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Sleep walking in to a European super state

  • 26-08-2014 6:13am
    #1
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,434 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    So you may not have noticed yet but during the economic crisis the EU happily took on big new powers. The ECB will now regulate our banks (not a bad thing some will say) and Euro bonds are on the way. That means we can not borrow our own money. An independent state should surely be borrowing on it's own terms?

    All pretence of independence is surely in shreds?

    I think one morning in the not too distant future Irish people will wake up and it will suddenly dawn on them - the capital is Brussels not Dublin. It's a creeping certainty.

    I don't recall voting for this.


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  • #2
    Lapin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,184 ✭✭✭✭Lapin


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    So you may not have noticed yet but during the economic crisis the EU happily took on big new powers. The ECB will now regulate our banks (not a bad thing some will say) and Euro bonds are on the way. That means we can not borrow our own money. An independent state should surely be borrowing on it's own terms?

    All pretence of independence is surely in shreds?

    I think one morning in the not too distant future Irish people will wake up and it will suddenly dawn on them - the capital is Brussels not Dublin. It's a creeping certainty.

    I don't recall voting for this.

    Nice? Lisbon?


    We didn't sleepwalk into this at all.

    We voted against it. And were then bullied into voting for it - Twice.

    A lot of it had something to do with the Yes campaigns telling the gullable that all their sons would be fighting in Iraq and all their daughters would be having abortions every week if they voted no.


  • #3
    Jayden Loose Tweet
    Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ Jayden Loose Tweet


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    That means we can not borrow our own money.

    When I borrow money it tends not to be my own.


  • #4
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,434 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Deleted User wrote: »
    When I borrow money it tends not to be my own.

    I mean this country can not borrow. I phrased it wrong.


  • #5
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    Does this mean I will soon be able to buy 6 x bottles of beer at German Lidl prices (2.29) instead of Lidl Ireland price, 7.29?

    The VFI won't be long putting an end to a superstate then. ;)


  • #6
    anncoates
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭anncoates


    Next hear all true Gaels will be forced to adopt Morris Dancing and soccer.


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  • #7
    renegademaster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭renegademaster


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    So you may not have noticed yet but during the economic crisis the EU happily took on big new powers. The ECB will now regulate our banks (not a bad thing some will say) and Euro bonds are on the way. That means we can not borrow our own money. An independent state should surely be borrowing on it's own terms?

    All pretence of independence is surely in shreds?

    I think one morning in the not too distant future Irish people will wake up and it will suddenly dawn on them - the capital is Brussels not Dublin. It's a creeping certainty.

    I don't recall voting for this.

    some of us have been waiting years for this to happen, dont hold your breath op, it will literally take the sound of jack boots outside their doors for Irish majority to wake up and by then it's too late :(


  • #8
    fedor.2.
    Registered Users Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    Good, I like to consider myself more European than irish anyway


  • #9
    Tail Docker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    Good, I like to consider myself more European than irish anyway

    You fire ahead with that. I'll hang back here, if it goes tits up at least you'll have somewhere to come back to.


  • #10
    fedor.2.
    Registered Users Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    Tail Docker wrote: »
    You fire ahead with that. I'll hang back here, if it goes tits up at least you'll have somewhere to come back to.


    There would be nothing but a bog to come back to if it wasn't for funding from Europe


  • #11
    Badly Drunk Boy
    Registered Users Posts: 6,432 ✭✭✭Badly Drunk Boy


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    Good, I like to consider myself more European than irish anyway

    Spoken like a true rebel Corkonian... ;)


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  • #12
    danniemcq
    Registered Users Posts: 14,163 ✭✭✭✭danniemcq


    MOD

    Moved from After Hours. Please read the charter before posting if you followed the redirect.


  • #13
    Tail Docker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    There would be nothing but a bog to come back to if it wasn't for funding from Europe

    Maybe I like bog..also this got moved, so I'm out. Politics doesn't like my brand of intellectual discourse.


  • #14
    DeadHand
    Registered Users Posts: 2,712 ✭✭✭DeadHand


    Don't worry you'll have a chance to vote against this in a referendum...

    ... Which will be rerun until our European overlords get the right answer. And the EU has the blatant hypocrisy to condemn the Crimean referendum as rigged. What makes them any better?

    The EU will eventually bring about the death of European culture as we know it through it's ruinous policies of untramelled immigration and adherence to the failed dogma of multi-culturalism. The self loating, culturally defeatist attitudes that now sees thousands of born Europeans carving their murderous "Islamic State" in the deserts of Iraq and Syria.

    I doubt they'll leave their idealology there when they return home.


  • #15
    Oafley Jones
    Registered Users Posts: 6,459 ✭✭✭Oafley Jones


    I love how these sort of threads are pitched on after hours because the OP knows they won't stand up to the scrutiny of one of the Politics forums. Also, people talking about being bullied into changing votes... What happened? What terrible pressure did you feel that made you vote the other way.


  • #16
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,791 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    Lapin wrote: »
    We voted against it. And were then bullied into voting for it - Twice.

    I've never been bullied into voting for or against anything. If you were a victim of intimidation, you should probably report it to the Gardaí.


  • #17
    simplybam
    Registered Users Posts: 214 ✭✭simplybam


    DeadHand wrote: »
    Don't worry you'll have a chance to vote against this in a referendum...

    ... Which will be rerun until our European overlords get the right answer. And the EU has the blatant hypocrisy to condemn the Crimean referendum as rigged. What makes them any better?

    The EU will eventually bring about the death of European culture as we know it through it's ruinous policies of untramelled immigration and adherence to the failed dogma of multi-culturalism. The self loating, culturally defeatist attitudes that now sees thousands of born Europeans carving their murderous "Islamic State" in the deserts of Iraq and Syria.

