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If a very poor person/scumbag gets killed should it be made legal?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭Johro


    CorkMan wrote: »
    My uncle worked in South Africa during the 80s, and whenever a person of high stature was killed it was looked into heavily. But if a very poor person was killed, there was no investigation the vast majority of the time.

    Do you think that should be implemented here? It would be nice to see scum killers not getting a trial IMO.

    Edited.
    I blame the parents..


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    CorkMan wrote: »
    It was the way South Africa functioned, so why??? a lot of scum have no problem glassing a person for fun.

    And a lot of rich bankers have no problem shafting a nation for personal gain. So do you define a crime by a person's disposable income? Or by their social standing? Because I certainly have more respect for a person from a disadvantaged background, than some privileged twat?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,289 ✭✭✭ebixa82


    CorkMan wrote: »
    Can you please make a successful contribution to the subject of this thread. If you want to comment on my life, please create a new thread.

    Have you ever made a successful contribution to anything?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,005 ✭✭✭CorkMan


    And a lot of rich bankers have no problem shafting a nation for personal gain. So do you define a crime by a person's disposable income? Or by their social standing? Because I certainly have more respect for a person from a disadvantaged background, than some privileged twat?

    Well I am just commenting on homicide/murder. Obviously a rich banker robbing the country has to be dealt with too, it appears here they won't be dealt with.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭Darlughda


    CorkMan wrote: »
    Can you please make a successful contribution to the subject of this thread. If .

    I just did make a stunningly successful contribution to the subject of this thread.

    I am a 'poor' person, and I reckon I just nailed what you are in reality.

    Gosh, whats the bets you got a fierce itchy rash with oozing pus pimples all over your hairy backside? Hows the halitosis by the way?


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,568 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    CorkMan wrote: »
    Can you please make a successful contribution to the subject of this thread. If you want to comment on my life, please create a new thread.
    How does one contribute to an absolute brainless, stupid thread?
    And if it has to be explained to a person why this thread is brainless and daft, they probably wouldn't be able to understand the terms of reference and context anyway!

    I've seen some wacko threads started in my time but this one depresses me - if only too as an indicator towards a possible poor level of education in some, in our country that they just don't get what equality to all means!


  • Registered Users Posts: 228 ✭✭BickNarry


    You follow no moral logic with your assumption.You place the onus on the poor person not to be poor,rather than the average not to be a killer. I can think of an easier way of running a society.

    Please go and read a book.Read many if you can. You might even like them.

    Start off with sociological reasons for poor people existing- the class system. Every country has one. Inequalities cause class to exist in society,therefore it is a problem created by society itself. The measure of a ''healthy'' society is generally based on the level of inequality that exists.

    A characteristic of modern day goverments is plutocracy- minority of wealthy, university educated, upper middle class people (usually male and white) control the majority.

    The poor usually exist outside ''normal'' society. Poverty is not something you're born with, but rather than something you're born into.

    "why don't poor people not be poor?"

    Social mobility. The ability of a person to move up or down in social class is dependant on its cohesion.

    The poor are usually concentrated in certain areas where societal problems grow bigger and bigger through generations if inequality remains high.Studies of ghettoization within the African American community in the United States focused on how spatial organisation can impact on people’s experience of poverty - also focuses on how the poor are perceived as outsiders

    Here are a few theories on poverty and its affects.


    Massey and Denton argues that ‘most of black America is condemned to experience a social environment where poverty and joblessness are the norm, where most families are on welfare, where educational failure prevails, where social and physical deterioration abound’ (1993)
    They argue that this not only has an impact on people’s physical experience of material poverty, but that children in these areas has a lack of access to role models for more other life experiences.

    Wilson (1991) argues that the aspiration of ‘youngsters who grow up in households without a steady breadwinner and in neighbourhoods that are not organised around work are more exposed to less disciplined habits that are associated with casual or less frequent work.

    The notion of social exclusion originates with Townsend’s concept that poverty affects social participation – essentially the idea that the poor are an excluded group in society

    Townsend (1993) argues that the poor are socially excluded if they cannot obtain ‘the conditions of life – that is, the diets, amenities, standards and services – which allow them to play the roles, participate in the relationships and follow customary behaviour which is expected of them by virtue of their membership of society.

