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Sunday Times Poll 18 Nov

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  • #2
    Sierra Oscar
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,458 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    Tomorrows Sunday Times Poll is carrying the following opinion poll data from Behaviour & Attitudes.

    FG - 30% (-1%)
    FF - 22% (+6%)
    SF - 14% (-4%)
    Lab - 12% (-2%)
    Ind - 19% (NC)
    Greens - 2% (NC)

    Micheál Martin is also the most popular leader in the Dáil, with his approval rating being at 42%. Fianna Fáil will be happy with this poll, seems to give some merit to the previous opinion polls which showed an increase in popularity.

    Boost for Fianna Fáil and Martin in new opinion poll


  • #3
    Death and Taxes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Death and Taxes


    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    Tomorrows Sunday Times Poll is carrying the following opinion poll data from Behaviour & Attitudes.

    FG - 30% (-1%)
    FF - 22% (+6%)
    SF - 14% (-4%)
    Lab - 12% (-2%)
    Ind - 19% (NC)
    Greens - 2% (NC)

    Micheál Martin is also the most popular leader in the Dáil, with his approval rating being at 42%. Fianna Fáil will be happy with this poll, seems to give some merit to the previous opinion polls which showed an increase in popularity.
    Good to see the Shinners and the stickies both losing ground, but would be worried that FF have 22% and that MM is so popular.


  • #4
    Mr.Micro
    Registered Users Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭Mr.Micro


    hallelujajordan wrote: »
    Latest poll, to be published tomorrow showing sustained recovery for Fianna Fail, now comfortably second most popular party in the country. Labour slide continues . .

    Micheal Martin now most popular party leader.

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/boost-for-fianna-fail-and-martin-in-new-opinion-poll-574589.html

    I am sure Martin will be very surprised at that. Sure he thinks to himself "I have done nothing":D


  • #5
    Sunnyisland
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    Not big surprise to me,Cant blame the Politicians its us the people who vote them in,You reap what you sow,I foresee when the next general election come s around it shall be between FF & FG, Nothing changes if nothing changes.


  • #6
    Sierra Oscar
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    Some good news within the polling for MM, showing that his popularity is rising significantly amongst females and urban dwellers - areas in which FF are weak in terms of representation at the moment.
    Meanwhile, Micheál Martin’s improved fortunes in the personal popularity stakes are evident across all key socio demographic groupings, albeit with the most significant increases registering amongst females, urban dwellers and, encouragingly from his own longer term perspective as leader of the party, by a full 11 percentage points amongst Fianna Fáil supporters.

    The party is also significantly increasing support amongst the younger sections of the electorate, building on the findings of other opinion polls.
    Other encouraging signs for Fianna Fáil include the fact that its support levels now stand at 26% amongst 18-34 year olds; just five points behind Fine Gael within this age bracket.

    Dublin support also seems to be on the rise seemingly.
    The party is also in second place in Dublin on 21% of the vote

    http://www.banda.ie/assets/files/pdf/Sunday%20Times%20November%20full%20report.pdf


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  • #7
    Dirk Gently
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    looks like the FF strategy of "Let's go to the Winchester, have a pint, and wait for this to blow over" is predictably paying dividends.
    Disappointed to see them gain ground in Dublin, I was genuinely proud that the capital was FF free.


  • #8
    nuac
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,769 Mod ✭✭✭✭nuac


    Dirk Gently wrote: »
    looks like the FF strategy of "Let's go to the Winchester, have a pint, and wait for this to blow over" is predictably paying dividends.
    Disappointed to see them gain ground in Dublin, I was genuinely proud that the capital was FF free.

    Winchester? Name of a rifle? Surely that is a SF option.?


  • #9
    nuac
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,769 Mod ✭✭✭✭nuac


    As times are likely to be even tougher, it seems voters are staying with FG and moving to FF.

    Labours ardent protection of the PS does not seem to be paying off for them.


  • #10
    Dirk Gently
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,784 ✭✭✭Dirk Gently


    nuac wrote: »
    Winchester? Name of a rifle? Surely that is a SF option.?

    also the name of a pub so clearly a publican party option.


  • #11
    3ndahalfof6
    Registered Users Posts: 5,184 ✭✭✭3ndahalfof6


    What does it matter the damage is done, but it does show the Irish for the fools they are, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.


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  • #12
    raymon
    Registered Users Posts: 2,774 ✭✭✭raymon


    This is a very sad state of affairs for Ireland that any person would vote for the party that bankrupted us and gave away our sovereignty.


  • #13
    Brussels Sprout
    Registered Users Posts: 6,466 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    They should really have a "None of the Above" option for these polls. Fianna Fail are benefiting from an anti-government backlash as much as the coalition parties benefited from an anti-FF backlash in the last election.

