Mustang 2015

Eric Cartman · 14-01-2015 12:20pm

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

In the small car category?

The user presenting that earlier made it out to be an overall win, not just in the small car category

Viper_JB · 14-01-2015 12:40pm

I love them to look at but drove a brand new V6 last summer in the states for two weeks, found it to be pretty sluggish, not very responsive and very spongy suspension, was happy to get back to my own car after. They sound and look the business, just don't go like it, although with the new suspension maybe the 2015 will be better, just don't seem to match up in technology with their Japanese and European rivals, but I guess this has pretty much always been the case with them though.

Jesus. · 14-01-2015 1:22pm

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

In the small car category?

Cleve, try and keep up

He said this: "Volkswagen Golf American car of the year 2015"

Cleveland Hot Pocket · 14-01-2015 1:25pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

golf won in the hatchback and small car category.

If you would like to scroll down to top ranked affordable sports cars here :

http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/

i think youll find the results are a little off.

Jesus. wrote: »

I thought it a bit strange that the Yanks would vote such a small car as car of the year

Jesus. wrote: »

Cleve, try and keep up

He said this: "Volkswagen Golf American car of the year 2015"

I am....:o

Jesus. · 14-01-2015 1:26pm

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

I am....:o

You're not! You ain't gone back far enough

Jesus. · 14-01-2015 1:27pm

Viper_JB wrote: »

was happy to get back to my own car after.

What's your car, Viper? Its not a Viper is it?

Viper_JB · 14-01-2015 3:24pm

Jesus. wrote: »

What's your car, Viper? Its not a Viper is it?

LOL it's like my dream car from a looks perspective but no, BMW 535.

SuperO'B · 18-01-2015 10:21pm

I also rented the V6 for 2 weeks last year and wasn't blown away by the engine. The reviews have the 2015 as quite an improvement though I still want one :-)

Cleveland Hot Pocket · 18-01-2015 10:34pm

Lads in most cases the v6 versions of US sedans are economy versions, used mostly by rental companies/fleets etc
Not many people in the US will drive diesel cars so they use v6 sedans, hybrids, etc as econocars.
You need to get the v8 versions for the proper experience.
It's like saying all bmw diesels are crap after driving only a 518d and not the 535d/m550d

Ardent · 18-01-2015 11:08pm

I don't have anything significant to add to the thread, but I love this car. I guess I always wanted one after seeing Bullitt.

About 4 years ago I booked one to drive from Vancouver to Seattle. Arrived 15 minutes late to pick it up, someone else snapped it up and I ended up with a Volvo. A big regret in my life.

You wouldn't say that about a VW Golf, would you?

Viper_JB · 19-01-2015 12:40pm

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

Lads in most cases the v6 versions of US sedans are economy versions, used mostly by rental companies/fleets etc
Not many people in the US will drive diesel cars so they use v6 sedans, hybrids, etc as econocars.
You need to get the v8 versions for the proper experience.
It's like saying all bmw diesels are crap after driving only a 518d and not the 535d/m550d

Big time the V6 is classed as the baby of the range the rental places don't seem to do anything much bigger then that though lots of convertibles though, guess it doesn't matter too much when you have like 10 kilometers of head room.

R.O.R · 19-01-2015 1:04pm

European Launch delayed until 20th Jan at the earliest, so still no news.

Hopefully something may be released on to Ford.ie tomorrow.

Cleveland Hot Pocket · 19-01-2015 1:09pm

Was checking the website there every couple of days but no updates as of yet
That explains it.

Brasso · 20-01-2015 5:32pm

http://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/ford/2015/01/20/ford-exports-global-mustang/22028403/
Some new about the Mustang officially going global, but I'm having problems loading up the Mustang section on ford.ie, anyone else able to check it?

Chris_Heilong · 20-01-2015 5:39pm

With the price of the GT86 being 40k here and that is considered a cheap car in other countries I would say this will cost around 46k.

R.O.R · 20-01-2015 5:40pm

Brasso wrote: »

http://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/ford/2015/01/20/ford-exports-global-mustang/22028403/
Some new about the Mustang officially going global, but I'm having problems loading up the Mustang section on ford.ie, anyone else able to check it?

Hanging on Ford.ie for me too, but it's up on .co.uk to configure.

Hopefully Ford.ie will be sorted soon.

Leonard Hofstadter · 20-01-2015 10:04pm

The one with the wrong engine is £28,995 in the UK. The one with an engine worthy of the Mustang badge is £32,995, so only £4,000 more for a proper 'stang. So I suppose in the Irish context with VRT and so on that probably puts the four cylinder model at early 50s territory in Ireland and around 60k for the V8. Wonder will the Irish cars get the 19" wheels and the Xenon lights and all the fancy stuff the UK cars are getting?

