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Pedobear and other child porn innuendos.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,438 ✭✭✭TwoShedsJackson


    Some people are thinking about the children far too much.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,166 ✭✭✭enda1


    In my opinion, I think its beneficial to society to make jokes abut rape, child porn, incest etc. etc., about any taboos.

    For too long has any mention of these types of taboo been swept under the carpet to such an extent that it was believed impossible that a "man of the cloth" could molest a child, and thus the child be sent back to the priest to apologise for accusing him - and further subjected to abuse. See here
    The court heard that when one boy told his parents about the abuse, they viciously beat him. “How can you say that about a man of God, a man of the cloth?” they asked him before sending him back down to Walsh who again molested him.

    Now that these subjects are entering society albeit in the form of comedic entertainment, still, I think its important in making it clear that this type thing exists and needs not be ignored or believed impossible.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,770 ✭✭✭Bottle_of_Smoke


    I thought the general theme of Pedobear was a mockery of the hysteria surrounding child abuse. That rather than the man offering sweets to kids from a van the pedo could be this cute friendly bear.

    I've seen one pedobear pic I thought was a bit sick but it was in the continuity lolocaust forum

    Also agreed that buttsecks photo should have been pulled from YLYL, though not complaining because I didn't bother reporting it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,199 ✭✭✭twinQuins


    The pedobear meme originates from /b/ (the character is ultimately from 2channel, however), where yes, paedophilia is very much a joke.

    That said, I have no problem with it. I understand it may be unsuitable for most forums but no doubt there are a few where it would be fine.

    If people are content to make fun of Muslims (to pick a well known example) under the aphorism of "either everything is okay to make fun of or nothing is" then I would expect them to have no problem with this.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 105 ✭✭Yo Buddy. You still alive?


    Tallon wrote: »
    If you don't want to interact with a 'kid' like me and only mods and admins then post this in HD

    Oh, and stop being a dick


    Hold up there buddy. You obviously have know idea what it is like to have lost Gods love. To have been discarded by him and to have him no longer look at you, to feel his love!!!

    I can't really remember the speech from Dogma, the film, but the premise is apt :D


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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,042 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    As far as I know, pedobear hasn't leapt off the web page and raped an actual child.

    No, but he was adapted for the silver screen


  • Registered Users Posts: 26,061 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    As far as I know, pedobear hasn't leapt off the web page and raped an actual child. When he does I'll start considering it harmful. It doesn't condone child abuse, it doesn't encourage child abuse and it doesn't make people more likely to abuse children, hence why I view it as harmless or at least relatively speaking.
    I'd view that as akin to saying that the dude with cp on his hard drive hasn't physically abused any children.

    You could make the argument that he hasn't actually touched children in a bad way, but he is still contributing to the explitation of children by downloading pics and vids of children being abused, thus pumping more money towards those who make a living from ****ing kids.

    Overheal wrote: »
    Is it too late to reference the semi-nude photo of yourself that is still floating around After Hours somewheres? A public forum and a pubic photo in public (allegedly) no less for a charity that supported children.

    So I am a bit surprised and forgive me that this thread is coming from you, Terry, as if out of the blue. You had another thread recently where you wanted to instigate the same annual tradition for the 3rd year in a row. My point being what exactly would you determine is The Line when it comes to Boards' public forums?
    I may be quite immature mentally, but I am a grown man.
    I'm quite capable of distinguishing the difference between naked adults and naked children.

    The picture in question was one of a grown man, and not fodder for paedophiles.
    Not fodder for anyone really, but that's a different story, and I have no idea whay you would even associate the two.

    As for looking for AH mods to do the same, well, they're AH mods. They are not children.
    It's not like I went to the Junior Cert forum looking for 15 year olds to get naked. We're talking about grown men and women here. Not children.

