Miss Universe has a little secret...

wonderfulname i really am trying to be as unbiased as i can, which is why i was trying to get across the point that just because she is transgendered does not mean she is incapable of manipulating her situation to gain notoriety and fame for herself, as opposed to the idea that she should be a role model for transgendered people.

i tried to say look at people like chastitiy bono, who actually DID grow up in the spotlight and how it took her enormous courage to transform from female to male, and what an inspiration and role model he is now for not just trans people but to all people.

i dont have all the answers either, but just for me i am intrinsically cynical anyway of the media as 99% of the time, it's just to get their name in the media, and the media dont care about their cause, the same with hiring a celebrity lawyer who only wants to get HER name in the media, when there are hundreds if not thousands more capable lawyers in the states that wouldnt have sought to try the case had there been one, in the court of public opinion.

i didnt mean either that she meant to take on donald trump as such, i just meant that he is the owner of the pageant and he with advice no doubt from his media team, invited her to rejoin the contest, effectively taking the wind out of her sails so to speak, while also avoiding any more negative publicity and a costly legal battle.

its true, i dont think the question of "born naturally female" would have come up before, and honestly i do think there was a bit of árse covering and spin going on there too, but now you do mention it, i am surprised they didnt discover it sooner as im now thinking in the background check they do on these women, would the lack of pre-op photos not surely have given them some indication that something was amiss or raised a few eyebrows! i dont think it's an eventuality they'd adequately prepared for tbh, as i dont think they ever thought it'd happen!

i get where you're coming from wonderfulname with the idea that she may have wanted to show that trans women could be just as beautiful as, well, the other contestants i suppose who were not transgender. but then it begs the question of encouraging dangerous medical procedures in the pursuit of the ultimate beauty, if you get me? as opposed to by all accounts what any transgendered person i've met has said is an incredibly painful and frightening experience to have to go through and they wouldnt wish it on anyone.

my point was also that these beauty pageants do nothing for women in general, whether they be transgender or not, and in my opinion it certainly isnt the right platform if you want to raise awareness of what it is to be transgendered as you are only focussing people's attention on the purely physical aspect of what it is to be transgender and not the person as a whole, effectively disregarding everything else but the superficial aspect of what it is to be transgendered.

i dont know what the future holds for this girl, and suffice to say that the media circus has moved on, it isnt entirely unlikely to assume though that she will fade into the ether, or maybe pop up on one of those godawful "theres something about miriam" tv shows that was on sky a while back, where contestants vie for her "love".

when i say her attitude, i just mean the whole way she went about it and the way it has now blown up into a media circus a la "look at the miss universe contestant who was really a man and how she fooled everybody" and we all have a giggle at the expense of transgendered people. that's the way it has unfortunately played out in my eyes anyway, whereas if she had actually gone about it the right way and campaigned for the rules to be changed so she COULD enter, she would have far more earned my respect and admiration. she may not have courted as much media attention though, nor had a celebrity lawyer so quick to want to defend her position, and who knows if any of the organisations that are backing her now, would have paid her any attention either.

in short i think she has set the cause of transgendered people back about twenty years as while she has garnered support and had the media's attention for a short while, she has also set herself up as a spectacle for the masses to riducule and point and laugh at, which for me is the most upsetting thing i guess really, as closer to home and away from the media spotlight, there are transgendered people who deal with this on a daily basis who will now be subjected to even further ridicule and derision.

tripe man wrote: »

The issue is the principle of it. If a man wants to dress up in women's clothing or mutilate his body so he can pretend in his mind he's a woman, then so be it as that's his choice to do so. But, he will never be a woman. The principle that whatever appears to be true is true as long as it appears to be so is a complete fallacy that carries with it potentially dire consequences. Humans need to uphold strong basic principles because without them there can't be any unchangeable rules and without rules there is chaos.

You heard it here first!
Transgender Miss universe contestants will bring about the collapse of civilisation.
Thank god we were warned in time.

jive wrote: »

I'm all for equality but you have to draw the line somewhere. This is basically a competition in which someone who has transitioned can now enter under their 'new' gender. If this were to happen for sporting events it would be a complete shambles. I don't think plastic surgery should be allowed in beauty contests but then again I don't really care. I suppose if they allow plastic surgery and therefore inanimate objects to enter then they may as well include transgenders and anything else that wants to enter.

I'm curious as to what transgenders (or those involved with transgenders) think about allowing them to enter sporting events? Personally I don't think it is fair and it shouldn't be allowed.

We can enter sporting events...