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OS X Yosemite (10.10) - News and Discussion

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    #92
    Zcott
    Registered Users Posts: 3,206 ✭✭✭Zcott


    Yep, I noticed a difference. Still the odd beachball on big apps but mostly runs pretty well. My machine only supports 3Gb/s which is a bit slower than new SSDs so I picked up a 120gb drive for £70 delivered iirc.


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    #93
    Sad Professor
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,668 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    A word of warning for anyone installing or running the DP: Don’t upgrade to iCloud Drive. Doing so will prevent apps in iOS 7 and Mavericks from syncing documents and data. There’s currently no way to downgrade, but I assume Apple will have to find a solution to this before releasing the public beta. Thankfully I only had a few apps using iCloud Documents and was able to switch to Dropbox easily enough. Dropbox is probably more reliable anyway.


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    #94
    kevteljeur
    Registered Users Posts: 1,287 ✭✭✭kevteljeur


    For what it's worth, I also saw some warnings about deleting of iCloud data for beta users, which happened on July 7th (and will likely happen again as new releases happen). It's worth bearing in mind that Apple considers data used by new features in beta software to be expendable. After all, if the data mattered, you wouldn't be using it with beta software...



    Kevin

    Sad Professor wrote: »
    A word of warning for anyone installing or running the DP: Don’t upgrade to iCloud Drive. Doing so will prevent apps in iOS 7 and Mavericks from syncing documents and data. There’s currently no way to downgrade, but I assume Apple will have to find a solution to this before releasing the public beta. Thankfully I only had a few apps using iCloud Documents and was able to switch to Dropbox easily enough. Dropbox is probably more reliable anyway.


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    #95
    Recondite49
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,004 ✭✭✭Recondite49


    kevteljeur wrote: »
    For what it's worth, I also saw some warnings about deleting of iCloud data for beta users, which happened on July 7th (and will likely happen again as new releases happen). It's worth bearing in mind that Apple considers data used by new features in beta software to be expendable. After all, if the data mattered, you wouldn't be using it with beta software...



    Kevin

    Amen to that Kev, please anyone bear in mind what this upstanding gent is saying. If you call Apple about this, all they will do is refer you to the developer website and remind you of the T&C to which you agreed when you installed the beta!


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    #96
    Sad Professor
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,668 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    I totally agree. However, I think you misunderstood my post. The wiping of CloudKit data that occured on Monday isn’t the issue, nor did I experience any data loss as a result. Such server wipes are normal during beta testing of new cloud services and shouldn’t result in data loss as iCloud will simply re-sync with your device’s local storage afterwards.

    The issue I experienced is that DP3 upgrades your iCloud account to support iCloud Drive and in doing so completely disables the Documents & Data service. That doesn’t mean data loss, it means loss of iCloud’s document syncing service, meaning apps like Byword and even Apple’s own iWork apps can no longer sync documents using iCloud.

    In fairness, upgrading to iCloud Drive is an option during the installation, but I don’t think Apple made the full implications of doing so clear. It’s not a huge issue for me as I don’t use Documents & Data for many apps and I can live without document syncing until the next server wipe, which I assume will reset everyone’s iCloud account. I was just warning anyone running the DP to be aware of this when installing.


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    #97
    kevteljeur
    Registered Users Posts: 1,287 ✭✭✭kevteljeur


    Sorry, that was intended as a helpful addendum, because some users might not be as aware of the fickle nature of developer releases. Apple routinely clears server data during beta release cycles, but they and developers tend to take that for granted, while that would be a bit of a shock for the casual user.

    I have no doubt that you know what you're about!



    Kevin

    Edit: I just reread my original post and realised that it did come off a bit 'holier than thou'; The remark about using beta software I intended as Apple's attitude towards their beta releases!

    I do think it's a fine line, which is why they didn't use to do this. However, their 10.x.0 releases have been buggy in real-world use, and since they are now free, I guess this is the trade-off.

    Sad Professor wrote: »
    I totally agree. However, I think you misunderstood my post. The wiping of CloudKit data that occured on Monday isn’t the issue, nor did I experience any data loss as a result. Such server wipes are normal during beta testing of new cloud services and shouldn’t result in data loss as iCloud will simply re-sync with your device’s local storage afterwards.

