Enterprise: Regeneration

MrBigglesworth · 26-05-2003 11:32pm #1

Thought that was a quality episode tonight on Sky!
Good way to get the auld enemy into the plotline!

spooky donkey · 26-05-2003 11:41pm

Yeah and they dident really mess it up at all. It all made sense.

Michael Collins · 26-05-2003 11:44pm

Dammit I can't resist it.....

The entertainment quality of that episode was good, above average for the series so far....but they just threw continunity out the window. Q introduces the borg to starfleet. NOT Archer! Q even says the borg are like "nothing you've ever faced before" to Picard. How annoying!

Actually I thought that episode was kinda predicatable. Much like most of the series. I hate going on a pissy fit about this but I think the arrogance of the writers is a little annoying. How dare they make a mockery of Star Trek!

bizmark · 26-05-2003 11:45pm

aye well though out plot for once

i must admit though the past 5 weeks has been good very good infact

this weeks show would have been better if they destroyed the borg crash site though and if the doctor didnt get infected and showed a treatment that was so easy to do

but it tited in well with the st history much better than i though it would when i first i heard of the story

keep it up enterprise !

Saruman · 27-05-2003 3:34pm

Some excellent TV last night.. first this trek ep then a fantastic Alias!

Anyway the Borg were introduced very well last night.. i was surprised!! It seems to be getting better. I had heard about the Borg in Enterprise and was shocked... did not think it would work bit it did...

To the fanatics who say stuff like

Q introduces the borg to starfleet. NOT Archer! Q even says the borg are like "nothing you've ever faced before" to Picard. How annoying!

tee hee...

This was thrown out the window in First Contact!!! Hell the ep last night tied in with first contact or did it escape your notice that the Borg sphere was the one Enterprise-E destroyed... these Borg are from the 24th century!!! They were not as advanced as that in this time period (see certain voyager eps!). The tie in with Zephram Cochrans speech was also good.

Oh just remember not once last night was there ever any mention of "The Borg". Only cybernetic lifeforms and the closest came when they said "you will be assimilated" there was no "we are the Borg!".

So it was done very well and in some ways had to be!! Enterprise could not have destroyed every scrap of the sphere after all so at some point someone had to find something, even if its only debris and some bodies... oh wait thats what happened last night

Michael Collins · 27-05-2003 5:32pm

Hmm point taken Saruman, I suppose I am being fanatical. Yeh I guess they fited it in the best way they could. Still, I hope they don't overdo it with the borg or other races, like Voyager tended to do. A well roll on some equally good if not better episodes...

Sloth · 27-05-2003 5:34pm

I thought it was a pretty damned good episode last night but I'd just point out that this is the second time they've gotten away with being able to put species that weren't meant to be seen until Picard's time by not using their names directly, the same thing happened in the episode with the ferengi, they were never called ferengi but they obviously were.
As for the whole Q thing, that episode of TNG where they first meet the borg makes perfect sense now, Q was only showing Starfleet what was on the way, he didn't tell the borg to attack earth in fact he was giving everyone an early warning to what was on the way. Even if it was all a temporal paradox again

Spock · 27-05-2003 8:35pm

Q was just trying to show Picard that he wasn't prepared for every thing, thats why in introduced picard to the borg in the Delta Quad, then Woopi Goldberg said "now that they know of your exsitence they'll come for you".Implieing that the borg didnt know of there exsitence at that point.
It was Q who led the Borg to earth.
Picard did a pretty crappy job of cleaning up after First Contact.

But what a great ep last night, really bril

bizmark · 27-05-2003 10:18pm

Woopi Goldberg said "now that they know of your exsitence they'll come for you".Implieing that the borg didnt know of there exsitence at that point.

no that just implies that a bar tender on board a fed ship didnt know of starfleets earlyer meetings with the borg (not suppriseing seeming even picard didnt know)

Saruman · 28-05-2003 11:16am

thats why in introduced picard to the borg in the Delta Quad,

Eh... What? The Enterprise has never been to the Delta Quadrant that i know of... Q sent them light years away but not that far... Nor has Guinan been to the Delta Quadrant, her species were not from there at all they just came from further away than the Federation had been thats all.

