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  • 27-08-2013 9:49am
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    Registered Users Posts: 1,454 ✭✭✭


    This is just fascinating. A very simple idea and cheap to implement. Might even build one myself.
    http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/wave-goodbye-to-global-warming-gm-and-pesticides-29525621.html



    The technology – radio wave energised water – massively increases the output of vegetables and fruits by up to 30 per cent.

    Not only are the plants much bigger but they are largely disease-resistant, meaning huge savings in expensive fertilisers and harmful pesticides.

    Extensively tested in Ireland and several other countries, the inexpensive water treatment technology is now being rolled out across the world. The technology makes GM obsolete and also addresses the whole global warming fear that there is too much carbon dioxide in the air, by simply converting excess CO2 into edible plant mass.

    Developed by Professor Austin Darragh and Dr JJ Leahy of Limerick University's Department of Chemistry and Environmental Science, the hardy eco-friendly technology uses nothing but the natural elements of sunlight, water, carbon dioxide in the air and the minerals in the soil.

    The compact biscuit-tin-sized technology, which is called Vi-Aqua – meaning 'life water' – converts 24 volts of electricity into a radio signal, which charges up the water via an antennae. Once the device is attached to a hose, thousands of gallons of water can be charged up in less than 10 minutes at a cost of pennies.

    Speaking about the new technology, Professor Austin Darragh says:

    "Vi-Aqua makes water wetter and introduces atmospheric nitrogen into the water in the form of nitrates – so it is free fertiliser. It also produces the miracle of rejuvenating the soil by invigorating soil-based micro-organisms.

    "We can also make water savings of at least 30 per cent. When the water is treated it becomes a better solvent, which means it can carry more nutrients to the leaves and stem and percolate better down into the soil to nourish the roots, which in turn produces a better root system. Hence the reason you need less water and why you end up with larger and hardier crops," explains Professor Austin Darragh.

    Extensively tested in Warrenstown Agricultural College, the technology is being hailed as a modern day miracle.

    Harold Lawler is Ireland's foremost Agricultural Specialist. As Director of the National Botanical Gardens and former Master of Agricultural Science at Warrenstown Agricultural College, he has carried out more research on Vi-Aqua growth-enhancing technology than perhaps anyone else in the world:

    "In the bedding plants we really saw a difference in the results; they were much hardier and tougher. You could drop a tray of these plants on the ground and they would not shatter, like ordinary plants.

    "We also noticed that the treated plants needed far less fertiliser than the untreated ones. The roots took the nutrients in better whereas with other normal plants leaching of minerals occurs," explains Harold Lawler.

    Impressed, Harold Lawler's research team carried out further extensive tests on a wide variety of vegetable plants:

    "The iceberg lettuces were far superior with faster germination, and with carrots for example, the crops were on average 46 per cent heavier," explains Harold Lawler.

    During recent successful tomato crop field trials in Italy, three of the country's largest Agricultural Co-op's were so impressed with the results that they have now decided to recommend the technology to the country's farming community.

    Elsewhere, the Indian government have now concluded their own tests, which confirm that they are able to boost tea (plant) production by over a third while using far less water.

    In recognition of the groundbreaking technology, the Royal Botanical Gardens at Kew, London, recently took the hitherto unheard-of step of granting Professor Austin Darragh and his team the right to use their official centuries-old coat of arms on the new technology – the first time ever that Kew Gardens has afforded anyone such an honour.

    The Kew Gardens botanists were not just impressed with the research; they used the technology to restore to life a very rare orchid which had been lying dormant and practically dead in a greenhouse bell jar since 1942. Amazingly, the orchid is now flourishing once again.

    Intriguingly, chickens and sheep fed the energised water turned into giants. . . but that's another story!

    Limerick University off- campus company ZPM Europe Ltd, who are based in the National Technology Park, Limerick, is now manufacturing the Vi-Aqua technology.

    Sunday Independent


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,454 ✭✭✭bogwalrus


    Remember that old saying that if you play music to you plants they grow better. Maybe all along it was the radio waves doing their job.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 90,694 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight




  • Registered Users Posts: 2 Kryten4000


    Can't believe this made a national newspaper or that Limerick Uni would associate with this hokum. The whole thing reads like a pisstake but without a punchline. Some pretty incredible (lit.) claims and grandiose predictions for the effects of this 'technology' but extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and if half of what they're suggesting is true why haven't they published in a reputable, credible, peer-reviewed scientific journal of high impact factor? Where's the Nature/Science paper?

    Here's some more background reading for you; it's been done before.

    http://www.chem1.com/CQ/gallery.html

    So embarrassing.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,454 ✭✭✭bogwalrus


    I read the link Capt midnight put up and thought that was a reviewed experiment.

    Could there be some sort of patent pending before they release full experiment details?

    Is the science behind it really considered pseudo? It seems fairly straightforward the whole "wetness" argument helping growth.