    I'm a little surprised by this thread especially considering who the op is. I think that most people would be far more offended by the infamous pic of the op than they would by pedobear, a character that outside internet forum boards is relatively unknown.
    Anyone who is more offended by a naked, ugly fat man than a child being molested really needs their head checked.

    I do not deny for one minute that my naked body may have caused nightmares, but it was semi-legal and was covered by several warnings.
    You did not have to look at it.
    On the other hand, several people have pedobear as their avatar. As far as I'm concerned, this is disgusting.
    More later.

    snyper wrote: »
    Yea, that whole pedobear child rape thing needs to be stamped out.

    Clearly



    Bottom line,

    Pedobear ≠ pedophilia
    Pedobear ≠ finding the rape of a child funny.


    Im alot of things but im not a fcuking animal, but i do reserve the right to hold an abstract sence of humour.

    To quote you;
    Pedobear ≠ pedophilia
    Pedobear ≠ finding the rape of a child funny.

    Yet you regularly make jokes about being a paedophile and molesting children.
    Excuse me if I don't take your feedback seriously, as you seem to find the violation of children funny and many of your posts make refer to you abusing children.

    You are a member of several forums which allow such things, but you continue to allude to the fact that you engage in paedophilia yourself here on boards.

    I'm sure you're proud of that, but I really do not think that boards should cater to that, and this is why I started this thread.
    Morkarleth wrote: »
    The pedobear meme originates from /b/ (the character is ultimately from 2channel, however), where yes, paedophilia is very much a joke.

    That said, I have no problem with it. I understand it may be unsuitable for most forums but no doubt there are a few where it would be fine.

    If people are content to make fun of Muslims (to pick a well known example) under the aphorism of "either everything is okay to make fun of or nothing is" then I would expect them to have no problem with this.
    As much as I like the philosophy of Parker and Stone, I disagree with their 'everything or nothing' view on things.

    There are things which should never be mocked. Child abuse is one of those things.
    I'm not trying to be a moral guardian on what should and should not be mocked, but I do stand firm on the fact that child abuse should never be something to joke about, and that's where pedobear comes into play (no pun intended).

    What you have here is an image which may have first been used to promote anti-child abuse agendas, but has since become a disgusting promotion of the mockery of people who have suffered from child abuse.

    Yes, pedobear, as a cartoon character has never touched a child, but it does represent paedophilia in a manner which some find harmless.
    Child sexual abuse is not harmless, and it never will be.

    For those who find it humourous, I worry for you and the fate of your children.
    You people sicken me.


  • Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭ Crosby Wooden Steamroller


    Terry wrote: »
    Anyone who is more offended by a naked, ugly fat man than a child being molested really needs their head checked.

    I do not deny for one minute that my naked body may have caused nightmares, but it was semi-legal and was covered by several warnings.
    You did not have to look at it.
    On the other hand, several people have pedobear as their avatar. As far as I'm concerned, this is disgusting.
    More later.

    The point is that by having pedobear as your avatar or posting a pic of him you are not posting any images of a child being molested. To even try to argue that posting pedobear is embracing or saying that the act of child abuse is acceptable is ludicrous.

    Humour is a natural defence, people resort to making jokes when dealing with subjects such as death, child abuse, etc. By doing so does not mean that you find it acceptable or embrace it. I may laugh at pedobear jokes but that does not mean that I believe child abuse to be acceptable.


  • Moderators Posts: 51,683 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Terry wrote: »
    I'd view that as akin to saying that the dude with cp on his hard drive hasn't physically abused any children.

    You could make the argument that he hasn't actually touched children in a bad way, but he is still contributing to the explitation of children by downloading pics and vids of children being abused, thus pumping more money towards those who make a living from ****ing kids.

    They're in no way similar. To produce the cp somewhere along the line it's quite probable that a kid was abused in some way.