Look at the end of the day its a TV show. plain and simple... They saw an oppertunity to make a good ep and tied it together as best they could. Fair play to them as its the best i have seen in a while... lets hope the next one is as good

bizmark · 28-05-2003 10:21pm

yep the enterprise D was sent around half way to the delta quad somewhere around the middle of the beta quad

whoopys specias where nearly destroyed by the borg thats how she knew of them

Stark · 28-05-2003 10:28pm

I thought it was really good.

Originally posted by Michael Collins
Dammit I can't resist it.....

The entertainment quality of that episode was good, above average for the series so far....but they just threw continunity out the window. Q introduces the borg to starfleet. NOT Archer! Q even says the borg are like "nothing you've ever faced before" to Picard. How annoying!

Actually I thought that episode was kinda predicatable. Much like most of the series. I hate going on a pissy fit about this but I think the arrogance of the writers is a little annoying. How dare they make a mockery of Star Trek!

The first encounter with the Borg in TNG was when outposts were attacked along the neutral zone and the federation thought it was the romulans and vica versa. When they saw the extent of the destruction they realised they were dealing with an unknown enemy. And of course Seven Of Nine's parents were investigating the Borg, so the Federation must have known about them, perhaps in obscure research bases, just Picard didn't recognise the connection at the time. No doubt once he got back, star fleet dug up their documents. They did have a much better knowledge the second time round (remember Commander Shelby knew loads that Picard didn't know?). So in fairness, continuity wasn't broken.

The whole point of Enterprise was to wow us with obscure connections between events that we previously wouldn't have thought of (unfortunately last night's episode was the only example of that).

Clover · 29-05-2003 12:56am

i have too say that i enjoyed regeneration + i have enjoyed enterprise so far. the music at the start is great;) my kids love it.

the borg tie in was great and please god the rest of the series is as entertaning.

bizmark · 29-05-2003 1:10am

i hear in 2 weeks t,pol will be "in heat" basicly ......... so dont let you kids watch that one (is this really how we want st to go ??? i know i dont if i want to watch soft porn ill watch mile high)

Saruman · 29-05-2003 11:43am

Originally posted by bizmark
yep the enterprise D was sent around half way to the delta quad somewhere around the middle of the beta quad

whoopys specias where nearly destroyed by the borg thats how she knew of them

Yeah that sounds right.. i was sure they had never actually been to the Delta Quad itself

billy the squid · 29-05-2003 4:03pm

The hansons were investigating the borg before picard met them so who is to say that the federation did already know about them. and locked all their information in a section 31 database.

Another thing In star trek Generations the Enterprise B rescued some EL Aurian refugees. Surely they would have brought tales of the borg back to kirks era.

Q did say that picard would meet the borg sooner or later only picard thought his encounter with them triggered them to come to earth in "The best of both Worlds" whereas infact the borg who got off the arctic circle sending the message to the delta quadrant triggered the borg to come to earth.

For all we know the cube that Q introduced Picard into was en route to earth.

It would make an interesting plot line if this borg encounter lead to the foundation of Section 31

bizmark · 29-05-2003 10:50pm

the Q love earth and humans they see in humans something they never will be they also already now humans will become far more powerful than the Q

it seems likely that the Q helped humans by showing them the borg

seems kinda likely

the plain fact that the Q have saved earth 2 times (the borg by giveing the fed around 1-2 years to defend themselfs and the "best of both worlds" space thingy that would have destroyed earth in pre-history) shows a great interest in the human race

this make sence to anyone but me?:p

Stark · 31-05-2003 1:40pm

by the "best of both worlds space thingy" you mean the anomaly in the finale episode. It was Q that caused it to be created in the first place by allowing Picard to exist in 3 time periods at once so by probing the same area of space in 3 time periods the anomaly would be created.

sceptre · 01-06-2003 5:25pm

Originally posted by bizmark
i want to watch soft porn ill watch mile high)

Ah, but something has to keep you going till September

bizmark · 01-06-2003 11:07pm

good point:D

Lyconix · 03-06-2003 6:27pm

Someone complained about continuity, that Q first introduced humanity to the Borg, and so on.

Well, supposing this is a new timeline, set about by the Temporal Cold War, or Picard's time travel to stop the Borg preventing first contact, or something to that effect.

