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Household Charge Mega-Thread [Part 2] *Poll Reset*

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    #1082
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Ghandee wrote: »
    I think Hogan should resign.

    Whether or not he believes he should or should not doesn't matter, force him to resign.
    His actions, and revelations are giving FG an extremely bad look IMO.

    I hope someone investigates his penthouse in Portugal.
    Does he rent it out?
    Does he accept payment from family members etc?
    It should be declared if he does.


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    #1083
    Royal Legend
    Registered Users Posts: 2,654 ✭✭✭Royal Legend


    Ghandee wrote: »
    I think Hogan should resign.

    Whether or not he believes he should or should not doesn't matter, force him to resign.
    His actions, and revelations are giving FG an extremely bad look IMO.


    A bad look, what? Lying, hypocritical, and as far removed from everyday reality as is possible. Sure they have been that way since before they got into government


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    #1084
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Royal Legend wrote: »
    A bad look, what? Lying, hypocritical, and as far removed from everyday reality as is possible. Sure they have been that way since before they got into government

    Might as well be Fianna Fail.....


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    #1085
    Bishop_Donal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 615 ✭✭✭Bishop_Donal


    I wonder what the correlation between the Household charge and the Fiscal Compact Treaty is?

    I presume the Pay the charge people are generally the Vote Yes people, and the Don't register, Don't pay crowd are also the Vote No people?

    The outcome of the household charge bodes well for the government if my analysis is correct (on the basis of my purely personal view that we are headed for at least 70% compliance on the HH charge before any enforcement really kicks in).


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    #1086
    Royal Legend
    Registered Users Posts: 2,654 ✭✭✭Royal Legend


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    Might as well be Fianna Fail.....

    they might as well be, thats the problem, they are more interested in patting each other on the back over the weekend, then solving the problems of the country.

    Just in case you think I am of a politcal persuasion, my answer to the problems we have at present is a National Government, made up of the best of all parties and independents elected to the dail, to work together, rather than more of the civil war politics we continue to see,


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    #1087
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 20,484 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    I was aware of the legal requirement on solicitors to ensure that the charge is paid when conveyancing property but it seems this also extends to auctioneers and estate agents accepting properties for sale. From my reading of it they would have to have proof that the property was in compliance before accepting it on their books.

    http://www.landlordsonline.ie/2012/03/agents-could-face-prosecution-if-their-clients-fail-to-pay-the-household-nppr-charges/


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    #1088
    Le_Dieux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,473 ✭✭✭Le_Dieux


    alastair wrote: »
    I really don't care how embarrassed Phil Hogan might or might not be. Nor do I care about your sockpuppet paranoia, or leech nonsense. That help?

    Well let me tell YOU mister, I DO care. No bastard is going to go on tv and tell me I'm unpatriotic because I ddint' pay this charge, and then next morning, we discover he's doing the exact same thing himself in another country.


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    #1089
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    Bishop_Donal wrote: »
    I wonder what the correlation between the Household charge and the Fiscal Compact Treaty is?

    I presume the Pay the charge people are generally the Vote Yes people, and the Don't register, Don't pay crowd are also the Vote No people?

    The outcome of the household charge bodes well for the government if my analysis is correct (on the basis of my purely personal view that we are headed for at least 70% compliance on the HH charge before any enforcement really kicks in).

    If your analysis is correct, then maybe. But with the property charge, people were in many cases, likely scared into paying. They probably wouldnt feel as bullied into voting yes.


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    #1090
    Bishop_Donal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 615 ✭✭✭Bishop_Donal


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    I was aware of the legal requirement on solicitors to ensure that the charge is paid when conveyancing property but it seems this also extends to auctioneers and estate agents accepting properties for sale. From my reading of it they would have to have proof that the property was in compliance before accepting it on their books.

    http://www.landlordsonline.ie/2012/03/agents-could-face-prosecution-if-their-clients-fail-to-pay-the-household-nppr-charges/

    Proper order.