    The really depressing part of this is that it's not just coffin dodgers that are supporting FF. Who the hell are these 26% of 18-34 year olds!


  • #14
    juuge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 792 ✭✭✭juuge


    I've been living abroad for the past couple of years as a direct result of the economic collapse of our country. Just back a couple of days and I now read this...jaysus!! I cannot believe there is still support for FF amongst the electorate and an increase in support just adds insult to injury. I won't be hanging around for much longer, with this and the tragedy in Galway University Hospital I've never been less proud in being Irish.:(


  • #15
    thebman
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    It just shows a lack of alternatives IMO.

    Public getting sick of pseudo political reform too.


  • #16
    Sierra Oscar
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    thebman wrote: »
    It just shows a lack of alternatives IMO.

    It shows that the public are welcoming the constructive, yet pragmatic, opposition offered by Fianna Fáil. The electorate are not interested in those political parties which attempt to be against everything and for nothing.


  • #17
    DrumSteve
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    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    It shows that the public are welcoming the constructive, yet pragmatic, opposition offered by Fianna Fáil. The electorate are not interested in those political parties which attempt to be against everything and for nothing.

    You've just described FF there.


  • #18
    raymon
    Registered Users Posts: 2,774 ✭✭✭raymon


    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    It shows that the public are welcoming the constructive, yet pragmatic, opposition offered by Fianna Fáil. The electorate are not interested in those political parties which attempt to be against everything and for nothing.

    Not true...... bankrupting the country and beating up the people fixing it is not constructive or pragmatic. Fianna Fail's opposition tactics disgust me


  • #19
    thebman
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    Why isn't it a red c poll?

    Never heard of Behaviour and Attitudes doing political polls before.

    Why are we not seeing red c polls recently? Last one according to Red C's website was October 29th, 2012 which is a long time ago.


  • #20
    Callan57
    Registered Users Posts: 4,160 ✭✭✭Callan57


    raymon wrote: »
    Not true...... bankrupting the country and beating up the people fixing it is not constructive or pragmatic. Fianna Fail's opposition tactics disgust me

    It is bizzare that people would go back to supporting FF .... to give them an opportunity to do it all again. And believe me they will do it again given a chance. :eek:


  • #21
    Green Diesel
    Registered Users Posts: 420 ✭✭Green Diesel


    thebman wrote: »
    Never heard of Behaviour and Attitudes doing political polls before.

    http://www.banda.ie/political-social.html


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  • #22
    nuac
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,769 Mod ✭✭✭✭nuac


    Red C usually publish polls at end of each month


  • #23
    Tea drinker
    Registered Users Posts: 2,818 ✭✭✭Tea drinker


    Dirk Gently wrote: »
    looks like the FF strategy of "Let's go to the Winchester, have a pint, and wait for this to blow over" is predictably paying dividends.
    Disappointed to see them gain ground in Dublin, I was genuinely proud that the capital was FF free.
    Why would you think that Dub was FFFree? Bertie was Saint Local Boy, and sure a whole heap of people would still vote for FF if they were killing babies on O'Connel street, sure spose they have to stick to their principles.
    The one good thing about SF is they are sufficiently wacko to do unpredictable good things in opposition. Look at how they torpedoed Sean Gallagher.
    Having FF in opposition is totally useless, that party is spent as a representaive of the people. You might as well a bunch of talking toys from Hamleys in the "dail". They have far less credibility than SF, having ACTUALLY bankrupt the country.
    juuge wrote: »
    I've been living abroad for the past couple of years as a direct result of the economic collapse of our country. Just back a couple of days and I now read this...jaysus!! I cannot believe there is still support for FF amongst the electorate and an increase in support just adds insult to injury. I won't be hanging around for much longer, with this and the tragedy in Galway University Hospital I've never been less proud in being Irish.

    You shouldn't feel shame in things you didn't take part in , no more than you should feel pride. Nationalism has to be based on what you have at least expressed an opinion on publicly or in vote, better is what what you actually do.


  • #24
    Mr.Micro
    Registered Users Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭Mr.Micro


    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    It shows that the public are welcoming the constructive, yet pragmatic, opposition offered by Fianna Fáil. The electorate are not interested in those political parties which attempt to be against everything and for nothing.

    I would not read too much into it. Support for FG is still solid, and that is the crux of the matter. FF appear to have gained from SF and Labour, so the shift for some voters is SF to FF? As a result of the murder of the prison officer, support for SF may be down, as many will associate any IRA with SF, hence the shift to FF, which will be short lived, IMO. People are obviously feeling better now that some are prepared to risk all again on incompetents who have done nothing constructive to sort the problems they created, other than criticize.