Unlikely perhaps, but a possibility none-the-less

Oh, and for the record... it would be appreciated if spoilers were kept out of thread titles. I spotted one entitled "Borg in Enterprise - Regeneration" a while before the episode even aired on Sky One. A minor giveaway, given that this becomes apparent at the beginning of the show, but regardless...

Woden · 05-06-2003 1:45am

i thought the episode was good and nicely done, though there was a few weaknesses in the plot i thought, the fact that the doctor gets infected and was cured was one as mentioned also when archer and reed are on the ship they get a good few shots off against the borg before they adapt, while on the ship they adapt quite quick fair enough as they are interconnected and all that, however IIRC archer and reed managed to kill some borg in a scene after the ones on the ship have adapted (must be something to do with the way it was edited together of course and actually that took place simultaneously or before the shooting of the borg on the ship

) also reed said it would take a number of seconds for the enhanced phasers to 'charge' between shots and they seemed to be firing them off fairly rapidly at one stage and also it seems a mircle that reed doesn't get infected by that borg that pins him damn he was lucky.

Other then that it was fine though

Stark · 06-06-2003 11:33am

I think it was easy to cure the doctor because he had a non-human immune system or something. Perhaps omicron radiation would have fried a human as well.

Yeah I thought that was really stupid, Reed and Archer being able to get around 10 shots each with 22nd century non-adapting phasers, considering how little shots the 24th century Enterprise crew managed to get in (and that was against early 24th century Borg, they became a lot more powerful in Voyager).

Woden · 06-06-2003 10:04pm

yeah i'm with the reason why the doctor could be cured and all that but i just think its convienent that he's the one who is infected, i know its been kinda done before in first contact but it would have been better if archer had to kill one of his own crew members that had become effected for the greater good and all that. or perhaps not have been able to kill one of his crewmen which in turned infected another and made archer wished he should have killed the first crew member originally (i suppose they can't just kill off crew members on such a small ship)

seamus · 06-06-2003 10:20pm

IMO, this episode actually did a good job of cleaning up. The Borg got stronger and stronger as Voyager went on, i.e. Transwarp hubs, the huge 'Borg Stations' in space, etc, but surely this stuff didn't pop up overnight.....so...

Originally posted by fcddunne
The hansons were investigating the borg before picard met them so who is to say that the federation did already know about them. and locked all their information in a section 31 database.

Another thing In star trek Generations the Enterprise B rescued some EL Aurian refugees. Surely they would have brought tales of the borg back to kirks era.

I thought it was made quite clear in Voyager, that there were only rumours of the Borg, i.e. Starfleet never took them seriously. The Hansens left on their expedition without Starfleet backing, and had never relayed any findings back to Starfleet. They would have been captured about 10 years before Picard first came upon the Borg cube. So Starleet knew nothing.

Q did say that picard would meet the borg sooner or later only picard thought his encounter with them triggered them to come to earth in "The best of both Worlds" whereas infact the borg who got off the arctic circle sending the message to the delta quadrant triggered the borg to come to earth.

For all we know the cube that Q introduced Picard into was en route to earth.

This is what I think. Even though it wasn't intended when the Borg were first introduced in TNG, it was easy to adapt later storylines in. What was a lone Borg cube doing travelling across the Galaxy? Q didn't transport the Enterprise D very far from Federation Space, where they came upon a lone cube. IIRC it was the end of that series, ie less than a year later when the Borg arrived in Federation space. Thus when Archer said it would be the 24th century before the Borg could arrive, it cleared up this - the cube was already en route to earth. Kind of like creating a history to fit the circumstances of the present.

I've thought about this too much

Stark · 07-06-2003 6:38pm

Plus the enterprise's crew's first gut feeling in "best of both worlds" was that the cube they encountered was the same cube they encountered with cube.

BuffyBot · 09-06-2003 9:48am

Originally posted by Dataisgod
(i suppose they can't just kill off crew members on such a small ship)

Never stopped them on Voyager

Stark · 09-06-2003 10:07am

true, they lost sh*t loads of crewmembers for a ship of 150. Even had to pick up extra crewmembers along the way

In practically every episode someone got killed by an exploding console. They really should fix that problem, where's the health and safety officer on voyager?

Enterprise: Regeneration

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