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Has the church spoken about the banks?

  • 28-08-2012 3:16pm
    #1
    joseph brand
    Registered Users Posts: 4,537 ✭✭✭


    The church seems to be cracking it's knuckles, preparing to support the pro-lifers and defend a man's right to tell a woman what she can and can't do with her body. As a man, I don't deserve this right.

    Anyway. I'm wondering if anyone remembers the church attacking the greed which brought our economy to it's knees?

    And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. Matthew 19:24

    But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation. -- Luke 6:24

    Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you. -- James 5:1

    Should the church not warn the rich of their impending doom? What would jesus think of the greed which created poverty for christians worldwide? I suppose it's hypocritical for the vatican to preach humility and ethics from a jewel encrusted throne, surrounded by vast riches. Not to mention the church aiding and abetting child rapists.

    It's no surprise that they will be vocal on abortion, but, can they not voice their opinion on greed and global warming? They're far too concerned with gay rights and women's bodies.


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  • #2
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    They've said plenty about their own bank. Well, mostly "Leave it the f*ck alone, you didn't see nuthin' right?"


  • #3
    Zamboni
    Registered Users Posts: 4,305 ✭✭✭Zamboni


    joseph brand wrote: »
    The church seems to be cracking it's knuckles, preparing to support the pro-lifers and defend a man's right to tell a woman what she can and can't do with her body. As a man, I don't deserve this right.

    Anyway. I'm wondering if anyone remembers the church attacking the greed which brought our economy to it's knees?

    And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. Matthew 19:24

    But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation. -- Luke 6:24

    Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you. -- James 5:1

    Should the church not warn the rich of their impending doom? What would jesus think of the greed which created poverty for christians worldwide? I suppose it's hypocritical for the vatican to preach humility and ethics from a jewel encrusted throne, surrounded by vast riches. Not to mention the church aiding and abetting child rapists.

    It's no surprise that they will be vocal on abortion, but, can they not voice their opinion on greed and global warming? They're far too concerned with gay rights and women's bodies.

    They are just sticking with their "core competency".

    The irony.


  • #4
    General Relativity
    Closed Accounts Posts: 683 ✭✭✭General Relativity


    Sarky wrote: »
    They've said plenty about their own bank. Well, mostly "Leave it the f*ck alone, you didn't see nuthin' right?"

    'That money was just resting in our account'


  • #5
    Manach
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,659 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    Offhand, AFAIR in the Jesuit magazine "America", their were numerous article critising Wall st. and promoting Social justice cause.


  • #6
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,396 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Manach wrote: »
    [...] promoting Social justice cause.
    Ratzinger did say a few things about the economic/banking/debt crisis, but they were a bit woolly. Apart from them, the Vatican has remained fairly silent about it all, and following its reaction to the US nuns, I don't believe that what most of us refer to as "social justice" is very high up their list of priorities.


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  • #7
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    The Vatican supports the Globalisation of the banks instead of speaking out against it.

    http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/vatican-calls-for-a-central-world-bank/


  • #8
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    It depends on what you mean by church but here's a quick look at where some church leaders have dealt with the topic:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Sentamu#Financial_crisis
    http://www.eauk.org/_lifebeyonddebt/
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7634641.stm

    I've heard churches speak on the subject of materialism on many many occasions. Mostly in the context of determining what do you follow as Lord? Wealth, or God? Of course you can erect other things as idols in your life too. At church I've heard this quite a few times even in the last year.


  • #9
    jhegarty
    Registered Users Posts: 6,434 ✭✭✭jhegarty


    From 2008 :

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/07/religion.creditcrunch
    Pope Benedict has passed his own judgement on the economic crisis, suggesting that the global financial system is built "on sand".

    "Whoever builds his life on this reality, on material things, on success ... builds (his house) on sand. Only the word of God is the foundation of all reality," he said yesterday, according to Reuters.

    The pontiff added: ''We are now seeing, in the collapse of major banks, that money vanishes, it is nothing. All these things that appear to be real are in fact secondary. Only God's words are a solid reality'.'


    .....


  • #10
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Really? God's word seemed to vanish pretty damn quickly when nuns decided that helping the poor was more important than demonising the gays. There was not a shred of virtue extended to any of the abuse victims that have been speaking up worldwide.

    It's interesting that the Vatican's money also vanished when they were asked to pay retribution to those victims.

    The pope is a hypocrite.


  • #11
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,993 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    Usury (what banks do) is banned in the bible. Jesus apparently got very upset when he found moneylenders in a temple, and he felt obliged to kick their asses.
    Still, business is business. Banks and religions are both very good at squeezing a few quid out of the punters, so perhaps it was inevitable that they would eventually kiss and make up.


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  • #12
    Genghiz Cohen
    Registered Users Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭Genghiz Cohen


    jhegarty wrote: »
    From 2008 :

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/07/religion.creditcrunch

    He said, wearing gilded robes on a gilded chair in a gilded hall in a gilded building in his own state.


  • #13
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 33,834 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Sarky wrote: »
    They've said plenty about their own bank. Well, mostly "Leave it the f*ck alone, you didn't see nuthin' right?"

    The Association of Legitimate Italian BusinessmenClerics

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Calvi
    Wikipedia wrote:
    Roberto Calvi (13 April 1920–17 June 1982) was an Italian banker dubbed "God's Banker" by the press because of his close association with the Holy See. A native of Milan, Calvi was Chairman of Banco Ambrosiano, which collapsed in one of modern Italy's biggest political scandals. A source of enduring controversy, his death in London in June 1982 was ruled a murder after two coroner's inquests and an independent investigation. In Rome, in June 2007, five people were acquitted of the murder.

    Claims have been made that factors in Calvi's death were the Vatican Bank, Banco Ambrosiano's main shareholder; the Mafia, which may have used Banco Ambrosiano for money laundering; and the Propaganda Due or P2 clandestine Masonic Lodge.

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