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Angela Merkel

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭Doc Ruby


    Chinasea wrote: »
    Oh yea, the pea brain elephant memory syndrome yet again. Yawn, cringe puke.

    This thread is about the giant cac ca that is in Ireland's nappy now - ABSOUTLEY NOTHING to do with the history that you harp on about now.
    What, the history about the nazis, attempted genocide, concentration camps, gas chambers, hitler, those events that people still alive can remember and everyone everywhere will remember forever, long looooong after this minor financial spat is over, you mean? Quite the teacher.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭Mickey H


    benwavner wrote: »
    I would get great pleasure in smacking Merkel with a sweaty sock right across that crazy face of hers.

    Make sure the sock is full of pennies... :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    Mickey H wrote: »
    Make sure the sock is full of pennies... :D

    Misread that as penises lol.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,453 Mod ✭✭✭✭Shenshen


    Caliden wrote: »
    Maybe it's time they get sent the bill for WW2 seeing as they have all this extra money.

    They have already paid that :

    $23 bn to the allies
    $450 mil to Israel (in addition to individual claims)
    $3 bn to the World Jewish Congress for survivors in other countries

    It also finished paying off reparations for WW I in 2010


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭Mickey H


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Misread that as penises lol.

    :D:D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Misread that as penises lol.


    Now thats just silly. Nobody is giving away bags of mickeys in a recession.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,819 ✭✭✭✭peasant


    I wish she would just shut up and keep giving us money.

    You and the rest of Europe :D

    Merkel is absolutely useless in the current cisis, she either waffles on for hours without saying anything of substance or when she finally says something you can bet it's at the wrong time or in the wrong tone.

    .....................................................................................................

    FWIW, life for the average German is by no means as rosy as people here imagine it to be.
    If you have a job, you're lucky to go home with half of your paycheck after taxes ...the average take-home pay in Germany is 17560 Euro p.a :eek:
    http://www.focus.de/finanzen/steuern/nettoverdienst-im-freien-fall-lohnsteuer-abgaben-und-sozialversicherung-auf-rekordstand_aid_736137.html

    Pay rent and bills out of that and you're left with sweet f.a.


    Worse if you loose your job and you're either forced to work in one of those new-fangled 400 Euro jobs (to keep you out of the statistics) or you end up on what they call "Hartz IV", the meanest, stingiest, most demeaning and intrusive form of "social welfare" there is ...scraping by at the absolute minimum and they'll have you begging for that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hooradiation


    Doc Ruby wrote: »
    I know she's a large lady but I wasn't referring to her by the plural, rather to the Germans, as the context of the discussion clearly shows.

    So the upshot of all this is that your post was the puerile bollox it originally appeared to be and your unrepentant about that.

    Fantastic, glad we took the time for you to demonstrate that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭OldmanMondeo


    benwavner wrote: »
    I would get great pleasure in smacking Merkel with a sweaty sock right across that crazy face of hers.

    Stoopid Frauline.

    So what your saying is you would give her one....Durty boy....


  • Registered Users Posts: 125 ✭✭BIG BAD JOHN


    I don't have a problem with the bigger EU states providing leadership in difficult circumstances.
    My problem is that, in my opinion, Merkel is not showing leadership and has a huge aptitude for saying absolutely the wrong thing. To be politically incorrect, she's the kind of person who, on meeting a cripple, will talk about feet.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,073 ✭✭✭Pottler


    Caliden wrote: »
    Maybe it's time they get sent the bill for WW2 seeing as they have all this extra money.
    They've been paying billions in reparations ever since it ended. Boring listening to all the song singers on here farting about how Germany is having a go at poor Ireland. Bit like listening to someone whinging about having to repay "dem bastreds" in the credit union after they've pi55ed the loan they got up a Spanish beachfront wall. We made a fcuk of the economy, we're still making a fcuk of it and until we stop making a fcuk of it, chances are we might be in for a few lectures from people who bailed us out and are still bailing us out.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,937 ✭✭✭Cool_CM


    Doc Ruby wrote: »
    Wait, Angela Merkel participated in the genocide of about six million people in 1940's Germany?

