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Are you going to pay the household charge? [Part 1]

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  • #7292
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,568 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    alastair wrote: »
    Any word on how the HUGE bash at the national stadium is going?

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0324/householdcharge.html
    Around 3,000 people have attended a rally in Dublin to protest against the Household Charge.
    The event which was held in the National Stadium was organised by the group the Campaign against Household and Water Taxes.
    Activists travelled from various parts of the country to attend the event which was addressed by a number of TDs.
    Socialist Party TDs Joe Higgins and Clare Daly, Independent TD Seamus Healy, Richard Boyd Barrett, and Joan Collins were among the TDs present.
    Latest figures show that over 328,000 households have now paid or registered to pay the €100 Household Charge, with around 80% of those eligible for the charge still unaccounted for.

    A spokesperson for the agency tasked with collecting the levy said today that the volume of people making the payment is increasing on a daily basis.
    She said 328,201 applications have now been processed, but she said the actual number who have paid is higher as there is a backlog of postal payments that have to be sorted.
    The 328,000 represents around 20% of the 1.6 million eligible household who are liable for the charge.
    Householders have until 31 March to pay the charge without incurring any penalties.

    Around 100 local authority offices around the country will open their doors next Saturday in order to facilitate those who want to pay the levy.
    A spokesperson for the Department of the Environment confirmed today that teams will be knocking on doors once the deadline has passed informing householders that they are liable for the charge.


  • #7293
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    alastair wrote: »
    Any word on how the HUGE bash at the national stadium is going?

    Full to capacity.
    Onward and upward.


  • #7294
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    mikom wrote: »
    Full to capacity.
    Onward and upward.

    3,000 is a respectable showing for an event with the ambition to plan for 2,000. It's quite a poor show for those claiming over a million supporters for their position.


  • #7295
    MrMatisse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,743 ✭✭✭MrMatisse


    Tax evasion = Scum bag

    Not paying the household charge ( a tax) = hero

    Go figure,


  • #7296
    MrMatisse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,743 ✭✭✭MrMatisse


    mikom wrote: »
    Full to capacity.
    Onward and upward.

    you havnt even hit lift off. Theres 4m in the country.


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  • #7297
    YeatsCounty
    Registered Users Posts: 1,474 ✭✭✭YeatsCounty


    When I was back in Ireland in February, I phoned up on behalf of my Dad (he asked me to) & asked for the forms to be sent out. He got the forms eventually.......once he went to the post office and picked them up. They were sent out via City Post, who don't do deliveries to private residences AFAIK. I mean really, first you can't pay directly via the post office and now you may not even get your forms unless you have some business to take care of in the post office? I'm not in the country, so it doesn't affect me directly but it sure as hell affects my family.

    What an absolute shambles.


  • #7298
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    alastair wrote: »
    3,000 is a respectable showing for an event with the ambition to plan for 2,000. It's quite a poor show for those claiming over a million supporters for their position.

    Shur what else would you say.
    Keep pushing that boat out.......... you'll be in OZ soon....... like the rest.

    MrMatisse wrote: »
    you havnt even hit lift off. Theres 4m in the country.

    Tell that to Phil...... g'lad.


  • #7299
    MrMatisse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,743 ✭✭✭MrMatisse


    YeatsCounty wrote: »
    When I was back in Ireland in February, I phoned up on behalf of my Dad (he asked me to) & asked for the forms to be sent out. He got the forms eventually.......once he went to the post office and picked them up. They were sent out via City Post, who don't do deliveries to private residences AFAIK. I mean really, first you can't pay directly via the post office and now you may not even get your forms unless you have some business to take care of in the post office? I'm not in the country, so it doesn't affect me directly but it sure as hell affects my family.

    What an absolute shambles.

    get a credit card


  • #7300
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,419 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    alastair wrote: »
    Any word on how the HUGE bash at the national stadium is going?

    I would say it's going well, just watched the late last show, it was interesting. 80% still not registered. I'm not the only one who feels the money will not stay local. No one will end up in prison.


  • #7301
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    mikom wrote: »
    Shur what else would you say.

    What else is there to say? It looks bad.


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  • #7302
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    alastair wrote: »
    What else is there to say? It looks bad.

    Yep, 20% registered is pretty poor alright.


  • #7303
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    hondasam wrote: »
    I would say it's going well, just watched the late last show, it was interesting. 80% still not registered. I'm not the only one who feels the money will not stay local. No one will end up in prison.

    No one will end up in prison unless they act the maggot in front of a tetchy judge, but that's not to say you won't end up paying penalties - regardless of your feelings on where the money might go (hint - its laid out in law where it goes).


  • #7304
    YeatsCounty
    Registered Users Posts: 1,474 ✭✭✭YeatsCounty


    MrMatisse wrote: »
    get a credit card
    Meh. That's not the point of my post and you know it. Regardless of how people feel about this charge, it should be piss easy to pay it, not the convoluted mess it has become.


  • #7305
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,419 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    alastair wrote: »
    What else is there to say? It looks bad.

    Lets wait and see how many register before the deadline. I bet 50% will not register.


  • #7306
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    mikom wrote: »
    Yep, 20% registered is pretty poor alright.