    The social exclusion model has increased the focus on poor neighbourhoods because spatial exclusion is the most visible and evident form of exclusion.

    Wilson (1992) suggests
    1. the ghetto poor are not only marginal in the labour market but their economic position is reinforced by their social milieu.
    2. living in a poor neighbourhood can result in feelings of social isolation

    Neighbourhood Effects [/SIZE]
    1. Socialisation models suggests that a concentration of poverty affects residents through peer-group influences spreading anti-social behaviour and through lack of positive neighbourhood role models
    2. In some countries, such as the USA, local services such as schools and community welfare services are funded through a local tax base, so in areas with more poor people, there will be less resources and more demands
    3. Network isolation theories suggest that poor people become disconnected from the larger group in society who are in employment and their moral and social cultures
    4. Broken windows hypothesis argues that accumulating physical neglect can ‘tip’ a community into lower social controls. ‘Vandalism can occur anywhere once communal barriers – the sense of mutual regard and the obligations of civility - are lowered by actions that seem to signal that no-one cares’ (Wilson and Kelling, 1982).

    These deprived communities often have low social cohesion because high concentrations of poverty erode social capital, making it harder to combat community problems as they arise.

    This can also impact on the individual’s sense of empowerment because they lack control over their environment and security.
    Housing relocation programmes in the USA which offer vouchers for housing relocation show that moving children into low poverty areas means that they are less likely to display problem behaviours

    Buck (2001) found that in the UK people living in deprived areas have less chance of getting a job, of leaving poverty (and greater risk of re-entering poverty) than people in non-deprived areas, even when controlling for individual characteristics.
    However, Byrne (1999) found that rather than the population of these deprived areas being permanent, there is a very high rate of turnover in terms of residents because ‘if people can they will get out’

    Burchardt et al (2002) argue that assessment of the long-term data indicates that rather than there being a permanent underclass, there is in fact a permanent overclass, people who never move into poverty and always manage to protect themselves from it.

    Byrne concludes ‘social exclusion is often equated with permanent unemployment but that is a relatively uncommon condition. In contrast, the phenomenon of chomage d’exclusion, the cycling from unemployment to poorly paid work is more common


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    Darlughda wrote: »
    So, today so far you claim to have a jumbo penis, yet have a crap sex life and visit prostitutes, but in your opinion, a good percentage of poor people are scum and are of less value than the wealthier in society.

    So, I guess the reality is you are on the dole. Bitter about it because the world owes you a living.

    No woman will go next to near you, because you are shyte in bed as the limp half mast you try to squish into her is in reality the size of a penny cola bottle.

    So, all you can do is start trolly threads while fantasizing about prostitutes.

    You are some catch you are.



    There is so much ownage in that post, I really don't know where to start.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,555 ✭✭✭DublinWriter


    CorkMan wrote: »
    My uncle worked in South Africa during the 80s, and whenever a person of high stature was killed it was looked into heavily. But if a very poor person was killed, there was no investigation the vast majority of the time.

    Do you think that should be implemented here?
    What, apartheid?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭Johro


    BickNarry wrote: »
    the cycling from unemployment to poorly paid work is more common
    And it's cheaper than driving..


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  • Registered Users Posts: 37 Xon


    holy **** Corkman

    i just read some of your other posts too.... they made me laugh, a good proper chuckle

    the sooner you donate your brain to science the better

    i would hope that some sort of preventative treatment programme could be developed so that it doesn't happen again

    i really hope you don't knock up one of those prossies - the greatest add for the regulation of reproduction ever


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,221 ✭✭✭✭ Braxton Jolly Candlelight


    CorkMan wrote: »
    Not all of them, but a good percentage IMO.

    Seriously??? :eek:
    CorkMan wrote: »
    Where is there a precedence for this? There is worse than what I am proposing, Idi Amin killed hundreds of thousands of his own citizens.

    Not all cork people are scum, but a good percentage are imo. We shouldn't give any of them a trial based on this.