    I suppose you cant really trust any group of scientist these days unless they are peer reviewed.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 90,694 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    The public language used is so pseudo science it's scary



    but they are talking about dirty water not pure water so the behaviour of colloids and dissolved salts is also important

    still not enough technical details , cba looking up patents as they generally aren't clear and obvious despite the absolute requirement for them to be so.

    can't help wondering how UV sterilised (by sunlight even) water compares


    At least they aren't using magnets ;)


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  • Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,202 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    Immediate reaction was that it sounded dodgy. Until I see a peer reviewed article I'll remain sceptical.

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,097 ✭✭✭kiffer


    I predict this will be almost as good as Orbo and Steorn.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,088 ✭✭✭Louche Lad




  • Registered Users Posts: 2 Kryten4000


    bogwalrus wrote: »
    I read the link Capt midnight put up and thought that was a reviewed experiment.

    I read it too; an average undergrad would have made a better stab at it. It was entitled "SCIENTIFIC INFORMATION DOSSIER" for God's sake, all it was missing was a "TOP SECRET - DO NOT READ" stamp on the front page :rolleyes:
    Could there be some sort of patent pending before they release full experiment details?

    Nah, this particular scam has been around for donkeys' years.
    I suppose you cant really trust any group of scientist these days unless they are peer reviewed.

    The infuriating part here is that scientists, especially those representing objective, university based research, are expected to be the one group you CAN trust :mad:

    If it looks like a duck, and walks like a duck...

    Remember that UK businessman recently exposed for selling a bomb detection device to security forces in Iraq, Kenya, Hong Kong, Thailand, and Egypt that turned out to be nothing more than a novelty golfball finder, a box with an aerial attached to it? He ended up with a ten year sentence for fraud. Same principle here.

    The individuals mentioned appear to have reputable credentials, so WTF??


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭Mark Hamill


    bogwalrus wrote: »
    Intriguingly, chickens and sheep fed the energised water turned into giants. . . but that's another story!

    That's the second last paragraph in the indo article. There is no way that it isn't a pisstake.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,934 ✭✭✭robp



    Muise, it must have taken them a while to fabricate all that data.


  • Registered Users Posts: 22,234 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Has there been any response to this from UL or the national Botanical gardens?
    You would think they'd have something to say given that this looks like it's a scam that is using their to give themselves legitimacy?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,934 ✭✭✭robp


    Akrasia wrote: »
    Has there been any response to this from UL or the national Botanical gardens?
    You would think they'd have something to say given that this looks like it's a scam that is using their to give themselves legitimacy?

    Universities don't react quickly especially in summer time but I hope they clarify the matter soon.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,117 ✭✭✭shanered


    I wonder if it works, love to do a little grow off, one plant with and one without.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 144 ✭✭fredweena


    I'm sold. It makes water wetter for god's sake. It's a miracle!;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,097 ✭✭✭kiffer


    fredweena wrote: »
    I'm sold. It makes water wetter for god's sake. It's a miracle!;)

    Making water wetter is a real thing... soap for example makes water wetter by changing surface tension.
    Making water wetter helps it soak into soil which helps the plants... making the water wetter is not the odd part. Heck you can even change the surface tension of water using an electric field. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrowetting

    Though I imagine that it only keeps its increased wettness while it is kept in the field... and the energy patterning encoding talk in the press release makes the whole thing sound like something someone selling crystals to improve your garden would come out with.


  • Registered Users Posts: 22,234 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    shanered wrote: »
    I wonder if it works, love to do a little grow off, one plant with and one without.
    You might consider a slightly bigger sample size if you'd like to record any meaningful results.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,117 ✭✭✭shanered


    Suppose your but even just try.and see if there is any improvment would be interesting


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 144 ✭✭fredweena


    kiffer wrote: »
    Making water wetter is a real thing... soap for example makes water wetter by changing surface tension.
    Making water wetter helps it soak into soil which helps the plants... making the water wetter is not the odd part. Heck you can even change the surface tension of water using an electric field. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrowetting

    Though I imagine that it only keeps its increased wettness while it is kept in the field... and the energy patterning encoding talk in the press release makes the whole thing sound like something someone selling crystals to improve your garden would come out with.


    Dammit! This is what I get for taking botany instead of physics or chemistry. That and unemployment.


  • Registered Users Posts: 22,234 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    There was another article in the Sunday independent yesterday about this Vi-Aqua product
    This time, there are claims that output has been increased by 30% in a lettuce farm, and that quality and output has hugely increased in a flower producer
    "There has been a 30pc to 40pc improvement in winter production from October to March; which is important, because you sell more lettuce in January than in July due to all the women going on a diet.

    "The centre of the glasshouse is usually warmer, but in the winter for about 8 metres all around the perimeter it is generally cooler; so the crop would be 30pc to 60pc lighter. We now get a good crop around the edges of the glasshouses......

    Rush Bulbs and Flowers, which employs 18 staff, is Ireland's largest flower grower.

