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Whispered · 03-05-2012, 18:03

I was watching a cooking programme earlier today and there was a scene in which a horse was used for "heavy lifting". Basically dragging felled trees to a stacking site. It all started very nicely, I was thinking how great is is to use an animal like that to stop the destruction of land by heavy machinery. But it goes on to look very very uncomfortable and dangerous.

There is no doubt that the owner cares about and is immensely proud of her horse which was so nice to see. I know nothing about horses so he could be one of the happiest horses in the world. I can't read their body language nor do I know the signs of distress in a horse.

I was hoping a horsey person have a look and tell me what they think. It starts at 15.30, ends at 18.30. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeAR8rE5Vnk

doctor evil · 03-05-2012, 19:17

You may get more replies if its shipped to the equestrian forum.

Nothing is without risk, horses can injure themselves in stable and field. The horse is grand (could do with loosing a bit of weight), he is doing what he is bred to do which to pull.

I wouldn't be giving him carrots as part of his healthy breakfast, far too much sugar in them for equine particulary the heavier ones who are prone to obesity as they have evolved to do well on little.

evilmonkee · 03-05-2012, 19:49

I didn't see any problem with the horse.
The hesitation you see is completely normal and he did not show any fear.

As doctor evil said, they are using the correct breed and he does appear happy and well fed.

fatmammycat · 03-05-2012, 19:55

His ears aren't pinned, his equipment is good, he looks comfortable with the task he's been given, plenty of head room, time to figure out his footing. He looks steady and confident.
I wouldn't even say he was carrying too much weight, I don't know his exact breed, but I'd say there's more than a touch of shire there, as opposed to Clydesdale or Suffolk punch. To me he look like a happy horse with a job he's well suited to.

doctor evil · 03-05-2012, 22:26

Didn't see any Shire myself, I was thinking more Ardennes. He could do with firming up slightly. People are getting fatter and so are animals.

Slightly OT there is an interesting lecture on YT from a renowned vet guy about condition scoring. A fat horse can have a 'leaf' of internal fat in the abdomen, I think it was measured with ultrasound, the other more externals parts of how condition were measured were fine. It's been months since I watched it so may not very clear.

TooManyDogs · 03-05-2012, 23:20

He looked happy to me too, not that I'm a horse expert but had a bit of experience. I think we need AJ on the case

**adrenalinjunkie** · 04-05-2012, 01:13

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Originally Posted by TooManyDogs

I think we need AJ on the case

Been trying to watch it all evening, can't even get past the ads as my internet connection is completely abysmal atm

Whispered · 04-05-2012, 01:32

Thanks

I was thinking that it was likely just an untrained eye (mine) looking at something. Particularly since the owner seemed so genuine.

**adrenalinjunkie** · 04-05-2012, 02:28

Have just managed to watch it, wouldn't have cost me a second thought tbh, he's well able for it but he would have an easier job of it if he was lugging around a bit less body fat. Neither of them look like they do too much of that uphill work on a regular basis!

tahina · 05-05-2012, 02:41

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Originally Posted by Whispered

I was watching a cooking programme earlier today and there was a scene in which a horse was used for "heavy lifting". Basically dragging felled trees to a stacking site. It all started very nicely, I was thinking how great is is to use an animal like that to stop the destruction of land by heavy machinery. But it goes on to look very very uncomfortable and dangerous.

There is no doubt that the owner cares about and is immensely proud of her horse which was so nice to see. I know nothing about horses so he could be one of the happiest horses in the world. I can't read their body language nor do I know the signs of distress in a horse.

I was hoping a horsey person have a look and tell me what they think. It starts at 15.30, ends at 18.30. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeAR8rE5Vnk

No problem these animals have been bred for this work of hundreds of years like our irish draft horses they are sooo strong they would plough right through you without batting an eyelid!! Still love them tho =]

03-05-2012, 18:03	#1
Whispered Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 7,462 Adverts \| Friends	Horses (opinions wanted on TV programme) I was watching a cooking programme earlier today and there was a scene in which a horse was used for "heavy lifting". Basically dragging felled trees to a stacking site. It all started very nicely, I was thinking how great is is to use an animal like that to stop the destruction of land by heavy machinery. But it goes on to look very very uncomfortable and dangerous. There is no doubt that the owner cares about and is immensely proud of her horse which was so nice to see. I know nothing about horses so he could be one of the happiest horses in the world. I can't read their body language nor do I know the signs of distress in a horse. I was hoping a horsey person have a look and tell me what they think. It starts at 15.30, ends at 18.30. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeAR8rE5Vnk

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03-05-2012, 19:17	#2
doctor evil Closed Account Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 3,072 Adverts \| Friends	You may get more replies if its shipped to the equestrian forum. Nothing is without risk, horses can injure themselves in stable and field. The horse is grand (could do with loosing a bit of weight), he is doing what he is bred to do which to pull. I wouldn't be giving him carrots as part of his healthy breakfast, far too much sugar in them for equine particulary the heavier ones who are prone to obesity as they have evolved to do well on little.

03-05-2012, 19:49	#3
evilmonkee Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Dublin Posts: 295 Adverts \| Friends	I didn't see any problem with the horse. The hesitation you see is completely normal and he did not show any fear. As doctor evil said, they are using the correct breed and he does appear happy and well fed.

03-05-2012, 19:55	#4
fatmammycat Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,866 Adverts \| Friends	His ears aren't pinned, his equipment is good, he looks comfortable with the task he's been given, plenty of head room, time to figure out his footing. He looks steady and confident. I wouldn't even say he was carrying too much weight, I don't know his exact breed, but I'd say there's more than a touch of shire there, as opposed to Clydesdale or Suffolk punch. To me he look like a happy horse with a job he's well suited to.

03-05-2012, 22:26	#5
doctor evil Closed Account Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 3,072 Adverts \| Friends	Didn't see any Shire myself, I was thinking more Ardennes. He could do with firming up slightly. People are getting fatter and so are animals. Slightly OT there is an interesting lecture on YT from a renowned vet guy about condition scoring. A fat horse can have a 'leaf' of internal fat in the abdomen, I think it was measured with ultrasound, the other more externals parts of how condition were measured were fine. It's been months since I watched it so may not very clear.

03-05-2012, 23:20	#6
TooManyDogs Registered User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Dublin Posts: 1,482 Adverts \| Friends	He looked happy to me too, not that I'm a horse expert but had a bit of experience. I think we need AJ on the case

04-05-2012, 01:32	#8
Whispered Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 7,462 Adverts \| Friends	Thanks I was thinking that it was likely just an untrained eye (mine) looking at something. Particularly since the owner seemed so genuine.

04-05-2012, 02:28	#9
adrenalinjunkie Moderator Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: North West Posts: 3,677 Adverts \| Friends Mod: Animals & Pet Issues	Have just managed to watch it, wouldn't have cost me a second thought tbh, he's well able for it but he would have an easier job of it if he was lugging around a bit less body fat. Neither of them look like they do too much of that uphill work on a regular basis!