EazyD · 20-01-2015 10:16pm

captainspeed wrote: »

The one with the wrong engine is £28,995 in the UK. The one with an engine worthy of the Mustang badge is £32,995, so only £4,000 more for a proper 'stang. So I suppose in the Irish context with VRT and so on that probably puts the four cylinder model at early 50s territory in Ireland and around 60k for the V8. Wonder will the Irish cars get the 19" wheels and the Xenon lights and all the fancy stuff the UK cars are getting?

How is an engine that pushes out over 300hp wrong?(no doubt cylinder count:/) Sure it's a change from its heritage but it now becomes accessible to more people.

Chris_Heilong · 20-01-2015 10:23pm

There is some info on the uk pricing here: http://www.carthrottle.com/post/the-new-ford-mustang-will-be-a-uk-steal-at-well-under-30k/

Leonard Hofstadter · 20-01-2015 10:58pm

EazyD wrote: »

How is an engine that pushes out over 300hp wrong?(no doubt cylinder count:/) Sure it's a change from its heritage but it now becomes accessible to more people.

Well if you want a badge then yes it's more accessible. But if you want a car instead then it's totally and utterly wrong that the 'stang has a four cylinder engine as standard - and I don't care how many horsepowers are under the bonnet, wrong is wrong is wrong. I mean you might as well put a diesel in it as put a four cylinder into it.

The Mustang is an iconic car with tons and tons of pedigree - and the big bellowing V8 is part and parcel of what makes a Mustang a Mustang. It's an American car after all - the country that's the land of the V8. All the videos of that car in movies, they're all of the car with that thundering V8 under the bonnet.

And in an era of cheap oil, suddenly the four cylinder is looking rather redundant - well outside of Europe and our never ending obsession with CO2 in some theoretical laboratory test anyway.

TBi · 20-01-2015 11:09pm

captainspeed wrote: »

The Mustang is an iconic car with tons and tons of pedigree - and the big bellowing V8 is part and parcel of what makes a Mustang a Mustang. It's an American car after all - the country that's the land of the V8. All the videos of that car in movies, they're all of the car with that thundering V8 under the bonnet.

And in an era of cheap oil, suddenly the four cylinder is looking rather redundant - well outside of Europe and our never ending obsession with CO2 in some theoretical laboratory test anyway.

I agree with you up to a point. No point senselessly wasting petrol just because it's cheap and causing more harm to the environment. I'd love to see a 4 cylinder mustang with cross plane crank. That would give you the sound of a V8 but the frugality of a turbo 4. Would be an interesting combination.

Big Nasty · 20-01-2015 11:17pm

As much as I like 'Stangs and big V8's there is very much a place for the 4-pot. Back in '64 when the Mustang was launched the base model was a 100hp 6-pot so there's nothing wrong with the 300hp 4-pot. Let's not forget that the Mustang to America is what the Escort was to Europe - an every day affordable car.

TBi · 20-01-2015 11:18pm

Big Nasty wrote: »

Let's not forget that the Mustang to America is what the Escort was to Europe - an every day affordable car.

You sure you don't mean the Capri?

Leonard Hofstadter · 20-01-2015 11:24pm

TBi wrote: »

I agree with you up to a point. No point senselessly wasting petrol just because it's cheap and causing more harm to the environment. I'd love to see a 4 cylinder mustang with cross plane crank. That would give you the sound of a V8 but the frugality of a turbo 4. Would be an interesting combination.

The cross plane is a necessity because as they said in the Argentinian special on TG recently, a V8 is imperfect. Either a cross plane or a flat plane (as in a Ferrari or a V8 Lotus Esprit) makes them run smooth enough. Closest thing a four cylinder could do to sound like a V8 is be a flat four like a Subaru but have the old design of manifold to give it the burble (where the exhaust ports on either side merge into one) of a cross plane V8 - but flat fours are mega expensive and they still won't sound like a V8 (apart from the burble).

I agree with you on fuel economy in the sense that there's no point in unnecessarily wasting fuel and clearly we don't want to go back to the days when V8s were pushrod engines with about 200 bhp from even as large as a 5.0 litre engine but equally V8s sound fantastic and are very much a part of the Mustang's pedigree and charm.

The other thing is, that despite the fact that the Ecoboost has all that technology and the V8 is quite antiquated - no direct injection, turbo etc, when some of the magazines tested it they got less than 5 mpg more out of it - which isn't a lot at all considering all the extra power and how much bigger and less sophisticated the V8 engine is.

A lot of these smaller engines are great for getting around the EU tests but aren't really any better in the real world. I notice when one looks at say the US fuel economy tests (which are representative of real world driving) the gap between a four cylinder engine and a six cylinder engine in the exact same make and model of car might only be 1 or 2 (US) mpg. But over here people think you're mad for going for the larger engined car because it will supposedly be all that much worse on fuel.