    That's what you are saying but insert poor where I put scum. I don't understand how you cannot see the similarities.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,005 ✭✭✭CorkMan


    Darlughda wrote: »
    I just did make a stunningly successful contribution to the subject of this thread.

    I am a 'poor' person, and I reckon I just nailed what you are in reality.

    Gosh, whats the bets you got a fierce itchy rash with oozing pus pimples all over your hairy backside? Hows the halitosis by the way?

    You are not poor. You have a house, you eat often, etc.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,005 ✭✭✭CorkMan


    What, apartheid?

    Yes, in a sense. Where scummers who will never be any good to society, will be clung to the bottom. Instead where now they can commit there crimes, but get a salesman solicitor to get them off the leash.

    Meanwhile, if a good person kills them lawfully, the good person get 10+ years in jail :rolleyes:

    BTW I saw lawfully cos 99% of crime abiden citizens don't commit crimes, never mind murder. It is normally when scum is on their property, or pushes them to harm them.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,568 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Dear gawd folks, please don't feed it!


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,338 ✭✭✭cml387


    BickNarry wrote: »
    You follow no moral logic with your assumption.You place the onus on the poor person not to be poor,rather than the average not to be a killer. I can think of an easier way of running a society.

    Please go and read a book.Read many if you can. You might even like them.

    Start off with sociological reasons for poor people existing- the class system. Every country has one. Inequalities cause class to exist in society,therefore it is a problem created by society itself. The measure of a ''healthy'' society is generally based on the level of inequality that exists.

    A characteristic of modern day goverments is plutocracy- minority of wealthy, university educated, upper middle class people (usually male and white) control the majority.

    The poor usually exist outside ''normal'' society. Poverty is not something you're born with, but rather than something you're born into.

    "why don't poor people not be poor?"

    Social mobility. The ability of a person to move up or down in social class is dependant on its cohesion.

    The poor are usually concentrated in certain areas where societal problems grow bigger and bigger through generations if inequality remains high.Studies of ghettoization within the African American community in the United States focused on how spatial organisation can impact on people’s experience of poverty - also focuses on how the poor are perceived as outsiders

    Here are a few theories on poverty and its affects.


    Massey and Denton argues that ‘most of black America is condemned to experience a social environment where poverty and joblessness are the norm, where most families are on welfare, where educational failure prevails, where social and physical deterioration abound’ (1993)
    They argue that this not only has an impact on people’s physical experience of material poverty, but that children in these areas has a lack of access to role models for more other life experiences.

    Wilson (1991) argues that the aspiration of ‘youngsters who grow up in households without a steady breadwinner and in neighbourhoods that are not organised around work are more exposed to less disciplined habits that are associated with casual or less frequent work.

    The notion of social exclusion originates with Townsend’s concept that poverty affects social participation – essentially the idea that the poor are an excluded group in society

    Townsend (1993) argues that the poor are socially excluded if they cannot obtain ‘the conditions of life – that is, the diets, amenities, standards and services – which allow them to play the roles, participate in the relationships and follow customary behaviour which is expected of them by virtue of their membership of society.

    The social exclusion model has increased the focus on poor neighbourhoods because spatial exclusion is the most visible and evident form of exclusion.

    Wilson (1992) suggests
    1. the ghetto poor are not only marginal in the labour market but their economic position is reinforced by their social milieu.
    2. living in a poor neighbourhood can result in feelings of social isolation

    Neighbourhood Effects [/SIZE]
    1. Socialisation models suggests that a concentration of poverty affects residents through peer-group influences spreading anti-social behaviour and through lack of positive neighbourhood role models
    2. In some countries, such as the USA, local services such as schools and community welfare services are funded through a local tax base, so in areas with more poor people, there will be less resources and more demands
    3. Network isolation theories suggest that poor people become disconnected from the larger group in society who are in employment and their moral and social cultures
    4. Broken windows hypothesis argues that accumulating physical neglect can ‘tip’ a community into lower social controls. ‘Vandalism can occur anywhere once communal barriers – the sense of mutual regard and the obligations of civility - are lowered by actions that seem to signal that no-one cares’ (Wilson and Kelling, 1982).

    These deprived communities often have low social cohesion because high concentrations of poverty erode social capital, making it harder to combat community problems as they arise.