    ....."We used to lose almost 25pc of the roses that we imported from Kenya. They would develop an air pocket in the stem and wilt - that was the norm. We then put the roses into Vi-Aqua treated water and the problem was reduced to zero.

    "With Vi-Aqua we went from two crops of lilies a year to three. Using treated water, the plants are more vibrant looking and you see better colours and good dark rich green stems and leafs. http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/irelands-mr-lettuce-gets-big-boost-from-using-hitech-water-30512161.html

    Red flags on this are
    1. It's the Sunday independent
    2. Yeah, it's the feckin Sunday Independent
    3. Talking about improved Year on Year crop yields requires more than one or two years of study, the improved yields could have been a result of better growing conditions other than this new 'vi-aqua'
    4. I can't see any links to any peer reviewed studies either referred to in the article, or anywhere on the VI-Aqua website. The website refers to 'studies' but does not link to them, but it does have a very large 'testimonial' section

    That said, if the facts in the article are true, then this certainly does merit a closer look either to expose the scam, or to understand whatever phenomena is causing the improved crop yields


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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    All the links I can find show it losing all it's paid for backing and accusations of quackery seem to be the order for the day everywhere but with the independent. Seems like they paid for a lot of high profile endorsements which I think says more about the likes of the Royal botanical gardens and K club than it does the charlatans pushing this system.


  • Registered Users Posts: 472 ✭✭Staph


    I find it crazy that the author of the article published the same crap a year after the initial article, despite people dismissing it as pseudo/scam/quackery etc. I wonder what his motives are for publishing?


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    Staph wrote: »
    I find it crazy that the author of the article published the same crap a year after the initial article, despite people dismissing it as pseudo/scam/quackery etc. I wonder what his motives are for publishing?
    Like pretty much anything in a newspaper today his words where bought and paid for. Anytime you see an article mentioning a product or person related to a product that article has someone paying for it. No one gets promoted in a paper for free.


  • Registered Users Posts: 472 ✭✭Staph


    Absolutely! I find it hard to believe that he missed ALL the criticism from his initial article. Ridiculous that such tripe is published at all, unless there is some incentive.


  • Registered Users Posts: 22,234 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    I reckon it was a very good investment from VI-Aqua. There will be a lot of farmers looking to increase their output by 30% and the way the article was written, it looks as though this is proven to work and all the test results are already in.

    Surely this is a breach of some kind Media of code of practice?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 963 ✭✭✭Labarbapostiza


    I am angry.......

    Angry as someone might be on learning an Irish institution had hired Russell Grant to head up their astrophysics department.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,993 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    There is so much name-dropping of reputable people and institutions in the Indo article, supposedly endorsing this "technology", that its worth looking a little closer.

    1. "Extensively tested in Warrenstown Agri College....
    But that college has closed down. The 450 acre farm for the Agricultural College which closed in 2001 was sold in 2008 for €13.8million.

    2. "Harold Lawler is Ireland's foremost Agricultural Specialist. As Director of the National Botanical Gardens and former Master of Agricultural Science at Warrenstown Agricultural College, he has carried out more research on Vi-Aqua growth-enhancing technology than perhaps anyone else in the world:"In the bedding plants we really saw a difference in the results; they were much hardier and tougher. You could drop a tray of these plants on the ground and they would not shatter, like ordinary plants.
    "We also noticed that the treated plants needed far less fertiliser than the untreated ones. The roots took the nutrients in better whereas with other normal plants leaching of minerals occurs," explains Harold Lawler".

    There is no Harold Lawler, but there is a Harold Lawlor associated with Teagasc and the College of Amenity Horticulture in the Nat. Botanic Gardens. I presume he is not connected with this scam.


    3. Field trials a success in India and Italy. Dead orchid in Kew gardens comes back to life.

    I'm not going to waste my time trying to research these, I'll just assume they are lies.


    I was never a big fan of the Indo, but now it has gone way down in my estimation. Pretty much at the same level now as The National Enquirer in the USA, that purveyor of the purist and most blatantly dishonest bull$hit that anyone can dream up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,660 ✭✭✭COYVB


    ScumLord wrote: »
    Anytime you see an article mentioning a product or person related to a product that article has someone paying for it

    That's not even remotely true btw


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 963 ✭✭✭Labarbapostiza


    COYVB wrote: »
    That's not even remotely true btw

    it's remotely true.

    Newspapers take money for placement. But most public relations is centred on keeping things out of the newspaper than in. Which is why people like Tony O'Reilly, or Dennis O'Brien buy newspapers. Or to put it another way, buy journalists by the barrel.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    COYVB wrote: »
    That's not even remotely true btw
    It is I'm afraid. If a newspaper is doing a special on say electronics they contact electronic companies and see who wants to put their product into the editorial. Even if it's a start up business who won some award it's probably the people handing out the award funding that particular news article.

    You will nearly always find that bar companies making some horrible mistake that gets them in the newspapers for negative reasons all articles about a products or companys will be very positive because that wording was paid for and edited by the company in the article.


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