    Astounding!
    I know she's a large lady but I wasn't referring to her by the plural, rather to the Germans, as the context of the discussion clearly shows. Your attempt to sashay off into a "these are not the same people" side alley and mug the discussion with mind yawningly hackneyed perspectives has instead resulted in a swift lesson on how to engage politely with other people on the internet, in particular since the German anti-inflationary measures responsible for much of their current well being are rooted in the Weimar republic which in fact predates the horrors of the holocaust.

    Yes, the Weimar Republic did predate the Holocaust. Your knowledge of German history and economics is clearly far superior to that of everybody else.

    I thought that the basis for their current well being, without getting historical, is the fact that they generally save more money than us?

    I spend most of my day trying to convince Germans that they should take nicer hotel rooms over basic ones and they will almost never pay over the odds unless it is for breakfast. They are generally a lot better with money than we are.

    Also, didn't most of our credit come from German savings that weren't being spent?

    Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm in no way an expert on the matter though you clearly seem to be and I am eager to learn.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,822 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    I've said it before and i'l say it again. There's something in those German jenes that make them hell bent on world domination. They found out the hard way that they couldnt do it through war so now they're trying economics instead!

    The German are hardly unique in trying to take over the world.

    The Brits raped their way around the globe and the French and the Spanish had a pop at it too.

    The Americans have taken the mantle since WWII.


  • Registered Users Posts: 125 ✭✭BIG BAD JOHN


    Whilst I am greatly disappointed with Angela Merkel, I have no argument with the German people as such and don't think references to WW2 have too much relevance.
    It's about her lack of leadership and her shooting off at the mouth (like her comments on Greece today) before getting her brain in gear.
    She may be the political head of the most successful EU nation (and they largely deserve to be that) but the whole point of the EU project is based on mutual respect and she was quite disdainful (IMHO) towards the Greek people today after their putting their heads on the block in yeterday's election.
    And this was not an aberration. She cannot seem (metaphorically speaking) to be able to pass someone lying on the ground without giving them another kick.
    If she cannot say something positive, she might be better saying nowt.


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    benwavner wrote: »
    I would get great pleasure in smacking Merkel with a sweaty sock right across that crazy face of hers.

    Stoopid Frauline.

    Put a snooker ball in that sock first


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    peasant wrote: »
    If you have a job, you're lucky to go home with half of your paycheck after taxes ...the average take-home pay in Germany is 17560 Euro p.a :eek:
    http://www.focus.de/finanzen/steuern/nettoverdienst-im-freien-fall-lohnsteuer-abgaben-und-sozialversicherung-auf-rekordstand_aid_736137.html

    Your average family with 2 children would get that on the dole here and still have their rent, medical card etc paid for. They might even be insulted with that little money on the dole.

    Our politicians are worse they would actually say any less would lead to poverty on the most vulnerable and that it would be unfair to cut it :eek:


  • Registered Users Posts: 174 ✭✭DonQuay1


    Shenshen wrote: »
    They have already paid that :

    $23 bn to the allies
    $450 mil to Israel (in addition to individual claims)
    $3 bn to the World Jewish Congress for survivors in other countries


    It also finished paying off reparations for WW I in 2010

    No it didn't. It was forgiven a massive amount of its WW2 reparations in '49.
    And the actual treaty wasn't signed 'til 1990.... and still in the courts ....

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/wwii-reparations-case-germany-doesn-t-feel-obliged-to-pay-more-a-786216.html

    09/14/2011

    WWII Reparations Case 'Germany Doesn't Feel Obliged to Pay More' AP Judges at the International Court of Justice in The Hague, Netherlands, on Sept. 12.

    This week The Hague addresses a dispute over whether Italian courts can skirt German sovereignty in demanding reparations for Nazi war crimes. In an interview with SPIEGEL Online, victims' lawyer Martin Klingner discusses the implications of the case for his clients and future international war reparations.

    In a case that could have consequences worldwide, Germany and Italy are squaring off this week at the United Nation's highest court in a jurisdictional dispute over the right of Italian courts to demand compensation for the victims of Nazi war crimes.

    Hoping to quell what has been called "judicial tourism," Germany applied for proceedings in front of the World Court in December 2008, arguing that Italian courts have violated German sovereignty by addressing civilian claims for Nazi war crimes. The row originated from the case of Luigi Ferrini, who in 1944 was deported to Germany as a forced laborer. After an Italian Supreme Court ruled he should be compensated by Germany in 2004, a flood of similar cases have been filed in the country.