Henry Ford III · 20-01-2015 11:25pm

V8 purists

The 2.3T Ecoboost is a good engine regardless of what body it's in.

I'm looking forwaqrd to seeing it in A Focus RS with 4wd and 350+bhp.

Big Nasty · 20-01-2015 11:28pm

TBi wrote: »

You sure you don't mean the Capri?

The Capri was considered the European Mustang because it was a fastback sporty looking car. In reality the Stang was and still is as ordinary in the US as an Escort or a Focus in today's money.

Now of course you have performance Stangs like the GT350 / 500 or the Boss 302 / 429. It's European equivalent would have been an XR3i or a Focus ST now.

TBi · 20-01-2015 11:52pm

captainspeed wrote: »

Closest thing a four cylinder could do to sound like a V8 is be a flat four like a Subaru but have the old design of manifold to give it the burble (where the exhaust ports on either side merge into one) of a cross plane V8 - but flat fours are mega expensive and they still won't sound like a V8 (apart from the burble).

Yamaha released an R1 with a cross plane crank in a straight 4. Sounds fantastic. Look for it on YouTube.

noelf · 21-01-2015 6:03am

From Autocar .. Mustang priced from £28995 available to order now convertible and fastback versions 6 speed auto and manual gearboxes . 2.3 has 310 bhp 0 to 60 in 5.5 seconds .. 5.0 v8 has 412 bhp 0 to 60 in 4.5 seconds within 18 months v8 will be upgraded to 500 bhp first deliveries will be in the autumn ..

bear1 · 21-01-2015 11:19am

captainspeed wrote: »

Well if you want a badge then yes it's more accessible. But if you want a car instead then it's totally and utterly wrong that the 'stang has a four cylinder engine as standard - and I don't care how many horsepowers are under the bonnet, wrong is wrong is wrong. I mean you might as well put a diesel in it as put a four cylinder into it.

The Mustang is an iconic car with tons and tons of pedigree - and the big bellowing V8 is part and parcel of what makes a Mustang a Mustang. It's an American car after all - the country that's the land of the V8. All the videos of that car in movies, they're all of the car with that thundering V8 under the bonnet.

And in an era of cheap oil, suddenly the four cylinder is looking rather redundant - well outside of Europe and our never ending obsession with CO2 in some theoretical laboratory test anyway.

You need to realise that the V8 was made in a country with relatively cheap fuel?
The V8 may not sell as well in Europe as it will in the States just like a 1.2 Punto will sell well in Europe but badly in the US.
5.5 seconds to 100 is impressive in my opinion.
It is also not an era of cheap oil, yes for the past few months oil prices have come down but is petrol at year 2000 levels? No.
It's the government which is stopping this sort of car from being an appealing purchase. VRT and high fuel tax won't make it a seller here.
If we had at least fuel at 70c a litre then I think the V8 would be a good contender.
But.... we are forgetting road tax.
Ireland in general is not a motoring country (IMO) - the costs of anything remotely fun are too high.
If I had the money though I'd gladly get the 2.3 no matter how wrong it is.

RedorDead · 21-01-2015 11:25am

From todays Irish Times Motoring Section

Ford has announced a UK price for the Mustang coupe which suggests that Irish models will be fighting right in the heart of the premium (largely German) coupe segment. The UK starting price of £28,995 for the 314hp 2.3-litre EcoBoost version would indicate that the Irish basic price should be in the region of €45,000 – that would put it soak up against the likes of the the Audi A5 and BMW 4 Series. Those cars can only offer a 2.0-litre diesel engine for that price though, with a power output of around 180hp and while those cars carry obvious tax advantages, they may not have the star power of the Mustang.

The Mustang will also be pretty well equipped compared to its German rivals. As standard it will have 19-inch wheels, a performance brake package, automatic HID xenon headlamps, LED tail lamps, and a rear diffuser. Further standard equipment includes dual-zone climate control, a nine-speaker sound system, and Ford’s SYNC 2 voice controlled infotainment system with an eight-inch colour touch screen.

“There’s never been a better time to introduce this iconic car across Europe. All-new Ford Mustang is the most modern, technologically advanced and forward-looking Mustang in the amazing history of the marque,” said Roelant de Waard, vice president, Marketing, Sales & Service, Ford of Europe. “Being able to specify a Mustang that reflects your individual character has always been a key part of the model’s appeal. With our new app, customers will be able to see exactly how the all-new Mustang could look outside their house, and as a part of their life.”

Ford says that the first 500 Mustangs offered to European customers as part of a promotional tie-in with the UEFA Champions’ League final in 2014 were snapped up in just 30 seconds, with almost 10,000 people trying to get them. One Mustang has already received a firm order in Ireland, but Ford Ireland expects to do considerably better than that once the car physically arrives here in the summer. Perhaps petrol prices have fallen at just the right time?

Wonder what Irish equipment and pricing will look like?

Mustang 2015

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