  • #25
    Dirk Gently
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,784 ✭✭✭Dirk Gently


    Tea drinker wrote: »
    Why would you think that Dub was FFFree? .
    because Dublin returned no FF TD's with the exception of the late Brian Lenihan whose seat was eventually taken by Patrick Nulty in a by-election. The current FF TD count for Dublin is zero.


  • #26
    gaffer91
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    Delighted to see SF support fall, long may it continue.

    Not sure what FF have done to merit an increase in support however. They are the best in opposition but that is really not saying much, and they also landed the country in this economic crisis in the first place. Perhaps an infusion of young blood untainted by the 1997-2011 years, and a dose of social liberalism would result in the party carving out a more deserved niche in the political system.


  • #27
    Gee Bag
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    That Fianna Fail have 22% support is mind boggling.

    I'd like to see a breakdown of the age groups they are getting their support from. I'm presuming it is from older voters.


  • #28
    Sierra Oscar
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    Gee Bag wrote: »
    That Fianna Fail have 22% support is mind boggling.

    I'd like to see a breakdown of the age groups they are getting their support from. I'm presuming it is from older voters.

    The rise in support is actually due to female voters shifting to FF, alongside a large jump in support between the 18 - 34 age group (support is at 26% there).
    thebman wrote: »
    Why isn't it a red c poll?

    Never heard of Behaviour and Attitudes doing political polls before.

    Why are we not seeing red c polls recently? Last one according to Red C's website was October 29th, 2012 which is a long time ago.

    B&A have been doing political opinion polls for a few years now. RedC do one for the last Sunday of every month. We should have a RedC this day two weeks, so it will be interesting to see if the trend continues.


  • #29
    COYW
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    raymon wrote: »
    This is a very sad state of affairs for Ireland that any person would vote for the party that bankrupted us and gave away our sovereignty.

    What other option is there, in reality? You have FG, Labour or FF to vote for as a governing party. The others offer bugger all when you sit back from the sensationalist politicking and take a cold hard look at them. The fact that no other political movement can manage to harness the anger out there among voters, and turn that into political gain is just as bad as people switching back to FF. It shows how horribly unbalanced Irish politics is to the left and how short changed we the public are from the €90K plus expenses that our politicians "earn".

    I posted that FF will be pretty close to FG in terms seats by the next general election, when people were celebrating the death of FF during the last election. The make-up of the next government will be very interesting. It will be some gathering of nonsense with FF or FG with what is left of Labour, a few Green party people who will probably get seats in place of Labour casualties, and the rest will be independents.

    Before anyone posts it, neither FF nor FG will enter into government with SF. Not for another generation or two at least. That would lose them more votes than any austerity policy.


  • #30
    Death and Taxes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Death and Taxes


    COYW wrote: »
    What other option is there, in reality? You have FG, Labour or FF to vote for. The others offer bugger all when you sit back from the sensationalist politicking and take a cold hard look at them. The fact that no other political movement can manage to harness the anger out there among voters, and turn that into political gain is just as bad as people switching back to FF. It shows how horribly unbalanced Irish politics is to the left and how short changed we the public are from the €90K plus expenses that our politicians "earn".

    I posted that FF will be pretty close to FG in terms seats by the next general election, when people were celebrating the death of FF during the last election. The make-up of the next Dail will be very interesting. It will be some gathering of nonsense with FF or FG with what is left of Labour, a few Green party people who will probably get seats in place of Labour casualties, and the rest will be independents.
    You are seriously suggesting that there will be no SF members of the next Dail, none?
    Much as I despise them even I dont see that happening!


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  • #31
    3ndahalfof6
    Registered Users Posts: 5,184 ✭✭✭3ndahalfof6


    COYW wrote: »
    What other option is there, in reality? You have FG, Labour or FF to vote for. The others offer bugger all when you sit back from the sensationalist politicking and take a cold hard look at them. The fact that no other political movement can manage to harness the anger out there among voters, and turn that into political gain is just as bad as people switching back to FF. It shows how horribly unbalanced Irish politics is to the left and how short changed we the public are from the €90K plus expenses that our politicians "earn".

    I posted that FF will be pretty close to FG in terms seats by the next general election, when people were celebrating the death of FF during the last election. The make-up of the next Dail will be very interesting. It will be some gathering of nonsense with FF or FG with what is left of Labour, a few Green party people who will probably get seats in place of Labour casualties, and the rest will be independents.

    I will just say, you mention the others have bugger all to offer, the main three parties you purpose also have bugger all to offer, they actually seem to be the kings of bugger all to offer,

    but as you say the people do not help themselves, while it would be better for a one party rule, the things that are wrong at the moment might have a better chance of being righted (which I don't think will happen no matter who rules) if it is a mishmash, it might keep those with the majority on their toes.


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