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UFC/MMA etc crossover Thread *Spoilers for latest show*

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  • #842
    Chain Smoker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,484 ✭✭✭Chain Smoker


    suspending lesnar for several weeks where he didn't need to be around anyway would have done nothing other than bring attention to how dodgy that reigns suspension over the past month was


  • #843
    ERG89
    Registered Users Posts: 11,611 ✭✭✭✭ERG89


    Monokne wrote: »
    It's been confirmed by WWE to Meltzer that there will be no suspension.

    Put bluntly, I don't really see a need to suspend him either. You could easily have done a 30 day one but it would have been a PR move given he goes 90 days without working for them at a time anyway. And more pertinently, it's not like he was caught with dianabol in his system, or even a street drug like cocaine. It's clomid. It's just an estrogen blocker. In a vacuum, it isn't a big deal. I am aware it means he probably was on something at some point, but without the smoking gun, I don't see suspending him. He's not competing in a sport, he's putting on a performance. I could give two f*cks whether he happens to be using clomid.

    There is no probably its obvious why an athlete takes estrogen blockers, same reason Jon Jones took them and Chael Sonnen before him. But the wwe don't care about the wellness policy unless something very bad happens on their watch essentially. Its shown up that a WWE talent tested independently for a month can't even pass the required tests. But there is no point on banning Lesnar when I doubt wwe even test him


  • #844
    Monokne
    Registered Users Posts: 3,929 ✭✭✭Monokne


    USADA tested Lesnar 8 times in a month. Even the contracted talent that WWE does test are only down to be tested 4 times a year. That means IF Lesnar is being tested by WWE (and I have no idea if he is), he's passed 4 of their tests a year, but passed 6 of USADA's in a month. Testing is an inexact science because of how the body secretes chemicals and you have to work hard to catch most substances.


    My sense is that people see it as a redundant comparison anyway. USADA is trying to stop people cheating in a cage fight. WWE is doing PR and trying to prolong guys lives. Completely different aims. While it's clear there is still use, the WWE generation since 2007 haven't seen anywhere close to the volume of enlarged heart death's as the prior generation, and you NEVER hear about WWE guys all soma'd up unconscious in the locker room or at the bar. Whatever their reason for doing it, their policy has made a tangible difference for the better.


  • #845
    Monokne
    Registered Users Posts: 3,929 ✭✭✭Monokne


    http://www.tmz.com/2016/07/26/brock-lesnar-no-wwe-punishment-for-failed-ufc-drug-tests/

    WWE feeds TMZ info, so this is accurate. No suspension.

    Also of note, they acknowledge that as he is not a regular performer, Lesnar is not tested.


  • #846
    Agent Coulson
    Registered Users Posts: 60,279 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Lesnar really should have been "Roiding" up for the previous year while in the WWE since he isn't tested he would then have a few months to get it out of his system before resigning with the UFC which was always going to happen at some stage instead of leaving it till a few months before a fight.



    Or maybe he was doing it all along anyway.


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  • #847
    Ageyev
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭Ageyev


    The recent revelations just show up their policy as an even bigger joke. Brock's contract prohibits him from being tested and suspended. Full-time or part-time, the policy is used as a disciplinary measure - see CM Punk's comment about only taking a test if Triple H took one.


  • #848
    ERG89
    Registered Users Posts: 11,611 ✭✭✭✭ERG89


    Ageyev wrote: »
    The recent revelations just show up their policy as an even bigger joke. Brock's contract prohibits him from being tested and suspended. Full-time or part-time, the policy is used as a disciplinary measure - see CM Punk's comment about only taking a test if Triple H took one.

    That was Scott Steiner who said that no?
    The policy is a joke as there are clearly full time guys who fail the "smell test" so to speak.


  • #849
    Ageyev
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭Ageyev


    ERG89 wrote: »
    That was Scott Steiner who said that no?
    The policy is a joke as there are clearly full time guys who fail the "smell test" so to speak.

