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What are your views on homosexuality?

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  • #62
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    Jakkass wrote: »
    Chimps have nothing to do with God's distinct plan for humankind.

    The Chimps might disagree .. but then I guess that is just another holy war brewing ...


  • #63
    JoeB-
    Registered Users Posts: 689 ✭✭✭JoeB-


    I see it as unfair that life tests different people in different ways... for example homosexuals have a more difficult time living a Christian (Catholic) life because the sexual urge is so strong in humans (due to Darwinism)... it would seem far easier for a hetrosexual to refrain from worshipping false gods and killing people than it is for a homosexual to live an absolutely celibate life.. don't forget, even the thoughts a gay person may have would be enough to consign them to hell... this seems unfair. (I may be wrong on the thoughts issue but presumabely it is worse to lust after a same sex partner than it is to lust after an opposite sex partner.. but can we even control what we think or feel?... It doesn't feel like it to me..)

    (An alternative way of putting this is that the gay people have an additional 'cross to bear' so to speak... I am of course presuming that there is, at least, some genetic component to homosexuality)

    It also seems unfair than some humans are born in a jungle somewhere where acts are commonplace that will cause God to torture them forever... there may be nobody to set them straight (not that I approve of missionary work)... so God has made it much more difficult for these jungle dwellers than he has for people who are born to heavily Catholic parents... (To say nothing of people born in ancient Greece for example who are doomed to worship a plethora of false Gods without realizing it, they are definitely hellbound)

    So is God fundementally unfair? It seems crazy to me that people can be guilty of crimes they have no concept of (homosexuality among jungle dwellers or cavemen).. or babies can be guilty of the crimes of their parents (no baptism)... etc etc


  • #64
    PDN
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,686 ✭✭✭✭PDN


    JoeBallantine wrote: »
    don't forget, even the thoughts a gay person may have would be enough to consign them to hell... this seems unfair. (I may be wrong on the thoughts issue but presumabely it is worse to lust after a same sex partner than it is to lust after an opposite sex partner.. but can we even control what we think or feel?... It doesn't feel like it to me..)

    It seems like your beef is with Catholicism rather than Christianity in general, since many of your points don't apply to non-Catholic Christians.

    However, I would think that Catholicism would not see lustful thoughts towards a member of the same sex as being any worse than lustful thoughts towards the opposite sex. That would certainly be my view.


  • #65
    graceface!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9 ✭graceface!


    It's an interesting debate, certainly... I don't really how we are supposed to have a proper discussion, though, if we all come in guns a-blazing with our pre-formed ideas we are not willing to really consider...

    Personally, I love a gay friend just the same way as I love a straight friend. In that sense, it doesn't make a difference. I agree with those here who have said that the above poll is over-simplistic and kinda restrictive in that most Christians - or indeed non-Christians - would not hold absolutely to either. It is not compatible with my beliefs to practice homosexuality, in an unrepentant manner (as in, denying it to be a sin at all), but TBH I think it is made out to be a much bigger issue than it really is.

    I know this point has been made in various ways before, but here we go again - a lot of things, actions, beliefs and patterns of behaviour, go against Biblical teaching. Of course it has been argued that people are born homosexual (a fact which, to the best of my knowledge - I am open to correction - has not been scientifically proven), but I don't see how this ultimately affects an empirical discussion of whether or not it is compatible with practising Christianity.

    People have many leanings that go against Biblical teaching which are not necessarily homosexuality - it is also a sin (and this is just the first example that springs to mind) to be violent, or to lash out at others in anger. Now, while I don't - fortunately - have an issue with violence, I have quite a predisposition to being ratty when the moods take me :D but however strong the urge is in me, I still have to acknowledge that it's wrong, and fight it. You may argue that this is not a valid analogy, since sexuality is bound to be a stronger leaning, but this is not necessarily the case and purely variant from person to person.

    Anyway, I'm blabbing too much now. I'll stop:p


  • #66
    Design_Dude
    Registered Users Posts: 397 ✭✭Design_Dude


    Hate the sin, not the sinner.


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  • #67
    Design_Dude
    Registered Users Posts: 397 ✭✭Design_Dude


    I have found that for most people who say theyre gay, there has always been something missing or odd in their childhood. Take for instance our only outspoken gay politician, Senator Norris, he was raised predominatitly by his aunt, and lacked a father figure throught his childhood. In my opinion him being gay is his way of wanting a male figure in his life, to compensate for the lack thereof. I know many examples similar to this and they all have the same symptoms.

    I believe that homosexuality is not natural and is a illness of the mind that can be cured.


  • #68
    Fanny Cradock
    Registered Users Posts: 10,245 ✭✭✭✭Fanny Cradock


    There was probably a time when I would have thought that myself. But it's a position I wouldn't now support. Whatever the reasons for homosexuality, I just don't see it boiling down to something as simple as not having a male figure in your childhood to keep the gay away, so to speak. A few anecdotal experiences of people who are gay and fit into the category you have outlined would probably be dwarfed by the number of gay people who grew up with an idealistic mother and father, or straight people who didn't have any father figure in their childhood.


  • #69
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    Design_Dude wrote: »
    I believe that homosexuality is not natural and is a illness of the mind that can be cured.

    Its ok, a lot of people say that about Christianity :cool:


  • #70
    Killaqueen!!!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,026 ✭✭✭Killaqueen!!!


    I know many gay people, and I get on fine with them. They're not very open about their sexuality and make a big deal about it so it's fine. They wouldn't be friends of mine but I think that when people question the idea of homophobia (I don't like that word but for simplicity sake..) they think we're all raving mad people who are waiting to burn gays at the stake. This is not true.