    How the hell does posting a pic of pedobear even come close to be being thought in the same way. The use of pedobear in no way condones child abuse, but you to seem to think that it does.
    For those who find it humourous, I worry for you and the fate of your children.
    You people sicken me.
    And as for this comment, what the hell has pedobear got to do with the safety of any posters children. I think that's a terrible insinuation to make about any person on boards and quite honestly I think you should apologise for that comment.

    Feel free to correct me on what you actually meant by that comment if I've misunderstood you.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • Registered Users Posts: 81,133 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


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    Terry wrote:
    Anyone who is more offended by a naked, ugly fat man than a child being molested really needs their head checked.
    Interesting, was it a picture of child pornography or a "buttsecks" photo. Because of the 3 things you're actually talking about: A picture of Child Pornography, A photo of a naked man, and a photo of a pedobear meme or similar, I rate them in that same order of vulgarity. 2 girls 1 cup is in there somewhere too. Arguably none of those things belong in AH or Cool Vids.
    I'd view that as akin to saying that the dude with cp on his hard drive hasn't physically abused any children.
    Except that for our purposes, the ownership of childporn is in fact illegal.
    As for looking for AH mods to do the same, well, they're AH mods. They are not children.
    It's not like I went to the Junior Cert forum looking for 15 year olds to get naked. We're talking about grown men and women here. Not children.
    Yet still within the parameters of a public forum: the context of your OP "crap allowed on public forums on boards". I argue that if you think the pedobear should stay in nein11 I'm fine with that but you also have to accept this fake-or-not nude photo business needs to go private also.
    As much as I like the philosophy of Parker and Stone, I disagree with their 'everything or nothing' view on things.

    There are things which should never be mocked. Child abuse is one of those things.
    I'm not trying to be a moral guardian on what should and should not be mocked, but I do stand firm on the fact that child abuse should never be something to joke about, and that's where pedobear comes into play (no pun intended).
    I don't think Child Molestation would be as active a topic within online communities if it weren't for Pedobear. Parker and Stone both know that through humour we end up talking about things. So did Dave Chappelle, and a hundred others before them. You know there are actually some topics one can be educated on by watching South Park? Far out there, I know. And don't forget that violence and film and movies used to be really conservative, but then again so was our understanding of War.
    For those who find it humourous, I worry for you and the fate of your children.
    You people sicken me.
    Such anger and bile: I have to ask what the hell hath set you off? At least when I blew my lid about the US-bigotry everybody saw it coming. This is strong and sudden for you.


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  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,033 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    Terry wrote: »
    I'd view that as akin to saying that the dude with cp on his hard drive hasn't physically abused any children.

    You could make the argument that he hasn't actually touched children in a bad way, but he is still contributing to the explitation of children by downloading pics and vids of children being abused, thus pumping more money towards those who make a living from ****ing kids.

    While this is true where does pedobear fit in here. I'm saying that pedobear is relatively harmless and you're saying that someone having cp on their computer isn't harmless. You haven't proved any of my points incorrect, you just proved that someone who has cp is contributing to the exploitation of kids.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,199 ✭✭✭twinQuins


    Terry wrote: »
    As much as I like the philosophy of Parker and Stone, I disagree with their 'everything or nothing' view on things.

    As do I but no doubt we'll get people who will defend one thing on that basis and criticise this. The lack of consistency is maddening.

    Personally, I don't care. Once you're not directly harming anyone it should be allowed.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    Terry wrote: »
    I'd view that To quote you;
    Pedobear ≠ pedophilia
    Pedobear ≠ finding the rape of a child funny.

    Yet you regularly make jokes about being a paedophile and molesting children.
    Excuse me if I don't take your feedback seriously, as you seem to find the violation of children funny and many of your posts make refer to you abusing children.

    You are a member of several forums which allow such things, but you continue to allude to the fact that you engage in paedophilia yourself here on boards.

    I'm sure you're proud of that, but I really do not think that boards should cater to that, and this is why I started this thread.

    hin
    .