    Punk said it in the Colt Cabana podcast. It was the night he walked out iirc


  • #850
    Monokne
    Registered Users Posts: 3,929 ✭✭✭Monokne


    Ageyev wrote: »
    The recent revelations just show up their policy as an even bigger joke. Brock's contract prohibits him from being tested and suspended. Full-time or part-time, the policy is used as a disciplinary measure - see CM Punk's comment about only taking a test if Triple H took one.

    They took the title off and suspended their top guy who they have been VEHEMENTLY and STUBBORNLY pushing down the publics throats for 2.5 years. I don't believe anyone would suggest their drug testing is to the level of UFC (nor do I think anyone would suggest it should be, for that matter) but clearly there is some legitimacy to it.

    You do not hear of stories about guys all soma'd up passing out on airplanes and ending up in rehab that you did a decade ago, and there's been a noticeable decline in 'wrestler deaths' (enlarged heart, OD, etc) amongst the generation of talent who came around post Benoit.

    It's a multi faceted issue. Clearly there are performers who WWE looks the other way on, and clearly there are some people using things. But also clearly, the policy has done some good, and they have not been afraid to honour it even when it impacts their guy in the most awkward of circumstances.


  • #851
    Ageyev
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭Ageyev


    Agent Coulson wrote: »
    Lesnar really should have been "Roiding" up for the previous year while in the WWE since he isn't tested he would then have a few months to get it out of his system before resigning with the UFC which was always going to happen at some stage instead of leaving it till a few months before a fight.



    Or maybe he was doing it all along anyway.

    He was stung for
    hydroxy clomiphene     which blocks your body's estrogen - newsflash: men produce estrogen and women also have testosterone.

    How it works: http://www.maledoc.com/blog/2010/04/28/how-clomid-works-in-men/


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  • #852
    Monokne
    Registered Users Posts: 3,929 ✭✭✭Monokne


    Given that he popped for Clomid, it is a reasonable assumption that Brock was cycling off at the time of his UFC fight.


  • #853
    Agent Coulson
    Registered Users Posts: 60,279 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    So he got a one year suspension which will be up in July from the UFC and $250,000 fine for the failed drug test and his win was turned into a No Contest.


    Lesnar was paid $2.5m so a fine of 10% of that isn't to bad.


    Hunt is after compensation for it now as well lol.


  • #854
    Monokne
    Registered Users Posts: 3,929 ✭✭✭Monokne


    And that's before his PPV which would've brought him into the $5 mill range.


  • #855
    ERG89
    Registered Users Posts: 11,611 ✭✭✭✭ERG89


    Monokne wrote: »
    And that's before his PPV which would've brought him into the $5 mill range.

    Steroids aren't free though :o


  • #856
    Monokne
    Registered Users Posts: 3,929 ✭✭✭Monokne


    He failed for clomid, not steroids. So you can take another $40 off his purse.


  • #857
    Bounty Hunter
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 22,638 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bounty Hunter


    I guess the main question now is will he fight again ? Most seemed to be saying no due to age before but he would still draw and would you really be shocked if the new UFC tried to bump up numbers / sales with a Brock fight?


  • #858
    Monokne
    Registered Users Posts: 3,929 ✭✭✭Monokne


    I expect he will. He's really not that old in that division. Huge money in him challenging for the title.


  • #859
    Bounty Hunter
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 22,638 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bounty Hunter


    So these are currently rumored....

    Brock vs Jon Jones
    The WWEs 4 Horsewoman vs MMAs 4 Horsewoman (lead by Rhonda)

    At least 1 of those MMA ladies is already officially under the WWEs umbrella and taking part in the May Young Classic while Rousey has been adding fuel to the rumour by talking about a big announcement coming soon while people have suggested that Brian "Spanky" Kendrick has already begun training her.

    Brock meanwhile is obviously the current Universal champ but having been called out by Jones after his last fight talk of his UFC return even if its just for one last big payday is def not going to die down

    Of course we are getting Ireland's Conor McGregor vs former Wrestlemania Man Money Mayweather and even though that's not too Wrestling related this might be the place as I feel we may need a place to discuss that too


  • #860
    Mellor
    Registered Users Posts: 39,020 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Bounty Hunter wrote: »
    Brock meanwhile is obviously the current Universal champ but having been called out by Jones after his last fight talk of his UFC return even if its just for one last big payday is def not going to die down

    Brock is banned from MMA for failing a drugs test


  • #861
    Tinie
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,402 ✭✭✭Tinie


    Mellor wrote: »
    Brock is banned from MMA for failing a drugs test

    Suspended more so.