    It's a mere Eur111 (now) that has to be paid, which is a fraction of the likely professional costs. It is totally appropriate that it should be brought up to date before any transaction takes place on the property of a defaulter.


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    #1091
    Bishop_Donal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 615 ✭✭✭Bishop_Donal


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    If your analysis is correct, then maybe. But with the property charge, people were in many cases, likely scared into paying. They probably wouldnt feel as bullied into voting yes.

    No so sure. I'd say some were more bullied into not paying. The No campaign are generally more vocal on these matters (indeed this forum itself is a good example).


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    #1092
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 20,484 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    If your analysis is correct, then maybe. But with the property charge, people were in many cases, likely scared into paying. They probably wouldnt feel as bullied into voting yes.

    I don't know anyone who was scared into paying.


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    #1093
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,419 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    Anyone watching The Week in Politics? Enda Kenny is on now.


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    #1094
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,485 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Bishop_Donal wrote: »
    I wonder what the correlation between the Household charge and the Fiscal Compact Treaty is?

    I presume the Pay the charge people are generally the Vote Yes people, and the Don't register, Don't pay crowd are also the Vote No people?

    The outcome of the household charge bodes well for the government if my analysis is correct (on the basis of my purely personal view that we are headed for at least 70% compliance on the HH charge before any enforcement really kicks in).

    The Govt might just have angered a lot of people particularly the elderly with their scare tactics. Many of them paid the Household Tax through fear and might be waiting in the long grass come Referendum time. It might excite a lot of people to see Enda do the "walk of shame" back to apologise to Angela and promise her Referendum Two. Would take the cockiness out of him.
    Never count your chickens.


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    #1095
    Le_Dieux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,473 ✭✭✭Le_Dieux


    hondasam wrote: »
    http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=household%20charge%20statute&source=web&cd=5&sqi=2&ved=0CFMQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishstatutebook.ie%2F2012%2Fen%2Fsi%2F0001.html&ei=rsx4T-2IMoHRhAekhKi7DQ&usg=AFQjCNExbDM3ohU_29PUqG9vVlO_WG1toA

    No disrespect HondaSam

    This site lists every estate thats exempt. I am wondering what concessions You got from what LA as we wish to use it as ammunition in our battle with KCC/DOE.

    Thanks


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    #1096
    Bullseye1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    hondasam wrote: »
    Anyone watching The Week in Politics? Enda Kenny is on now.

    He looks very uncomportable. And totally avoided the point that the fair and equitable property tax is going to be substantially higher than €100.


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    #1097
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,485 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    I don't know anyone who was scared into paying.

    I know loads who paid through fear.


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    #1098
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 20,484 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    tayto lover wrote: »
    The Govt might just have angered a lot of people particularly the elderly with their scare tactics. Many of them paid the Household Tax through fear and might be waiting in the long grass come Referendum time. It might excite a lot of people to see Enda do the "walk of shame" back to apologise to Angela and promise her Referendum Two. Would take the cockiness out of him.
    Never count your chickens.

    What scare tactics and why the elderly particularly?


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    #1099
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    Bishop_Donal wrote: »
    No so sure. I'd say some were more bullied into not paying. The No campaign are generally more vocal on these matters (indeed this forum itself is a good example).

    Well if 800,000 paid as an example, its unlikely that would be made up from 800,000 yes to the property tax people. I am sure many paid but felt strongly that it was an unfair charge.

    Its hard to see someone that said no to paying it and didnt pay, then voting yes i should of paid it (taking your analysis of yes to HC = yes to treaty), but was bullied into not paying it, the bullying method being led to believe that the charges will be much higher in future years.

    Its hard to know though.


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    #1100
    Bishop_Donal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 615 ✭✭✭Bishop_Donal


    tayto lover wrote: »
    The Govt might just have angered a lot of people particularly the elderly with their scare tactics. Many of them paid the Household Tax through fear and might be waiting in the long grass come Referendum time. It might excite a lot of people to see Enda do the "walk of shame" back to apologise to Angela and promise her Referendum Two. Would take the cockiness out of him.
    Never count your chickens.

