've put one drug lord away five others will have popped up in his place. Like you said yourself the guards have become very lenient often turning a blind eye to cannabis use in recent times because harder drugs have become the main priority for them to focus on & but nothings changed. There's more junkies right now in the middle of Dublin city ceneter than I can ever remember.

    More & more teenagres are turning to crime & at younger ages all the time. Thats not going to change if Cannabis is made legal, it's just means thats one thats one less drug gangsters have to sell.

    I'm all for drug safety, but I think the pro-cannabis people are being a bit unrealistic in how much it's actually going to change things. More money from taxing it & safer cannabis use for the people who use it, thats it. That probably is a good enough reason legalise it, but please it's not going change peoples mentallity of using & selling illegal drugs.

    Guards are intentionally lenient towards cannabis dealers was my point, as they themselves dont consider it as bad as someone involved in supplying harder drugs. Not all dealers sell different variety of drugs because of this as they know cops will come down harder on them. Peer pressure is much more of a factor in drug usage among young people as opposed to drug dealers 'pushing drugs' onto them. If young people were taught to avoid drugs and drink till a more adult age then that would be a major shift in the culture of drink and drug usage. I maybe wrong but the prison penalty is the same for selling drugs, whatever they maybe?


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