    You are wrong im afraid terry on many assumptions. However if you want to become personal about it you, yourself have a reputation of posting threads on boards while drunk, and boasting / insinuating that you are an alcoholic,so perhaps you might forgive me if i too dont take your opinion too seriously.

    You might assume that because your complaint is being received with little interest that we are either all paedophiles, or perhaps you are just being a dick

    If this post of mine is subject to a ban i shall accpet it. However on my time here on boards i dont think ive been insulted quite as much.
    I think most right thinking people would know me better - regardless of jokes or comments in certain forums, however i might have to accept that i may have over estimated you intelligence.

    The arguement you have is one thing, and you are well entitled to hold it. It however stops being valid when you dont use your head and decide for what ever reason to make this a personal vendetta against myself.

    Since i joined i have not received as much as a warning for any of these "jokes", furthermore of all the members that have read them over the years i have yet to receive a single pm or negative remark, as i will assume they were taken at face value as a joke and in context.

    Im disappointed to be honest terry, i like you, but after your last little outburst - no


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,569 ✭✭✭✭Tallon


    snyper wrote: »
    You are wrong im afraid terry on many assumptions. However if you want to become personal about it you, yourself have a reputation of posting threads on boards while drunk, and boasting / insinuating that you are an alcholic, you might for give me if i too dont take your opinion too seriously.

    You might assume that because your complaint is being received with little interest that we are either all pedophiles, or you are just being a dick

    Going by the thanks on my post and the unneccesary comment towards me, this would seem the case


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,379 ✭✭✭Smcgie


    I call for a pedobear poll..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,840 ✭✭✭Dav


    OK, enough. Terry, I think it's very clear that everyone here knows Snyper has always been joking and I honestly don't recall anyone ever reporting his posts as being out of order because they were so clearly meant as humour. The man has come to beers, introduced himself, and has posted pictures of himself on this site. Are those the actions of someone who actually supports these practices?

    [edit]
    I also don't think the AH Mods "naked pics for charity" thing has any relevance here either folks tbh.

    Tit-for-tat arguements over who's the most offensive person or who's done what is not what this thread was started for.

    So following on from oscarBravo's earlier note to keep things civil, this is the last warning to stick to the topic and not to indulge in personal attacks.

    So Terry, if you think these topics should have no home on Boards.ie, then you were right to start this thread. I would ask why you've waited this long to post about it - I don't recall it being an issue for you before, but I'm open to correction. It also seems quite a few people agree with you and, I think I do too to a point. However, in my opinion, your interpretation of what Pedobear stands for is *way* off the mark. I don't know how it equates to supporting paedophilia at all.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,496 ✭✭✭Mr. Presentable


    And I thought "Pedo" was a latin prefix meaning "Feet".

    Or is there no longer a sitewide requirement for the use of English as the standard language?

    "Paedo" is a Greek prefix meaning "child". Is this what is intended. Man, Americans have screwed the language to the point ancient classical languages have become a shortlettered blur.

    Or am I a Paedant? ;)

    On topic, there is no legislating for taste or sensibility. One man's gentle ribbing is another's outrageous slur (check the Soccer forum for examples :)). Subjects such as outlined by valued contributor Terry are tightrope walkers, and in my opinion should be mandated to the general user, thus censored only if felt to be generally offensive rather than specifically so.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,315 ✭✭✭Jazzy


    Terry wrote: »
    As much as I like the philosophy of Parker and Stone, I disagree with their 'everything or nothing' view on things.

    Terrys sig:
    If everything isn't black and white, I say, "Why the hell not?"


    me thinks your personal dislike is getting in the way of the logic


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,392 ✭✭✭TequilaMockingBird


    Snyper, I haven't contacted you directly about it, but I did once PM DeVore when you had offered to do something (can't remember what) for SSF, saying I thought it was inappropriate, given your penchant for joking about paedophilia, and the fact that the charity involves children. He didn't agree with me.

    Just a FYI, that perhaps not everyone who hates it is going to contact you.