    Mark me down on this one. The Irish are brighter than you are giving them credit for. They will not bite the hand that feeds them. I'll guarantee you that the Fiscal Compact carries at least 60:40 (and maybe more). It's home and dry, & for once in my life I'll absolutely count my chickens.

    I'm deliberately sticking my neck out on this so that you can come back to compliment my on the night of the count.

    This country is turning a corner. The broadening of the tax base that we have seen this weekend is a really positive development and really gives hope that we can function as a sovereign nation once more.


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    #1101
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,485 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    What scare tactics and why the elderly particularly?

    Had you watched News items you would have seen many elderly people who said they paid because they were afraid of fines etc. Loads of callers to Phone Ins too.


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    #1102
    Bullseye1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    What scare tactics and why the elderly particularly?

    The older people are in general more nervous of owing money. A representative from the Citizens Information Centre was on the radio talking about he elderly population ringing them in great numbers who are very concerned. She stated that many of them are in credit with the likes of ESB and Bord Gaie etc.


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    #1103
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,419 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    tayto lover wrote: »
    The Govt might just have angered a lot of people particularly the elderly with their scare tactics. Many of them paid the Household Tax through fear and might be waiting in the long grass come Referendum time. It might excite a lot of people to see Enda do the "walk of shame" back to apologise to Angela and promise her Referendum Two. Would take the cockiness out of him.
    Never count your chickens.

    If I have to call it now, I would say the majority will vote yes. People will say they will not but on the day they will run scared and vote yes.


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    #1104
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,485 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Bishop_Donal wrote: »
    Mark me down on this one. The Irish are brighter than you are giving them credit for. They will not bite the hand that feeds them. I'll guarantee you that the Fiscal Compact carries at least 60:40 (and maybe more). It's home and dry, & for once in my life I'll absolutely count my chickens.

    I'm deliberately sticking my neck out on this so that you can come back to compliment my on the night of the count.

    This country is turning a corner. The broadening of the tax base that we have seen this weekend is a really positive development and really gives hope that we can function as a sovereign nation once more.

    You should give Paddy Power a visit so.
    I am not saying you are wrong either but we have a habit of voting No in Referendums first time, that's why i'm not ruling it out. That and the anger factor.


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    #1105
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,485 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Jaysus whoever put on Enda's face paint made a right balls of it.


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    #1106
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    I don't know anyone who was scared into paying.

    With the amount of revenue.ie links you posted on here, I find that very hard to believe.


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    #1107
    Bishop_Donal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 615 ✭✭✭Bishop_Donal


    tayto lover wrote: »
    You should give Paddy Power a visit so.
    I am not saying you are wrong either but we have a habit of voting No in Referendums first time, that's why i'm not ruling it out. That and the anger factor.

    I think yes is 3 to 1 on?


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    #1108
    alfa beta
    Registered Users Posts: 763 ✭✭✭alfa beta


    I was just wondering...

    when a 'fair and equitable' version of this tax is introduced next year - one which is high for big expensive houses and low for small cheap houses then what will the left have to complain about...

    ...because, lets face it, they'll have to complain about something...

    I'm looking forward to that debate already...


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    #1109
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,419 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    I don't think the size of your house should matter.


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    #1110
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    tayto lover wrote: »
    You should give Paddy Power a visit so.
    I am not saying you are wrong either but we have a habit of voting No in Referendums first time, that's why i'm not ruling it out. That and the anger factor.

    And then a second referendum is held if the first one is not the answer that was wanted, in our democracy.


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    #1111
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,568 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Bullseye1 wrote: »
    He looks very uncomportable. And totally avoided the point that the fair and equitable property tax is going to be substantially higher than €100.

    By all accounts so far, the lowest quote I've seen so far, is around €400+ it will rise to.
    Some have said higher but we will have to wait and see...

    (If FG and labour is still in power by the time much higher rates kick in)


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