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  • #862
    Agent Coulson
    Registered Users Posts: 60,279 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Brock's one year ban ended last month didn't it?

    The ban was one year from the Hunt fight which was in July of 2016.


    He now needs a couple of months to get into UFC fight shape.


  • #863
    Mellor
    Registered Users Posts: 39,020 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Tinie wrote: »
    Suspended more so.
    He officially retired to avoid the suspension. So he's banned until he completes the suspension.
    "Suspended indefinitely" if you prefer. But the implication is the same.
    Agent Coulson wrote: »
    Brock's one year ban ended last month didn't it?
    Nope. As above he's out indefinitely.
    The ban was one year from the Hunt fight which was in July of 2016.
    It was, but then he "retired" - which conveniently removes whereabouts and drug testing requirements - so he won't get licensed until he comes back and serves the ban.


  • #864
    Bounty Hunter
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 22,638 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bounty Hunter


    Brock is back in the usada testing pool and will be facing the new heavyweight champion Daniel Cormier at an unnamed date after his appearance yesterday post Stiepe/DC.


  • #865
    Agent Coulson
    Registered Users Posts: 60,279 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Bounty Hunter wrote: »
    Brock is back in the usada testing pool and will be facing the new heavyweight champion Daniel Cormier at an unnamed date after his appearance yesterday post Stiepe/DC.

    But now that he has unretired and made is comeback he has to serve his one year ban according the post just above yours?


  • #866
    Loughc
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 24,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭Loughc


    Lads that was the most WWE ending to a UFC ppv ever.

    D.C. calling out Brock. Brock pushing him the duelling promos the crowd reactions. Couldn’t have been anymore staged.


  • #867
    Mellor
    Registered Users Posts: 39,020 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Agent Coulson wrote: »
    But now that he has unretired and made is comeback he has to serve his one year ban according the post just above yours?
    I said serves his ban. Not serves his 1 year ban.
    He has already completed 6 or 7 months, only needs to serve the remainder.


  • #868
    johnnyryan89
    Registered Users Posts: 8,721 ✭✭✭johnnyryan89


    Agent Coulson wrote: »
    But now that he has unretired and made is comeback he has to serve his one year ban according the post just above yours?

    Yes he's got like 5 or 6 months left on his ban to serve. The size difference between DC and Brock is huge, still think DC who can now be considered the goat will take Brock and retire champ champ. What's the odds of DC showing up in WWE given he's a big wrestling fan?


  • #869
    raze_them_all_
    Registered Users Posts: 6,744 ✭✭✭raze_them_all_


    johnnyryan89 wrote: »
    Yes he's got like 5 or 6 months left on his ban to serve. The size difference between DC and Brock is huge, still think DC who can now be considered the goat will take Brock and retire champ champ. What's the odds of DC showing up in WWE given he's a big wrestling fan?

    Cormier isn't the goat. Sorry to not pick but no chance is he the goat


  • #870
    riffmongous
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,624 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    raze_them_all_ wrote: »
    Cormier isn't the goat. Sorry to not pick but no chance is he the goat

    Who's better who doesn't have a drugs record? :P

    I don't mind the fight but I do not like the idea of Brock fighting for the belt, that's far more insulting to the sport than any amount of scripted promos imo. Make the fight by all means (DC will win handy anyway), but have it 'superheavyweight' or something


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  • #871
    raze_them_all_
    Registered Users Posts: 6,744 ✭✭✭raze_them_all_


    riffmongous wrote: »
    Who's better who doesn't have a drugs record? :P

    I don't mind the fight but I do not like the idea of Brock fighting for the belt, that's far more insulting to the sport than any amount of scripted promos imo. Make the fight by all means (DC will win handy anyway), but have it 'superheavyweight' or something

    Gsp


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