    The issue I experienced is that DP3 upgrades your iCloud account to support iCloud Drive and in doing so completely disables the Documents & Data service. That doesn’t mean data loss, it means loss of iCloud’s document syncing service, meaning apps like Byword and even Apple’s own iWork apps can no longer sync documents using iCloud.

    In fairness, upgrading to iCloud Drive is an option during the installation, but I don’t think Apple made the full implications of doing so clear. It’s not a huge issue for me as I don’t use Documents & Data for many apps and I can live without document syncing until the next server wipe, which I assume will reset everyone’s iCloud account. I was just warning anyone running the DP to be aware of this when installing.


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    #98
    Sad Professor
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,668 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    Public beta is being released tomorrow.

    If you haven't signed up yet you can do so here:

    https://appleseed.apple.com/sp/betaprogram/


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    #99
    FourFourRED
    Registered Users Posts: 8,539 ✭✭✭FourFourRED


    Sad Professor wrote: »
    Public beta is being released tomorrow.

    If you haven't signed up yet you can do so here:

    https://appleseed.apple.com/sp/betaprogram/

    Thanks for that

    https://twitter.com/fourfourred



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    #100
    MillField
    Registered Users Posts: 635 ✭✭✭MillField


    Has anyone downloaded Yosemite beta yet? I really like it, but it still has a bit to go in terms of stability.


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    #101
    miralize
    Registered Users Posts: 6,207 ✭✭✭miralize


    Been using it since Dp1. Easily the most stable over the last few years.


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    #102
    MillField
    Registered Users Posts: 635 ✭✭✭MillField


    miralize wrote: »
    Been using it since Dp1. Easily the most stable over the last few years.

    This is my first time running beta software for OS X, so I'm probably being a bit harsh! iOS 8 on the other hand has apparently had some of the most unstable beta versions in a few years I heard.


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    #103
    banquo
    Registered Users Posts: 9,487 ✭✭✭banquo


    Yeah, haven't heard much in the way of anyone using iOS 8 in beta really, then again anything would pale to the madness around 7 last year.


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    #104
    Zcott
    Registered Users Posts: 3,206 ✭✭✭Zcott


    I tried iOS 8 beta 1 and it was actually worse than iOS 7 beta 1...


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    #105
    miralize
    Registered Users Posts: 6,207 ✭✭✭miralize


    Ios8 was pretty rough initially but it's stable enough to use daily now


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    #106
    _Redzer_
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    After just getting my rMBP now, and already I can't wait for Yosemite. It feels like using iOS6 after you're used to iOS7.


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    #107
    chrislad
    Registered Users Posts: 8,324 ✭✭✭chrislad


    There were no features in iOS 8 that made me run out to get the beta. I can wait for release. That said, I'm glad I installed Yosemite on my new rMBP. It's much nicer looking that the previous OS, though I did only spend about 2 hours using it.


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    #108
    banquo
    Registered Users Posts: 9,487 ✭✭✭banquo


    On the new public beta. It's pretty good I have to say. In fact, I've been using it as my primary install all day and nothing has happened to suggest I'm running a beta. S'pretty smooth.*


    *Not unlike myself.


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    #109
    _Redzer_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,056 ✭✭✭_Redzer_


    banquo wrote: »
    On the new public beta. It's pretty good I have to say. In fact, I've been using it as my primary install all day and nothing has happened to suggest I'm running a beta. S'pretty smooth.*


    *Not unlike myself.

    I'm wondering if I should switch over to the beta. How's the battery life fairing? I'd imagine it's not as optimised as mavericks.


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    #110
    banquo
    Registered Users Posts: 9,487 ✭✭✭banquo


    It's not great. Not hugely worse than Mavericks, but noticeable.


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    #111
    banquo
    Registered Users Posts: 9,487 ✭✭✭banquo


    Whoops, Parallels 9 won't open at all now.


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    #112
    MillField
    Registered Users Posts: 635 ✭✭✭MillField


    Beta 2 seems to have improved things. Some nice little changes as well.


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