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Ultra Street Fighter 4 Discussion Thread

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  • #3122
    chris mcmahon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 107 ✭✭chris mcmahon


    how much invincibility does backdashing offer you? i rarely use backdash at all (trying to incorporate it into my game now), but ive fought alot of people who backdash....constantly and things that shouldnt wiff, wiff and i get mashed.


  • #3123
    Sisko
    Registered Users Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭Sisko


    I'm liking chun's alt even though it looks exactly the same as a pc mod made last summer :p


    But its about time they added that. The different colours will look great imo


  • #3124
    GorySnake
    Registered Users Posts: 955 ✭✭✭GorySnake


    Great idea with the throwback to Alpha with Chun's alt, but Blanka looks terrible. His costume is way too distracting, how's he gonna look rolling left and right.


  • #3125
    bush
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,878 ✭✭✭bush


    GorySnake wrote: »
    how's he gonna look rolling left and right.

    Awesome?


  • #3126
    Placebo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,070 ✭✭✭Placebo


    chris mcmahon wrote: »
    how much invincibility does backdashing offer you? i rarely use backdash at all (trying to incorporate it into my game now), but ive fought alot of people who backdash....constantly and things that shouldnt wiff, wiff and i get mashed.

    back dashing is great for dive kick mashers like top tier terry
    or easy combo lovers like bush

    yeah take that *back dashes*


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  • #3127
    Doctor DooM
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 25,868 Mod ✭✭✭✭Doctor DooM


    You can be air thrown out of a back dash.


    Just so you all know.


  • #3128
    Placebo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,070 ✭✭✭Placebo


    WHAT THE F
    is there a video of this? smells of broken


  • #3129
    K.O.Kiki
    Registered Users Posts: 18,694 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    I reckon it's because back-dash is considered airborne, which is why it avoids low attacks and throws.
    However, even the slowest back-dash (Sim, Sagat @29f) would be too fast to consistenly air-throw.


  • #3130
    Doctor DooM
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 25,868 Mod ✭✭✭✭Doctor DooM


    Kiki is pretty much right.

    I have only ever landed it once on Sagat06 and I didn't even know what I did until much later.

    However I'd often throw out a late airthrow "just in case" as I'm landing so I suspect it might not be the last.

    You can also air throw someone who is crumpled.


  • #3131
    K.O.Kiki
    Registered Users Posts: 18,694 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    Might I say though, Sim's forward dash (32f) *IS* slow enough that I could Abel Ultra it on reaction.
    Think I did it to Kirby at least 4 times in a 9-game set.


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  • #3132
    Sagat06
    Registered Users Posts: 1,169 ✭✭✭Sagat06


    Doctor DooM wrote: »
    I have only ever landed it once on Sagat06.

    Always appreciate the acknowledgement man :P


  • #3133
    Doctor DooM
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 25,868 Mod ✭✭✭✭Doctor DooM


    Sagat06 wrote: »
    Always appreciate the acknowledgement man :P

    I acknowledge your contribution to the science of airthrology!


  • #3134
    Burning Eclipse
    Registered Users Posts: 2,943 ✭✭✭Burning Eclipse


    Doctor DooM wrote: »
    Kiki is pretty much right.

    I have only ever landed it once on Sagat06 and I didn't even know what I did until much later.

    However I'd often throw out a late airthrow "just in case" as I'm landing so I suspect it might not be the last.

    You can also air throw someone who is crumpled.

    Yes and yes! I've thrown backdashing characters quite a bit, but it's down to the way I play I guess. I noob-jump in, but don't attack, then mash throw while I land as it comes out instantly. Catch people backdashing a lot. Obviously this isn't practical as it's a terrible strategy. But it's good to know it works.


  • #3135
    Azza
    Moderators Posts: 5,554 ✭✭✭Azza


    Ken and Dan can't be air thrown out of a backdash as they have no airborne frames in their back dash. Besides this its an extremely rare occurance.