    Greece would appear to have more than a case for money
    ..... Ireland wouldn't .....

    http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2093990,00.html

    Another legal issue that has surfaced concerns the 476 million reichsmarks lent against its will to Germany by the Greek National Bank during the war. If this were to be considered a form of war damage, then in principle it would be subject to reparation — except that according to the 1990 treaty, Germany would not have to pay it. If the money were, however, to be considered a normal credit, then Greece would be entitled to get the money back.
    Without interest, the amount in today's money would amount to $14 billion. With interest at 3% over 66 years, that would come to at least $95 billion. The problem is this: even partial recognition of such a debt would create a precedent that could bring untold claims in its wake.



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan

    Reparations:
    Germany had no money or gold left after WW2. Although up to 300 heavy industrial factories from Germany were dismantled and re built in the US as well as France and the UK, etc, The US then went on to give Europe approx €17 Billion over four years to help us out of our problems. A pretty big sum - especially in '47!! Germany got a ginormous lump of that money ...


  • Registered Users Posts: 260 ✭✭Franticfrank


    The problem is this: even partial recognition of such a debt would create a precedent that could bring untold claims in its wake.

    And quite rightly after all that trouble. Even though I wouldn't mind punching that woman in her sagging jowels, or taking that sock for that matter, most Germans who I've met seem quite insecure with her policies. You may speak here of European domination. However, I say go over and speak to the young German people. I guarantee you that they don't have these feelings. Actually, they do but only in soccer.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,327 ✭✭✭Sykk


    Doc Ruby wrote: »
    These same people you call "teacher" were shoving men, women and children into the ovens by the million

    You're cute


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,975 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Min wrote: »
    If we didn't get German money we would be in a much worse state. He or she who pays calls the tune, unfortunately.
    We as a nation brought this mess on ourselves, the state allowed irresponsible borrowing encouraged by tax incentives and low interest rates, the interest rates were to suit Germany, but we had too much tax take based on once off payments and now we are changing that.
    The whole mess could have been avoided, no point blaming Germany though they hold some responsibility in terms of the interest rates and their banks lending to Irish banks.
    We should have controlled our banks with proper implementation of regulations which was ignored at the time.
    So Angela Merkel is not the problem, we created our own problem, it is Germany that has been left to try and solve it given their economic might.

    The Germans aren't solving it though, they are manipulating the process to their benefit as a creditor nation, just as it manipulated the currency to suit itself when it was a debtor nation.

    The French and Germans were the ones responsible for the flawed architecture of the Euro, it was their ideological vanity project to backdoor further integration, and a handy way of restoring German competitiveness by abandoning the high value DM.
    Germany then effectively managed the single currency as the DM 2.0, keeping interest rates ridiculously low because Germany, the first Eurozone country to breach the stability pact and exceed borrowing limits, needed to borrow and spend massive amounts of cash to pay off the costs of reunification while their economy bumped along the bottom with poor growth rates.
    We didn’t see much of the self sacrificing 'we need to do what's best for Europe' attitude from them at the time, as they watched on while other European economies began to badly over heat.
    Once the PIIGS went to the wall, how did the Bundesbank, sorry, ECB react? They tried to raise interest rates because the German’s were worried about inflation and the lumbered us with a bailout pegged at a vicious and punitive 6% interest rate (that only fell when Greece went to the wall and Germany began to worry about a default).
    At every turn they have frustrated any real attempt to resolve the crisis because it ran counter to German interests.
    They have been all gain (it actually costs investors to buy German debt at the moment and they low Euro exchange rate is a gift for their export sector), and no pain (there's a lot of talk about Germany funding bailouts, but it's not as if they are giving away money, they are lending it with intrest) during this crisis. The Germans have certainly never shown an ounce of self sacrifice or solidarity at any point during the Euro crisis. So it does beg the question, what the hell makes you think that a German solution to the problems that beset the currency will do anything for anybody else but Germany?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,533 ✭✭✭Jester252


    benwavner wrote: »
    I would get great pleasure in smacking Merkel with a sweaty sock right across that crazy face of hers.

    Stoopid Frauline.

    That how we will pay off the eurozone debt


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