    This can also impact on the individual’s sense of empowerment because they lack control over their environment and security.
    Housing relocation programmes in the USA which offer vouchers for housing relocation show that moving children into low poverty areas means that they are less likely to display problem behaviours

    Buck (2001) found that in the UK people living in deprived areas have less chance of getting a job, of leaving poverty (and greater risk of re-entering poverty) than people in non-deprived areas, even when controlling for individual characteristics.
    However, Byrne (1999) found that rather than the population of these deprived areas being permanent, there is a very high rate of turnover in terms of residents because ‘if people can they will get out’

    Burchardt et al (2002) argue that assessment of the long-term data indicates that rather than there being a permanent underclass, there is in fact a permanent overclass, people who never move into poverty and always manage to protect themselves from it.

    Byrne concludes ‘social exclusion is often equated with permanent unemployment but that is a relatively uncommon condition. In contrast, the phenomenon of chomage d’exclusion, the cycling from unemployment to poorly paid work is more common

    NickBarry,are you perchance related to a certain Cork city councillor?
    If you are Hiya! I was at your wedding.

    All the best.


  • Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Are you suggesting we hold africa up as some model nation????


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭smellslikeshoes


    OP


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,836 ✭✭✭Sir Gallagher


    CorkMan wrote: »
    You are not poor. You have a house, you eat often, etc.


    :D:D:D:pac::pac::pac:

    This stuff is priceless.


  • Registered Users Posts: 701 ✭✭✭christina_x


    Im very tempted to throw a shoe at your head, might knock some sense into you:rolleyes:

    No. it is never justified to kill somebody and it should never be thought of lightly. reguardless of their bank balance, they are still somebodys son/daughter. So no.. murder based on your financial situation should not be made legal :mad:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,005 ✭✭✭CorkMan


    Im very tempted to throw a shoe at your head, might knock some sense into you:rolleyes:

    No. it is never justified to kill somebody and it should never be thought of lightly. reguardless of their bank balance, they are still somebodys son/daughter. So no.. murder based on your financial situation should not be made legal :mad:

    What about a scumbag?


  • Registered Users Posts: 228 ✭✭BickNarry


    cml387 wrote: »
    NickBarry,are you perchance related to a certain Cork city councillor?
    If you are Hiya! I was at your wedding.

    All the best.

    Mick Barry?Nope,common question though.

    And I like the way OP probably didn't even read my post.

    He might have then asked the question ''why does poverty exist and what are the consequences of it for people?'', not ''why can't we kill the poor?''


  • Registered Users Posts: 37 Xon


    BickNarry wrote: »
    You follow no moral logic with your assumption.You place the onus on the poor person not to be poor,rather than the average not to be a killer. I can think of an easier way of running a society.

    Please go and read a book.Read many if you can. You might even like them.

    Start off with sociological reasons for poor people existing- the class system. Every country has one. Inequalities cause class to exist in society,therefore it is a problem created by society itself. The measure of a ''healthy'' society is generally based on the level of inequality that exists.

    A characteristic of modern day goverments is plutocracy- minority of wealthy, university educated, upper middle class people (usually male and white) control the majority.

    The poor usually exist outside ''normal'' society. Poverty is not something you're born with, but rather than something you're born into.

    "why don't poor people not be poor?"

    Social mobility. The ability of a person to move up or down in social class is dependant on its cohesion.

    The poor are usually concentrated in certain areas where societal problems grow bigger and bigger through generations if inequality remains high.Studies of ghettoization within the African American community in the United States focused on how spatial organisation can impact on people’s experience of poverty - also focuses on how the poor are perceived as outsiders

    Here are a few theories on poverty and its affects.


    Massey and Denton argues that ‘most of black America is condemned to experience a social environment where poverty and joblessness are the norm, where most families are on welfare, where educational failure prevails, where social and physical deterioration abound’ (1993)
    They argue that this not only has an impact on people’s physical experience of material poverty, but that children in these areas has a lack of access to role models for more other life experiences.

    Wilson (1991) argues that the aspiration of ‘youngsters who grow up in households without a steady breadwinner and in neighbourhoods that are not organised around work are more exposed to less disciplined habits that are associated with casual or less frequent work.

