World of Warcraft: Warlords of Draenor

They will have to adapt or stop playing as they will be kicked quite fast from a pug.

The problem with dungeons ect is that they never invested in the small time player, instead they put all the dev work into Flex ect.

Long gone are the days of hard HC dungeons where you had to work hard as a team to get it done.

My ilvl is so high that i do 300K plus dps in most dungeons i run, if i had a healer/tank with me we could 3 man it and in many cases that is essentially what happens.

The max time i spend in a dungeon is probably between 10-15 mins if even depending on the bosses.

So yes if you only do the dungeons it can seem like the game has losts its heart but in reality what has happened is people have it on farm and just expect to breeze through it half afk.

True on the above. Typically the early part of an expansion Dungeons provide some difficulty and there needs to be some communication and co-ordination. But as players start getting geared in raids, obviously this content will become easier.

Remember that Heroic dungeons are meant to be the first gearing step in order to get into raids. So raiders are typically in these in the early part of the expansion aswell. But once they start raiding, they will stop heroic dungeons. They get their weekly valor caps from raids, and simply put don't need to gear from there anymore.

So after the first tier is underway, typically the high quality players are gone from dungeons, and whats left are dungeon enthusiats, people getting caps who don't raid, or people gearing alts.

In terms of bursting through them, yeah, I think we take a few minutes to get through a heroic is looking to cap a friends valor, or ourselves. We are punching out 300+k DPS and its a walk in he park. I did a dungeon on my new main last night where four other players were heroic warforged, we finished the dungeon in about 5 minutes.

For dungeon enthusiasts they brought in challenge modes, which is good. I didn't partake in it much, but it is a popular function that people enjoyed running dungeons competitively.

LFR is definitely up there with one of the worst implementations ever in my view. Absolutely horrendous addition to the game, and making it a requirement in terms of the gearing steps was a rubbish call. As much as they say it wont be in WOD, we all know, that it will be to a large extent. Absolutely horrendous functionality I despise.

Imagine you are a developer, designer, artist who worked on the sunwell content for months, after which only 10 percent of the player base actually saw it. You might be happy with that as a player, i would be very unhappy with that situation, LFR isn't perfect, but flat out fact people weren't seeing the content before it was introduced.

MagicIRL wrote: »

LFR is a direct reason why dungeons are so easy now. Rather than gearing in heroics and then raiding, you just spam LFR, and once you've done that enough, you're flying through dungeons again. The time is takes to out gear the low content is way too fast. Instead of the occasional geared player joined a dungeon run, now everyone is overgeared.

I long for the days of using a mix of dungeons, rep and professions to get in tot he entry tier raid, and then clearing that enough times to be able to venture in to the next tier. This bull**** idea of just having everyone access everything is stupid. Free boosted 90s in 483 green items are able to get in tot he final tier.


I didn't even get to kill Illidan let alone Kil'Jaden in TBC, and I was happy with that.

Being fair though its not LFR, timeless isle gear can be gathered in half of the time and it is 496 ilvl.

Kiith wrote: »

Timeless Isle is mental. I went there with my new lvl90 Paladin, and got epic boots and legs from two random chests, and ilvl535 (or something crazy high) bracers from dying a few times on the giant bird. I didn't even know what i was going.

Yah it was setup as a catchup for alts and new folk . With 535 gear and valor upgrades you could gear main pieces o 552 ilvl.

There is a brilliant guide on MMO champion for timeless isle chests. Basically import some macros into an addon called TomTom, and you just follow the arrow to the chests.

Typically when I ding a fresh 90, 30 mins later its decked with plenty of epics.

On my old server, I've a bank bag full of timeless isle gear.

As said above it was brought in as a catchup mechanic for alts and while it was well intentioned, the playerbase on most servers look for 530ilvl before letting you near their flex raids (pugs in Trade of using oqueue) so you STILL need to go through LFR.

I'm doing it now at the moment, even though I'd be more then capable of going through flex with the gear I have, I'm forced in through completing it to hit a "checkpoint" that the playerbase manage.

Granted my new guild are oragnising some flex, normal and then heroic SOO runs before WoD, I don't like sitting idly around, and am still having to go through LFR.

TheDoc wrote: »

In fairness timeless isle only came in this patch cycle. The expansion had been out ages, and it was just a mechanism to help people gear up to the point they could go into current or last content, instead of having to go through Vaults and the likes on LFR.

Even then it's RNG, I've had two characters who got **** all form a chest run and I still had to go through the tiers on LFR

I think the issue was that people would make a toon and then dread the grind to getting to see the endgame content. So timeless isle is a blessing and a nightmare at the same time.

I quite liked it, it allowed me to get my paladin tank from doing heroics to doing LFR ToT in an hour. The ONLY issue i have with LFR is tactics, no one pays attaention 85% of the time.

MagicIRL wrote: »

It had to be done given the raid structure that Blizzard have now implemented. Back in the day, if you didn't have the gear for Black Temple, you stayed in SSC. Now, everyone farms everything as soon as LFR allows.

I think I preferred the gradual increase in raid content as opposed to having all dished out together to everyone. You really felt like you had achieved something with a guild if you were in another tier.

Absolutely, I lorded my ICC shoulders and Weapon in WOTLK when my guild was one of the first in. Pure bragging rights

Keifie wrote: »

I wish I had seen this thread before embarrassing myself with 15k dps in about 30 dungeon runs looking for upgrades of my green's.....

You're doing the Lord's work, my child.

Pro Tip: Spam the lower tier LFR raids for a great item drop rate. Although a lower ilevel, the 502 stuff will carry you through SoO and pretty much in to WoD.

Calhoun wrote: »

Much faster to spam timeless isle, the lower tied raids bar ToT are kinda usless and have long queue times as people only really queue for the legendary.

If your on a PVE realm or a pvp realm with a large population on your side you should have no excuses and you can get some nice goodies from doing it.

The only reason you would need to do the old raids is a weapon as there is no non raid weapons above 463.

It's like you didn't even read my post? it was the i502 I was talking about. Strange.

There is nothing worse than jumping in to LFR and having to carry people through it. I know you've been there and done that so many times, and the game lets you in regardless of ilevel, but it really can be infuriating. I had a Mage in LFR doing 40k DPS the other day. I do more in my off-spec wearing my Resto gear.

I think they're somewhat solving it in WoD though, as I think you need to complete the Proving Grounds: Silver before you can do the HC dungeons. Not too sure on LFR but I imagine if you can't do HCs you can't do LFR.

Oh boy did I get bored real quickly, i've tanked all the way through SoO in LFR. Now im trying to get into normal but no-one will take anyone below 550, and no one is running ToT in normal to help me out.



Mmmmmmmm stagnation.