    I am obviously in a minority, but I think it's crass and tasteless.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    Snyper, I haven't contacted you directly about it, but I did once PM DeVore when you had offered to do something (can't remember what) for SSF, saying I thought it was inappropriate, given your penchant for joking about paedophilia, and the fact that the charity involves children. He didn't agree with me.

    Just a FYI, that perhaps not everyone who hates it is going to contact you.

    I am obviously in a minority, but I think it's crass and tasteless.
    -

    I accept that not everyone that dislikes that type of humour and finds it offensive will make a point of it. Ironically, i disagree with you that you are in a minority infact i would think that most people wouldnt find a joke about Michael Jackson funny - i do.

    If there is thread about a local situation in this country about a rape or case of pedophilia, you wont see a joke from me, if you search through it enough you will see what my real opinion about pedophiles and rapists are- I am one who harbours alot of anger toward certain types of people, rapists and people who harm children in any way are those that push my buttons - Larry Murphy - while all the media hype has died down, angers me - but i have learned through the years to deflect thinking about things like this too much by joking about them.

    Joking about things is my way of dealing with things-

    A person very very close to me was raped some years ago - another close friend, was molested by their grandfather many times when she was a child. Sitting drinking socially in at home, listening to their storys went beyond anger - i cried.

    I cried that i had such a fortunate upbringing i am blessed that i was insulated from things like this - i have to deal with it by making light of it - other wise it eats me up inside. Im not using this as a qualification that i understand - i cant even begin to - but its certainly not a case that im unaware of it and dont have to in some way deal with it without wanting to find that person and kill them.

    I have bi polar depression, ive been close to the door of suiside on a number of occasions (thankfully years ago) and ive been to Hospital at my lowest point. I choose to on certain occasions make jokes about suicide, and "Mental" Hospitals, because i have to. I have been critisised for it, but if you have walked in my shoes you would understand the "what ever works for you" excuse. Ive been very open about my depression, and ive often had pm's sent to me by members of the site that asked me for some advice, and ive always always helped -


    Look, most of the "Snyper" pedo rapist stuff that is posted now doesnt come from me - its as if any time there is a thread about a child or a rape in AH the "where's snyper" reply is given.

    I do appreciate that it's crass and tasteless to some / many, but ive found that i just need to find an escape in things. If i dont that guy inside me that starts punching walls and putting my fist through doors starts to win again - my prsi contributions dont cover hospital visits anymore.

    Again, if ive offended you, i apologise - im not offering excuses to appease anyone, you can take what ive said here as a mere excuse, but the one thing i have always been when making a serious point (even on the internet) is sincere.

    Perhaps the way i am isnt the best way to make friends or endear people toward me - having been through my battles with my own head and my own self confidence issues ive learned to disregard the negatives and embrace the positive feedback, as ive got older ive learned to manage both the good and bad, but ive done alright, ive met some nice people on this forum and inperson and im pretty much a similar person in ways in real life. My fiance is aware of this snyper chap, she doesnt quite approve - but she accpets the escapism that it brings.


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 22,584 CMod ✭✭✭✭Steve


    I don't think you've anything to apologise for snyper and I don't think anyone who 'gets' boards would think differently - it's all banter amongst online mates who share a common interest - posting on an internet forum and having a bit of a laugh the odd time. There'll always be character associations - you, the flutt and his 'steamers', pighead, wibbs and his way with the wimminz, the list is endless - point is we're all like barflies down the local and there's nothing wrong with that.

    Karoma's answer to this, in my opinion, has never been topped (when responding to an old school AH dispute):

    "Some peoples knickers are far too twisted, the rest need to twist them some more."

    Personally, I can see the lighter side of most things - dishonesty and plain downright insults are probably the only things that will wind me up
    The high moral ground, politically correct brigade who don't know what it's like to have lived through a full blown recession and what's in store for us have my pity. They really don't understand the importance of and the escape that a bit of honest banter and humorous relief that can bring.