    I wouldn't call myself a very good Christian, so maybe this view isn't relevant, but to me it is unnatural to be a homosexual. I don't see how it is natural. God wants women and men to be together. Not men and men, not women and women. It's pretty clear. A man and a woman may come together in the eyes of God if they love each other. That is God's plan. Even if you don't believe in God, how is it normal to be a homosexual? If you think about it, nature/evolution forbids it too. If homosexuals were supposed to be together why would the biology forbid it? (As in there's no way to reproduce).

    I hope I don't offend anyone because although homosexuality to me is not right, it's not like taboo or anything, it's very common and as I said I know many gays. Unfortunately, my brother is gay also.

    Most gays are atheists. This makes it difficult, because I believe that nobody is born gay, and that it is either a phase or a result of a 'different' childhood. I don't like to use the word 'cure' but if they remain homosexual surely they can't be (and they don't want to be) part of God's world. In that case, I suppose it is their choice and there is no reason they should not be allowed to live a civilised partnership with someone like the rest of us..even if it is same sex. They cannot live a religious life however.


  • #71
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    Killaqueen!!! wrote: »
    Even if you don't believe in God, how is it normal to be a homosexual? If you think about it, nature/evolution forbids it too. If homosexuals were supposed to be together why would the biology forbid it? (As in there's no way to reproduce).

    Well considering nature causes it I'm not sure what you mean by forbid it.

    Using that logic nature "forbids" oral sex. I don't seem many Christians complaining about that
    Killaqueen!!! wrote: »
    Most gays are atheists. This makes it difficult, because I believe that nobody is born gay, and that it is either a phase or a result of a 'different' childhood.
    Wow, how could anyone possibly take offense at that ... :rolleyes:


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  • #72
    Design_Dude
    Registered Users Posts: 397 ✭✭Design_Dude


    Wicknight wrote: »
    Its ok, a lot of people say that about Christianity :cool:

    Only ignorant people say that. Anyone with any discretion, would respect it as a valid viewpoint


  • #73
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    Design_Dude wrote: »
    Only ignorant people say that. Anyone with any discretion, would respect it as a valid viewpoint

    Wow, you really walked straight into that ...


  • #74
    Dave!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,857 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    Design_Dude wrote: »
    Only ignorant people say that. Anyone with any discretion, would respect it as a valid viewpoint
    LOL, what a joke! :D


  • #75
    Ekancone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭Ekancone


    Design_Dude wrote: »
    Only ignorant people say that. Anyone with any discretion, would respect it as a valid viewpoint

    How is it anymore valid than, say, the flying spaghetti monster? (Who thinks that gays are confused pirates)


  • #76
    Design_Dude
    Registered Users Posts: 397 ✭✭Design_Dude


    daithifleming wrote: »
    How is it anymore valid than, say, the flying spaghetti monster? (Who thinks that gays are confused pirates)

    Because it natural to belive in a higher power, and that theres more to life than we can see.


  • #77
    Nerin
    Registered Users Posts: 10,523 ✭✭✭✭Nerin


    Quote:
    Originally Posted by daithifleming viewpost.gif
    How is it anymore valid than, say, the flying spaghetti monster? (Who thinks that gays are confused pirates)
    Originally Posted by Design_Dude
    Because it natural to belive in a higher power, and that theres more to life than we can see.
    that wasnt the question


  • #78
    Ekancone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭Ekancone


    Design_Dude wrote: »
    Because it natural to belive in a higher power, and that theres more to life than we can see.

    Once you are not gay, of course. Because they are confused, and confused people never seek a higher power. :cool:


  • #79
    Design_Dude
    Registered Users Posts: 397 ✭✭Design_Dude


    daithifleming wrote: »
    Once you are not gay, of course. Because they are confused, and confused people never seek a higher power. :cool:
    nerin wrote: »
    that wasnt the question

    What was the question then??


  • #80
    Nerin
    Registered Users Posts: 10,523 ✭✭✭✭Nerin


    How is it anymore valid than, say, the flying spaghetti monster?


  • #81
    homah_7ft
    Registered Users Posts: 6,121 ✭✭✭homah_7ft


    Jakkass wrote: »
    Also, masturbation generally comes with lustful thoughts. It's impossible to do so without.

    So you believe a christian marriage should involve drugs such as viagra?


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  • #82
    AckwelFoley
    Registered Users Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    Lol X 4 at the "Gayness is an illness of the mind and can be cured"

    Wow... :rolleyes:

    Im speechless


  • #83
    Nerin
    Registered Users Posts: 10,523 ✭✭✭✭Nerin


    Lol X 4 at the "Gayness is an illness of the mind and can be cured"

    Wow... rolleyes.gif

    Im speechless
    i know


  • #84
    AckwelFoley
    Registered Users Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    Also, masturbation generally comes with lustful thoughts. It's impossible to do so without

    Incorrect, the lustful thoughts come first... then the "sinning"

    I am a sinner


  • #85
    PDN
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,686 ✭✭✭✭PDN


    homah_7ft wrote: »
    So you believe a christian marriage should involve drugs such as viagra?

    If the husband is suffering from erectile dysfunction then I would think that the use of viagra or similar drugs would make very good sense. Most Christians I know would see a healthy sex life as promoting a good marriage.


  • #86
    lolipops
    Closed Accounts Posts: 113 ✭✭lolipops


    i personally dont see whats wrong with two human beings loving each other, :) and we are much more than our physical being, i think we all have a right to love who we want, although im not into that sort of thing i dont have a problem with it. and those who discriminate against gay people are generally ignorant.


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