    I doubt they'll leave their idealology there when they return home.

    Just as well the Irish don't ever emigrate elsewhere. Couldn't stand the thought of them bringing their culture to another country.


  • #18
    DeadHand
    Registered Users Posts: 2,712 ✭✭✭DeadHand


    Don't worry you'll have a chance to vote against this in a referendum...

    ... Which will be rerun until our European overlords get the right answer. And the EU has the blatant hypocrisy to condemn the Crimean referendum as rigged. What makes them any better?

    The EU will eventually bring about the death of European culture as we know it through it's ruinous policies of untramelled immigration and adherence to the failed dogma of multi-culturalism. The self loating, culturally defeatist attitudes that now sees thousands of born Europeans carving their murderous "Islamic State" in the deserts of Iraq and Syria.

    I doubt they'll leave their idealology there when they return home.


  • #19
    simplybam
    Registered Users Posts: 214 ✭✭simplybam


    Wow, I'm a genius - I quoted your post before you posted it


  • #20
    satguy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,743 ✭✭✭satguy


    Our European overlords may well do a better job than the rotten shower of wasters we have now.
    How the hell are we paying for water when it rains here every bloody day, and that's just the tip of the mismanaged botch job our present overlords have made of the place.

    We welcome you O "European Overlords"


  • #21
    hmmm
    Registered Users Posts: 11,205 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    satguy wrote: »
    How the hell are we paying for water when it rains here every bloody day, and that's just the tip of the mismanaged botch job our present overlords have made of the place.
    Rainwater is free, collect as much as you want. Treated water has to be paid for.

    You do realise repeating the words "European overlords" weakens any argument you might have rather than strengthening it, right?

    Ireland has benefitted massively from being part of a larger group of countries - we get to hide behind Germany, France & the UK when they are negotiating with the Chinas and the USAs of this world. We can leave any time we want and go back to being the misogynistic, decrepit agricultural country of the 50s run by the Church and extreme nationalists.


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  • #22
    Permabear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39,022 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


    This post has been deleted.


  • #23
    Ramiro Repulsive Stud
    Closed Accounts Posts: 392 ✭✭ Ramiro Repulsive Stud


    EUSSR under domination of the Germans based on Socialist nanny-state principles. European nations are being dragged into this mire kicking and screaming. The rise of the Russian bear will only speed up the process.


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    Permabear
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    This post has been deleted.


  • #25
    meglome
    Registered Users Posts: 7,980 ✭✭✭meglome


    Tail Docker wrote: »
    Maybe I like bog..also this got moved, so I'm out. Politics doesn't like my brand of intellectual discourse.

    You'll find if you post facts which you can show supporting evidence for you'll have no issue around there parts. Seems fair. If you want to rabble rouse as 'the man' is out to get you then it will go horribly wrong.

    The Lisbon treaty provides for way to leave the EU which didn't exist before. If we vote for it we can leave, whenever we like. Though why someone would be stupid enough to hark back to the insular, protectionist catholic mess we used to have is beyond me.


  • #26
    Tail Docker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    meglome wrote: »
    You'll find if you post facts which you can show supporting evidence for you'll have no issue around there parts. Seems fair. If you want to rabble rouse as 'the man' is out to get you then it will go horribly wrong.

    .

    I only said I liked Bog. I tried finding a supporting link but it went badly. Seems not everywhere calls a bog a bog.


  • #27
    The Corinthian
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,777 ✭✭✭✭The Corinthian


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    All pretence of independence is surely in shreds?
    If I hop on a train, I can be in Vaduz by teatime. Vaduz is, as you no doubt don't know, the capital of sovereign nation of Lichtenstein. Sovereign, except for using the Swiss Franc, and telecoms infrastructure, Austrian trains and who's military safety is guaranteed by Switzerland (as they don't have any army). But they're 'sovereign'. Sort of.

    Naturally, Ireland is nothing like this. We had an independent currency for a whole 20 years - from 1979 to 1999; presumably because we couldn't find any other currency who would let us link ours to theirs.

    We have serious diplomatic clout too - sending our top politicians to the US on St Patrick's day to pay homage to the country that has been kind enough to employ half of Ireland is a sure sign of this. And where our military may lack the ability to physically protect us, our neutrality will step in and act as the ultimate deterrent. Just ask Belgium.
    hmmm wrote: »
    You do realise repeating the words "European overlords" weakens any argument you might have rather than strengthening it, right?
    What I'm wondering what are the Irish, if not European? I understand there's a propensity to copy the British where it comes to their use of the term 'European', but does that mean we're British instead?


  • #28
    Labarbapostiza
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 963 ✭✭✭Labarbapostiza


    DeadHand wrote: »
    The EU will eventually bring about the death of European culture as we know it through it's ruinous policies of untramelled immigration and adherence to the failed dogma of multi-culturalism.

    You know I knew a German who used say just that about Ireland, how Ireland should never have been let join the European Union. Irish people are as European as Ukrainians.


  • #29
    Peregrinus
    Registered Users Posts: 26,021 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Labarbapostiza wrote: »
    You know I knew a German who used say just that about Ireland, how Ireland should never have been let join the European Union. Irish people are as European as Ukrainians.
    In other words, completely European in every sense of the word?


  • #30
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Labarbapostiza wrote: »
    You know I knew a German who used say just that about Ireland, how Ireland should never have been let join the European Union. Irish people are as European as Ukrainians.
    "European as Ukrainians" lol I love it, someone needs some lessons in geography.


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  • #31
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    "European as Ukrainians" lol I love it, someone needs some lessons in geography.

    Ukraine is in Europe. Lesson over?


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