    Yes, unfortunately I'm old enough to know all that.

    Better stop now.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,392 ✭✭✭TequilaMockingBird


    We've all got issues Synper, you, Terry and I have some crackin' ones, but you're way of coping is to joke in a way I, and it seems Terry, find really offensive.

    That's all.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,215 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Terry wrote: »
    For those who find it humourous, I worry for you and the fate of your children.
    You people sicken me.
    Ok, finding such humour offensive is one thing - I can understand that (even if I sometimes find paedophilia jokes funny, as in the ones that poke fun at/attack abusers or media hysteria) but that comment... surely you don't really mean it? And I just think Pedobear is an hilarious looking image, nothing more.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,315 ✭✭✭Jazzy




  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 34,942 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    And I thought "Pedo" was a latin prefix meaning "Feet".

    'Pedes' is latin for feet, but as -phile is a Greek suffix I suppose 'podophile' would be a foot fetishist?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,496 ✭✭✭Mr. Presentable


    'Pedes' is latin for feet, but as -phile is a Greek suffix I suppose 'podophile' would be a foot fetishist?

    "feetishist"?


  • Registered Users Posts: 81,133 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    "feetishist"?
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  • Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    Freedom of speech is the freedom to say things that other people find offensive or repugnant. Its ALSO the freedom to say "I think thats offensive and I would prefer if you didnt do that".

    What its NOT is the right to insist on your point of view being made "law" so to speak.

    I dont find the Paedobear thing particularly funny. I dont think it people should really joke about it, BUT I do think they should be allowed to.

    Its the difference between "can" and "should". An understanding which is sorely lacking in modern Ireland.

    "You *Can* say X.... but imho, you shouldn't".

    DeV.

    ps: We have the Nein 11 forum for this sort of humour too....


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,033 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    snyper wrote: »
    i just noticed my last post seems to have disappeared..or most of it? i think it may have been me trying to edit a spelling using a portable internet (m.boards)

    is there any way i can retrieve it to the pre edit screw up?

    An admin should be able to get it for you.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 79 ✭✭Carl.Gustav


    snyper wrote: »
    You are wrong im afraid terry on many assumptions. However if you want to become personal about it you, yourself have a reputation of posting threads on boards while drunk, and boasting / insinuating that you are an alcoholic,so perhaps you might forgive me if i too dont take your opinion too seriously.

    You might assume that because your complaint is being received with little interest that we are either all paedophiles, or perhaps you are just being a dick

    If this post of mine is subject to a ban i shall accpet it. However on my time here on boards i dont think ive been insulted quite as much.
    I think most right thinking people would know me better - regardless of jokes or comments in certain forums, however i might have to accept that i may have over estimated you intelligence.

    The arguement you have is one thing, and you are well entitled to hold it. It however stops being valid when you dont use your head and decide for what ever reason to make this a personal vendetta against myself.

    Since i joined i have not received as much as a warning for any of these "jokes", furthermore of all the members that have read them over the years i have yet to receive a single pm or negative remark, as i will assume they were taken at face value as a joke and in context.

    Im disappointed to be honest terry, i like you, but after your last little outburst - no

    I don't spend much time on boards, I've browsed now and then being Irish, as a non involved third party if I may call myself such I'll give my opinion.

    Snyper craves attention, and not having the wherewithal to achieve this through constructive input he attempts to do so by being extreme,

    he will joke about rape and child molestation etc.

    He is the child in the playground who will eat worms and smear himself with dog excrement to amuse his peers, sure we all point our fingers and laugh but we laugh at him not with him. We aren't validating his world view we are just laughing at the clown.

    I am sure that is all there is to it, and no doubt the vast majority will see it as such, however once you associate yourself with a certain viewpoint you can't rid yourself of it, at least not in a very public forum such as this.

    Snyper's services as a child minder if ever advertised here would not find themselves in great demand.


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