    As for invincibility, frames 1-8 are invinicble for all characters except Cammy who frames 1-6 are invincible and Dudley and El Feurte who's frames 1-7 are invincible.

    Sims's back dash is horride slow. Bison can option select Ultra 2 on jump in to punish it and his Ultra 2 is the slowest in the game.


  • #3136
    animaX
    Registered Users Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭animaX


    Placebo wrote: »
    back dashing is great for dive kick mashers like top tier terry

    Really? How was that working out for you?! :P

    I played Ian mcTetly the other night and he was back-dashing a lot but since balrog has such a quick backdash its effectively unpunishable (option select rufus ultra 2 doesn't work for example). I guess it all depends on which character is being used, some have good backdashes, others dont


  • #3137
    bush
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,878 ✭✭✭bush


    animaX wrote: »
    Really? How was that working out for you?! :P

    I played Ian mcTetly the other night and he was back-dashing a lot but since balrog has such a quick backdash its effectively unpunishable (option select rufus ultra 2 doesn't work for example). I guess it all depends on which character is being used, some have good backdashes, others dont

    I remember a rufus player using cr.jab sweep os on me before when I was using chun. Was realy annoying.


  • #3138
    Scavenger XIII
    Registered Users Posts: 1,966 ✭✭✭Scavenger XIII


    Option selects! Raaaawrgh! **foams at the mouth**


  • #3139
    Placebo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,070 ✭✭✭Placebo


    Bush80 wrote: »
    I remember a rufus player using cr.jab sweep os on me before when I was using chun. Was realy annoying.

    why must u tell top tier terry ?


  • #3140
    K.O.Kiki
    Registered Users Posts: 18,694 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    Bush80 wrote: »
    I remember a rufus player using cr.jab sweep os on me before when I was using chun. Was realy annoying.
    *steals*


  • #3141
    animaX
    Registered Users Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭animaX


    Placebo wrote: »
    why must u tell top tier terry ?

    You're getting that in our next set!


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  • #3142
    chris mcmahon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 107 ✭✭chris mcmahon


    so incorporating backdashes underpressure, good idea or bad idea?


  • #3143
    bush
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,878 ✭✭✭bush


    chris mcmahon wrote: »
    so incorporating backdashes underpressure, good idea or bad idea?

    Kens backdash isnt that good is it?


  • #3144
    chris mcmahon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 107 ✭✭chris mcmahon


    Bush80 wrote: »
    Kens backdash isnt that good is it?

    no, it feels quite slow to me, but if there is a benefit in using it, should i not start using it? i mean i literally never use it


  • #3145
    Placebo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,070 ✭✭✭Placebo


    you dont just randomly use it, chun li's is fast so i can use it when
    -waking up and opponent jumping in
    -tick then bash dash instead of throw
    -bait them and find there pattern and dash away

    practice on bush, he falls for it ;)


  • #3146
    bush
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,878 ✭✭✭bush


    Placebo wrote: »

    practice on bush, he falls for it ;)

    Lag ;)


  • #3147
    Yreval
    Registered Users Posts: 1,762 ✭✭✭Yreval


    http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=22544624&postcount=3666

    Some unused costume costume concepts, from the SSF4 artbook. Pretty much all of them are better than the existing alternate costumes.

    14060438.jpg


  • #3148
    Doctor DooM
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 25,868 Mod ✭✭✭✭Doctor DooM


    The Guy one is awesome.


  • #3149
    Blood-Martyr
    Registered Users Posts: 151 ✭✭Blood-Martyr


    Doctor DooM wrote: »
    The Guy one is awesome.

    It's Strider Hiryu isn't it. That would be awesome


  • #3150
    Doctor DooM
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 25,868 Mod ✭✭✭✭Doctor DooM


    Blood-Martyr wrote: »
    It's Strider Hiryu isn't it. That would be awesome

    Yup. It works so well with his moves too!


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  • #3151
    chopperbyrne
    Registered Users Posts: 10,968 ✭✭✭✭chopperbyrne


    One of the Cammy ones is pretty much just Rose Alt 1.


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