    Difference is that it's only going to go up and up. This HUGE protest is the best this campaign will muster.


  • #7307
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,419 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    alastair wrote: »
    No one will end up in prison, but that's not to say won't end up paying penalties - regardless of your feelings on where the money might go (hint - its laid out in law where it goes).

    The law you keep banging on about, the money will not be spent on local amenities. If we don't pay the charge it's doubtful we will pay the penalties.


  • #7308
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    alastair wrote: »
    Difference is that it's only going to go up and up. This HUGE protest is the best this campaign will muster.

    You've probably not heard of the industrial action which may be in the offing.


  • #7309
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    hondasam wrote: »
    Lets wait and see how many register before the deadline. I bet 50% will not register.

    So do I. So does pretty much everyone. But thats not a problem since registration late works just as well, if bringing with it a small penalty.


  • #7310
    glasses16
    Registered Users Posts: 14 ✭glasses16


    I am not paying it, would have no problem paying it if it was going to stay at €100 per year, but reports have it that next year it will be over €1,000, definitely would not be able to afford that. Was anyone listening to Luke 'Ming@ on Late Late last night, he says its not for the councils at all but to prop up the banks and bondholders etc. and he rightly pointed out that when people bought their houses they paid stamp duty which is a property tax in itself. We are being hit with far too many charges and it is always the middle class who have to pay for the sins of the big boys and developers (Mahon Tribunal)! Time the ordinary citizens of this country stood up to them. Sorry, but I'm really annoyed especially following the revelations from the Mahon Tribunal these last couple of days:mad:


  • #7311
    force eleven
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,039 ✭✭✭force eleven


    So now the government is going to send 'teams' of enforcers, to remind people they must pay. What a ****ing joke! I never curse here but that made me laugh. How much will that cost??

    Scrap this stupid tax now, let them save face. Refund those who have paid.

    I am not paying and will never pay it. Until the unsecured bond debt is written off, forget it. I have to pay PAYE, Universal charge, VAT increases on virtually everything, a forthcoming property tax (ha!) septic tank charge ( I await this one with grim determination) and anything else so we can pay our masters off. I hate the IMF, but accept we have to pay up and get them out, but I do not have to pay the bondholders, and the household charge is definitely going to that in soome form, I do not accept anything the politicians who brought it in say.


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  • #7312
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    mikom wrote: »
    You've probably not heard of the industrial action which may be in the offing.

    You'll be waiting.


  • #7313
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    alastair wrote: »
    You'll be waiting.

    As will phil.......... with his big greasy auctioneers paw out.


  • #7314
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    force eleven wrote: »
    So noe the government is going to send 'teams' of enforcers, to remind people they must pay. What a ****ing joke!

    SS.
    Secret police.

    It's all coming up roses.


  • #7315
    MrMatisse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,743 ✭✭✭MrMatisse


    glasses16 wrote: »
    I am not paying it, would have no problem paying it if it was going to stay at €100 per year, but reports have it that next year it will be over €1,000, definitely would not be able to afford that. Was anyone listening to Luke 'Ming@ on Late Late last night, he says its not for the councils at all but to prop up the banks and bondholders etc. and he rightly pointed out that when people bought their houses they paid stamp duty which is a property tax in itself. We are being hit with far too many charges and it is always the middle class who have to pay for the sins of the big boys and developers (Mahon Tribunal)! Time the ordinary citizens of this country stood up to them. Sorry, but I'm really annoyed especially following the revelations from the Mahon Tribunal these last couple of days:mad:
    i see the pr people from the socialist party are now on boards. the failed little shindig must be over.

    tax evasion is tax evasion comrade


  • #7316
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    hondasam wrote: »
    The law you keep banging on about, the money will not be spent on local amenities. If we don't pay the charge it's doubtful we will pay the penalties.

    I pointed you towards the specific law which makes quite clear who the recipient of the charge is. I only keep banging on about because you fail to acknowledge the reality of the act. You'll pay the penalties and the charge because you're obliged to, and you can't hide.


  • #7317
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    MrMatisse wrote: »
    i see the pr people from the socialist party are now on boards. the failed little shindig must be over.

    tax evasion is tax evasion comrade

    *Lols at luiddite that has never heard of a smart phone*

    Save up your household charge and buy one buddy.


  • #7318
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,419 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    alastair wrote: »
    So do I. So does pretty much everyone. But thats not a problem since registration late works just as well, if bringing with it a small penalty.

    What will happen if we still refuse to pay regardless of people calling to the door or penalties?


  • #7319
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    mikom wrote: »
    *Lols at luiddite that has never heard of a smart phone*

    Save up you household charge and buy one buddy.

    A smart phone is all well and good, but the bash is still over.


  • #7320
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,419 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    alastair wrote: »
    I pointed you towards the specific law which makes quite clear who the recipient of the charge is. I only keep banging on about because you fail to acknowledge the reality of the act. You'll pay the penalties and the charge because you're obliged to, and you can't hide.

    I know you did but I and others still do not believe this will happen. How will we know where the money is spent? it's not as if the government is truthful to the people.


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  • #7321
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    alastair wrote: »
    A smart phone is all well and good, but the bash is still over.

    Roll on the Ard Fheis.


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