Sinn Fein- Never forget

Sinn Féin =/= IRA/Provos/RIRA/ whatever.

IMO it reflects quite well on Sinn Féin that small minded biggots like the OP have resorted to such foolishness and deception to try and scare people away from the Sinn Féin party.

It means they really are becoming a force in Irish politics, and people such as the OP are worried that they are overtaking the party that they themselves support, and turn to scaremongering.

TBH, FF, FG, Labour, PD's, Greens have all had their go at being in Government, and not one of them changed this country for the better.
While Sinn Féins policies are certainly fanciful, it would be interesting to see how they would act if in power, and what direction the country would go. I say why not give them a chance, and if they like the rest of the parties before them fail to make any sort of impact, then back down with them. I'd be more then a little sceptical of Sinn Féin making any significant difference to Irish politics if they did enter Government, but would be happy to see them have a go at fixing this mess we are in.

gaffer91 wrote: »

Don't you find too many normal Brits, never mind ones who condone the murder of Irish citizens running for election over here do you?



You must be joking. Particularly regarding the economics.

Sinn Fein had only a small level of involvement in the Easter Rising and had greater involvement in the political side after. Similarly with the troubles, SF were very small in the early days of the troubles. Their success was huge in the mid 90's onwards at a time when they were working to end the armed struggle and bring the brits to the negotiating table.

In terms of economics there have been some gaffs but the main points are exactly what I'm in favour of. Labour share a few points too but they will bend over for the Right.

gaffer91 wrote: »

Two things:
A. Godwinned.
B. You are aware the IRA had links with the nazis? Google Sean Russell. And while you're at it look up about Mary Lou's commemoration of him.

Sean Russell was in the old IRA, you can't possibly blame Gerry Adams and co. for an alleged link between Nazis and someone from war of independance!

DDC1990 wrote: »

Fúck the colouring book, get a history book.

your right so ill fix it

DDC1990 wrote: »

Sinn Féin =/= IRA/Provos/RIRA/ whatever.

IMO it reflects quite well on Sinn Féin that small minded biggots like the OP have resorted to such foolishness and deception to try and scare people away from the Sinn Féin party.

It means they really are becoming a force in Irish politics, and people such as the OP are worried that they are overtaking the party that they themselves support, and turn to scaremongering.

TBH, FF, FG, Labour, PD's, Greens have all had their go at being in Government, and not one of them changed this country for the better.
While Sinn Féins policies are certainly fanciful, it would be interesting to see how they would act if in power, and what direction the country would go. I say why not give them a chance, and if they like the rest of the parties before them fail to make any sort of impact, then back down with them. I'd be more then a little sceptical of Sinn Féin making any significant difference to Irish politics if they did enter Government, but would be happy to see them have a go at fixing this mess we are in.

If they increase cross-border cooperation and job creation, get us a better deal regarding European debt and some unemployment decrease that's enough for me.

gaffer91 wrote: »

On the internet recently(I think it was something to do with Egypt) I was reminded of the killing of Detective Garda Jerry McCabe by the IRA.

The 16th anniversary of his brutal slaying at the hands of IRA members occurs next week. As we see the seemingly unending rise in support for Sinn Fein, I think it is important to gently remind people, particularly young people who are seriously considering voting/giving a transfer to SF, that they are not at all as far removed from the yobs who terrorised people on both sides of the border (and both sides of the Irish Sea) as they'd have you believe. It is also important to remember that it was Martin Ferris who picked up the murderers (because this is what they are; they only received the manslaughter verdict because of witness intimidation as anyone familiar with the case knows) upon their unfairly premature release from prison in 2009. While SF would like to sweep these despicable actions under the rug, it is important that they are always kept fresh in people's minds.

When deciding whether or not to vote for SF, if you bear in mind their voodoo economics (it's amazing how far they think the pension reserve fund will stretch isn't it?), the bank robberies, the bombings, the murders of people like Robert McCartney (all of this not even 20 years ago), their questionable expenses and then still decide to vote for them, then I fear for you, and for this country.

While this thread serves to remind people of SF's disgraceful past, the question I want to ask is- when you bear all this in mind how does anyone vote for SF, never mind 1 in 5 voters?

Gosh, you really have a thing about Sinn Fein, don't you? And I assume you hold the hundreds of thousands of Irish people who vote for the party in the same contempt.

As for this sentence: "It is also important to remember that it was Martin Ferris who picked up the murderers (because this is what they are;" - it is easy to make such a libellous statement from behind the safety of mamma Internet's skirts, but I know you would never have the courage to make such a statement under your own name.

And isn't it time to let McCabe rest and stop using him as a political football? As sad as any death is, his was only one of thousands in a conflict with hundreds of causes, big and small. Unlike most of the other victims, he was armed with a deadly weapon, well trained in its use - and he was a killer himself, having shot a young man whose name I bet you forget. At least he had a chance to defend himself.:) Now let him rest in peace.

As for your question about why so many people vote for Sinn Fein, the answer is because not everyone is a member of the national cringe brigade and many of us have some sense of our nation's history and did not allow ourselves to be blindfolded and brainwashed during that dark period when Section 31 prevented one side of the arguments from being properly presented and the minds of many members of a whole generation were poisoned by the likes of Conor Cruise O´Brien, Hugh Leonard, Own Arse and so many others who would bring shame to the title "Judas sheep"..:rolleyes:

I have always voted Sinn Fein and supported their aims, and I always will and I will never apologise to anyone for it. Many other people think the same way and hopefully their numbers will swell.;)

It's called democracy. Live with it!!:rolleyes::rolleyes:

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

15 years? Notice how you cut the time period for relevance of murders :rolleyes:

The Nazis killed more people than the IRA but I'm not using that as a reason to vote no to austerity treaty am I?

I cut the the time period because I don't make present decisions based on the historical past. In a decade or so, should SF have shown that they have completely put that aspect of their past behind them, I'll consider voting for them. Not now though- only a few years after Sf members greeted the killers of gardai, and IRA members murdered people in their communities, north and south.

Your analogy is therefore daft, but that seems a common theme with SF supporters in thsi thread.