    The notion of social exclusion originates with Townsend’s concept that poverty affects social participation – essentially the idea that the poor are an excluded group in society

    Townsend (1993) argues that the poor are socially excluded if they cannot obtain ‘the conditions of life – that is, the diets, amenities, standards and services – which allow them to play the roles, participate in the relationships and follow customary behaviour which is expected of them by virtue of their membership of society.

    The social exclusion model has increased the focus on poor neighbourhoods because spatial exclusion is the most visible and evident form of exclusion.

    Wilson (1992) suggests
    1. the ghetto poor are not only marginal in the labour market but their economic position is reinforced by their social milieu.
    2. living in a poor neighbourhood can result in feelings of social isolation

    Neighbourhood Effects [/SIZE]
    1. Socialisation models suggests that a concentration of poverty affects residents through peer-group influences spreading anti-social behaviour and through lack of positive neighbourhood role models
    2. In some countries, such as the USA, local services such as schools and community welfare services are funded through a local tax base, so in areas with more poor people, there will be less resources and more demands
    3. Network isolation theories suggest that poor people become disconnected from the larger group in society who are in employment and their moral and social cultures
    4. Broken windows hypothesis argues that accumulating physical neglect can ‘tip’ a community into lower social controls. ‘Vandalism can occur anywhere once communal barriers – the sense of mutual regard and the obligations of civility - are lowered by actions that seem to signal that no-one cares’ (Wilson and Kelling, 1982).

    These deprived communities often have low social cohesion because high concentrations of poverty erode social capital, making it harder to combat community problems as they arise.

    This can also impact on the individual’s sense of empowerment because they lack control over their environment and security.
    Housing relocation programmes in the USA which offer vouchers for housing relocation show that moving children into low poverty areas means that they are less likely to display problem behaviours

    Buck (2001) found that in the UK people living in deprived areas have less chance of getting a job, of leaving poverty (and greater risk of re-entering poverty) than people in non-deprived areas, even when controlling for individual characteristics.
    However, Byrne (1999) found that rather than the population of these deprived areas being permanent, there is a very high rate of turnover in terms of residents because ‘if people can they will get out’

    Burchardt et al (2002) argue that assessment of the long-term data indicates that rather than there being a permanent underclass, there is in fact a permanent overclass, people who never move into poverty and always manage to protect themselves from it.

    Byrne concludes ‘social exclusion is often equated with permanent unemployment but that is a relatively uncommon condition. In contrast, the phenomenon of chomage d’exclusion, the cycling from unemployment to poorly paid work is more common


    C'mon Bicknarry - know your audience

    You don't need to visit the library to understand that 'poor' and 'scum' are not the same thing


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,005 ✭✭✭CorkMan


    BickNarry wrote: »
    Mick Barry?Nope,common question though.

    And I like the way OP probably didn't even read my post.

    He might have then asked the question ''why does poverty exist and what are the consequences of it for people?'', not ''why can't we kill the poor?''

    I read it, poverty exists because of inequality, but in western societies we have the wealthy a minority, with the upper middle class making up most of it, namely being white and male. Though in Ireland this doesn't apply.

    The effects are ghettoization, and people not being able to move up the ladder, no role models. I didn't read the bottom third as it was very long.

    But what about scumbags who stab people for a laugh?


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,338 ✭✭✭cml387


    Anyone fancy a pint?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,005 ✭✭✭CorkMan


    cml387 wrote: »
    Anyone fancy a pint?

    A pint of justice for this country,


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,568 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    cml387 wrote: »
    Anyone fancy a pint?
    Would love one. Whats your poison?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,005 ✭✭✭CorkMan


    Hey Biggins, did you read BickNarrys essay?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭Darlughda


    Oy corkman is this you ready to wash our streets clean of the 'scum' in our society .....http://www.thelamest.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/fat_hairy_guy_on_bed_with_guns.jpg


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,338 ✭✭✭cml387


    Biggins wrote: »
    Would love one. Whats your poison?


    Heineken...oh and a packet of crisps.Not Salt and vinegar though.


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